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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2016 23:10:11 GMT
Hey everyone,
What if....Doctor Who ended in 1966? No regeneration, no Galifery, no Time Lords. No Doctor other then the mysterious crakenteous old man. How would you resolve the threads of the show (The Doctor's race, The Doctor's mysterious past, Susan, The Daleks?)?
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Post by jasonward on Aug 29, 2016 0:15:37 GMT
I'm not sure what there is to resolve, the show would have largely been forgotten, special but to a very few and none of us would be here now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2016 3:51:49 GMT
I'm not sure what there is to resolve, the show would have largely been forgotten, special but to a very few and none of us would be here now.
Well, there's the small matter of The Doctor returning to Susan, why did he and Susan leave Galifery, his people, etc? Things which may or may not have been brought up if the series had ended in 1966.
It'd be sad, but this is just a creative exercise. There are shadows, but there is light. We live in the brightest timeline, Jason. WE ARE LUCKY
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2016 12:32:35 GMT
The show might have gotten a second wind a la Thunderbirds in the 1990s and kicked off a revival like Sympathy for the Devil. Otherwise, I think it would have stayed a fringe classic like Quatermass or Space: 1999.
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Post by relativetime on Aug 29, 2016 18:30:18 GMT
I reckon the show would be left open ended with hopes of one day continuing the series, but without the regeneration, I think it's pretty likely that any revival or continuation would only cast an older actor in the role. That is, if the show isn't rebooted with a younger actor in the role. Inevitably, in this alternate reality, I'm pretty sure it would be exploited for name recognition, whether by Hollywood or the BBC.
I could actually see the original idea of the Doctor being basically a time agent becoming the new canon. At the very least, if there are Time Lords, they wouldn't have the same abilities they'd have if the show had continued.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Aug 30, 2016 12:59:13 GMT
I wouldn't have resolved anything, I'd have just left the Doctor a mystery. The final story would be the first Doctor returning to 1966 London, where he reunites with Ian and Barbara. They tell him how much they have improved as people since they met him and he tells them that they left him a changed man also. Over the course of the story Ben and Polly become a couple; their wedding takes place at the end of the four part serial.
The Daleks return with a captive: Susan Foreman. They tell the Doctor their plan to exploit her mind for knowledge of the TARDIS's mechanics. A machine as powerful as the TARDIS could grant the Daleks endless power over the universe making them truly the supreme beings. The Doctor rescues Susan and he, Ian, Barbara, Ben and Polly end up on the run from the Daleks in the streets of London. They try to leave in the TARDIS but the machine locks its doors, refusing to let them in. Not even the Doctor's keys in the lock will open them. In part four the Daleks have Susan attached to a machine probing her mind for TARDIS knowledge. Fortunately the Doctor manages to disable the machine by cutting wires through a machine hatch with a pair of wire cutters and with help from Susan Ian turns off the static electricity with the controls in the Dalek saucer (meaning the Daleks are unable to move) and starts the saucer's engines. The Dalek saucer leaves Earth.
The TARDIS has now unlocked its doors and the Doctor and Susan enter. Ben and Polly invite the pair as well as Ian and Barbara to their wedding. After the wedding, the TARDIS leaves for the final time (Doctor and Susan onboard) as Ian, Barbara, Ben and Polly wave goodbye.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 6:05:13 GMT
As a series that HAD already seen Dalekmania run wild, it would have been remade at some point. Someone would have taken a punt on it. It had already proven to be a commercial success once.
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Post by kalendorf on Sept 24, 2016 3:00:49 GMT
To be honest if it ended on The Daleks' Masterplan episode 12, that'd have been a damn good finish for the series. The Doctor's last reckoning with the Daleks and making sure they're never a threat to Earth again.
Although I personally might've changed it so that Sara Kingdom survived.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2016 6:18:20 GMT
To be honest if it ended on The Daleks' Masterplan episode 12, that'd have been a damn good finish for the series. The Doctor's last reckoning with the Daleks and making sure they're never a threat to Earth again. Although I personally might've changed it so that Sara Kingdom survived. Especially if they'd redone it to put some of the Massacre episode 4 at the end. Sara dies. Stephen demands the Doctor let's him off at the next stop. We get that wonderful console room scene. Cut to outside. Stephen comes running back, but the TARDIS fades out of sight before he gets there. The Doctor is going home.
