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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2016 23:14:22 GMT
Hey everyone,
The BBC nearly ended the revival in 2009, theorising that any future actor in the role could never match David Teannet. What if the revival had ended in 2009? How would you resolve the narrative of the era - the tale of the broken warrior trying to be a good man, The Doctor, once more, leaving the story of Doctor Who to be picked up once more by a future showrunner?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2016 3:47:49 GMT
If you went by the Revelation of the Daleks, "I'll take you to B--" method of leaving the season open-ended, you could have ended the episode as the Tenth Doctor regenerates with the TARDIS disintegrating around him. The camera pulls out as the room is consumed by fire and the credits roll. Alternatively (and this is the method I prefer personally), you could have had him enter the ship, hit the controls and on January 1, 2005, an innocuous police box vanishes into the quiet of the winter cold. After all the bombast of Murray Gold, we get a full ten seconds of complete silence and then a modified version of the end credits kick in. It starts off with the most recent theme, but by the end its transformed to a remastered version of the old Delia Derbyshire rendition as the BBC Wales logo comes up and we fade out...
As fascinating as it is to consider how the revival could have ended if it had been the projected final end, I'm much more curious about what would have happened immediately afterward. Doubtless, the series would have continued in some other form, the show had attained quite a following by 2009 thanks to the Tennant/Davies production team. I think there would have been a veritable eruption of expanded media focusing on the further adventures of the Tenth Doctor, it's even possible that the New Series Adventures would have transformed into something akin to the New Adventures. However given Davies's fondness for the DWM comic strip run for the Eighth Doctor, we could very well have had an official continuation in comics that took the opportunity that had been denied to them with The Flood and regenerate him into an eleventh iteration we had never seen before. This time round they wouldn't have to jettison their new companion for the sake of continuity and the whole of the cosmos is free for them to explore.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Aug 29, 2016 9:19:44 GMT
Slightly off topic, but I honestly feel that the BBC had no intention to cancel DW. Sure, Tennant was a hit, but the show made a fortune for the BBC. There would have been scaremongering and publicity, but really? Cancel DW?
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Post by jasonward on Aug 29, 2016 11:18:24 GMT
The BBC nearly ended the revival in 2009, theorising that any future actor in the role could never match David Teannet. Total non sequitur. Even if someone had put forward such nonsense I don't believe that it was seriously considered by anyone.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2016 11:29:11 GMT
Slightly off topic, but I honestly feel that the BBC had no intention to cancel DW. Sure, Tennant was a hit, but the show made a fortune for the BBC. There would have been scaremongering and publicity, but really? Cancel DW? It was more that they only signed up to a five year revival under RTD. I'm sure the popularity of it had convinced them to do more long before Tennant announced his departure
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2016 12:05:36 GMT
The BBC nearly ended the revival in 2009, theorising that any future actor in the role could never match David Teannet. Total non sequitur. Even if someone had put forward such nonsense I don't believe that it was seriously considered by anyone. Putting that aside, it nevertheless makes for a very interesting road not travelled. I've heard programmes cancelled for more foolish reasons than "Better go out on a high."
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Post by jasonward on Aug 29, 2016 12:24:08 GMT
I got no issue with going out on a high, most dramas run out of steam at some point, mostly because the original premise has given all the juice it can, or because the original writers who had an idea and a story to tell leave because they've told the story and those that take over try to delivery "more of the same" (but the idea/story ran it's course, there is no more of the same) or "something new" for no good reason consistent with the setting and characters.
Doctor Who overcomes these kinds of issues because of two central conceits of the show, the setting and context can change for every story, the principle actors and characters can change on a regular basis; the show can reinvent itself every 2 to 3 years and one episode/story really doesn't need to have any relation at all to the previous one. Doctor Who is a kind of story tellers sand pit, sure the size of the sand pit is set, and it's filled with sand, but after that, anything goes.
To me, hearing producers/writers say "better go out on a high" is another way of saying "we've done all we wanted to do, anything else would be treading water or worse".
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Post by relativetime on Aug 29, 2016 18:47:09 GMT
Assuming RTD and the crew knew this was the end and that they may never have a chance to do anything else, I would hope The End of Time might end on a more optimistic note, with the Doctor perhaps coming to terms with his regeneration and the audience would either experience the regeneration as normal or the camera would cut away before it could finish.
Other than that, I think the revived series would have been fine to end with The End of Time, despite my disdain for the story. We already had almost all the familiar faces from the past four seasons show up for the Series 4 finale and most of them turned up again for a cameo in TEoT, so the audience already has a lot of closure. Maybe they might add a scene with River Song to the Tenth Doctor's farewell tour, but it wouldn't be missed if it wasn't present and I imagine the novels and comics following the television series' end would eagerly expand upon her - though, given that Big Finish would already be a powerhouse by this point, perhaps the audios would get first dibs.