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Post by Ela on Sept 25, 2016 15:06:19 GMT
If Doctor Who had ended in 1966, it's unlikely we would be sitting here talking about it now. Nor would we have the many books, comics, and audio stories that many of us enjoy.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Sept 25, 2016 15:35:38 GMT
I heard that they actually wanted to continue the series without Hartnell by casting a different actor. Supposedly Hartnell himself didn't want anyone to play the role the same way he did, though, he said the only actor good enough for the role was someone called Patrick Troughton (who I think had been Robin Hood previously) despite being too short and looking nothing like him. Mind you, a series with Troughton wouldn't have been such a disaster as the role he did take up. Troughton teamed up with Johnny Speight on a dreadful misguided sitcom called "Curry and Chips". Speight thought a white actor blacking up as an Indian would say something about racial attitudes; Troughton just thought if he looked different on TV to how he did in real life nobody would recognise him on the street.
I suppose there's a chance that if "Doctor Who" had carried on, Terry Nation wouldn't have been able to sell the Dalek TV series in America (although the Dalek/Mechanoid movie would surely still have happened regardless), and the 1970 revival of "Quatermass" probably wouldn't have happened either, since there would already have been a sci-fi show on the BBC.
I can't find it online now, but I remember seeing an article a year or so ago speculating who would have played the Doctor if the series had carried on, first Troughton and then others. There were some really stupid ideas; mostly comedy actors, for some reason. There was Jon Pertwee, for heaven's sake; would he have insisted on playing multiple parts, like on radio? Then there was Peter Davison, who did a load of sitcoms in the 1980s. And that guy in drag from "Rab C Nesbitt". I think it's lucky, all things considered, that we missed out.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Sept 25, 2016 15:38:14 GMT
(Of course, in the real world, "Curry and Chips" featured Spike Milligan. Troughton did, however, get quoted as saying he wanted to play the Doctor in blackface to maintain personal privacy. They did consider replacing "Doctor Who" with "Quatermass" for 1970. David Tennant did indeed play Davina in "Rab C Nesbitt". There wasn't a third Dalek film, no matter who trailers on Youtube say)
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Post by acousticwolf on Sept 25, 2016 19:05:21 GMT
Big Finish probably wouldn't exist Cheers Tony ... Oh, and it would be awfully quiet around here...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 4:44:33 GMT
... Oh, and it would be awfully quiet around here... A silence as profound as when the whale swallowed Jonah. I think we're a fortunate fandom in that our favourite programme got a new lease of life in more ways than one. (Of course, in the real world, "Curry and Chips" featured Spike Milligan. Troughton did, however, get quoted as saying he wanted to play the Doctor in blackface to maintain personal privacy. They did consider replacing "Doctor Who" with "Quatermass" for 1970. David Tennant did indeed play Davina in "Rab C Nesbitt". There wasn't a third Dalek film, no matter who trailers on Youtube say) Actually, it's curious to think that Doctor Who may have perished in the 1960s, but the Daleks lived on and got their own set of films in the 1970s following a loose connected series of adventures featuring David Kingdom of the Space Security Service. Maybe the success of Mission: Survival featuring Kingdom's struggle against the evil creatures on and beneath the surface of Destinus would have lead to an anthology television series called Destination: Daleks! following the exploits of the cyborgs and those subjugated under their rule. Notably, the programme would recount several unreliably narrated tales that speculated upon the Daleks' origins framed by scientists, artists, historians and politicians from all races, species and creeds. Even the Daleks themselves would attempt to pool together the collective archives of all the conquered races who ever even glimpsed at Skaro in order to uncover their true history, culminating in a serial written by Nation himself called Genesis of Evil. Directed by David Wise of I, Claudius fame, it featured the debut of the crippled gene scientist -- Davros -- who created the biomechanical monstrosities and an unusual appearance from time travellers masquerading as Mutos who have been sent to document (and secretly prevent) the rise of the Dalek race. Long time historical fans would debate endlessly over the connection between the unidentified stranger credited only as "Traveller 1" and the character of the Doctor from the Daleks' maiden series.
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