I'm doubtful this would be the end of Doctor Who's television life, though. I think fan demand would increase and within a couple years, we'd probably have the show back on television and maybe even with a certain Steven Moffat at the helm as well.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Aug 29, 2016 23:24:02 GMT
I would have kept the final episode as The End of Time, only the ending would have seen the tenth Doctor use up his life in his current incarnation to save Gallifrey and the Time Lords from the Time War. As the TARDIS arrives on Gallifrey, the golden regeneration energy can be seen from the TARDIS windows and we hear the Doctor say his body is wearing a bit thin. Then it cuts to silent credits.
In this version of The End of Time the conclusion of the main plot is still the same but Wilfred Mott convinces the Doctor to be the better man and forgive his race for their war crimes rather than to keep them in 'hell'. Wilf urges him to find a way to save them.
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Post by Timelord007 on Aug 30, 2016 6:15:53 GMT
To be honest i haven't enjoyed the show half as much since Tennants departure.
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Post by aztec on Aug 30, 2016 9:54:13 GMT
To be honest i haven't enjoyed the show half as much since Tennants departure. I wasn't a huge fan of the Smith years, but I'm enjoying the Capaldi era immensely (it might just be my favourite era of New Who overall), and frankly I'd rather not think about a 'what if' that meant loosing the three wonderful doctors in Smith, Hurt and Capaldi, I wonder if that would have meant BF still got the New who license eventually? Presumably we'd hear a 8 to 9 regeneration story at some point... I think the suggestion of keeping the end of time, albeit with a more optimistic ending/off screen regeneration would have probably be the right move, though you'd have to wonder if the BBC would ever pick it up again if they viewed only five years as being too popular to match again.
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Post by Timelord007 on Aug 30, 2016 12:26:50 GMT
I like Capaldi but i don't think some the story's he's been given have done his incarnation justice, i was never a fan of Matt Smith, the show became too kid friendly.
If only Malcom Hulke or Robert Holmes were still alive i bet they would've written a awesome Twelfth Doctor story, that's my fantasy wishlist alas never to be.
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Post by icecreamdf on Aug 30, 2016 21:28:39 GMT
the show became too kid friendly. Well, it is a kid's show.
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Post by jasonward on Aug 30, 2016 21:49:42 GMT
the show became too kid friendly. Well, it is a kid's show. Says who? Doctor Who has always been aimed at family viewing, so sure child friendly, but it's funded from the general BBC1 drama budget.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 6:02:05 GMT
I - and here's something I never say - agree 100% with Paul. There's not a snowball's chance in hell that the show was in any danger whatsoever of being cancelled in 2009. The show had just had it's most successful series ever in the ratings. It was THE water cooler show still and Tennant was everywhere on TV in 08/09. No way the Beeb would give up that cash cow.
IF it had ended in 2009...it would have been back within 2 years anyway when the Beeb realised they can't make shows like Robin Hood, Atlantis, The Musketeers or even Merlin (which got closer than most) fill the Who-gap. Who along with Strictly was able to beat Ant & Dec and Simon Cowell's ITV stranglehold on Saturdays. No way either would be off air for too long especially at their pomp.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Aug 31, 2016 13:04:45 GMT
I - and here's something I never say - agree 100% with Paul. There's not a snowball's chance in hell that the show was in any danger whatsoever of being cancelled in 2009. The show had just had it's most successful series ever in the ratings. It was THE water cooler show still and Tennant was everywhere on TV in 08/09. No way the Beeb would give up that cash cow. IF it had ended in 2009...it would have been back within 2 years anyway when the Beeb realised they can't make shows like Robin Hood, Atlantis, The Musketeers or even Merlin (which got closer than most) fill the Who-gap. Who along with Strictly was able to beat Ant & Dec and Simon Cowell's ITV stranglehold on Saturdays. No way either would be off air for too long especially at their pomp. Agreed. I find it mad that the BBC even considered the idea that David Tennant was too popular for the show to continue.
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Post by icecreamdf on Aug 31, 2016 13:24:23 GMT
I think there was always going to be a season after End of Time. They just weren't entirely confident that the ratings would stay strong without David Tennant and RTD, and they thought that season 5 might have to be the last season.
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Post by icecreamdf on Aug 31, 2016 13:25:12 GMT
Well, it is a kid's show. Says who? Doctor Who has always been aimed at family viewing, so sure child friendly, but it's funded from the general BBC1 drama budget. Well either way, it has still always been child friendly.
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Post by Ela on Aug 31, 2016 20:44:25 GMT
Slightly off topic, but I honestly feel that the BBC had no intention to cancel DW. Sure, Tennant was a hit, but the show made a fortune for the BBC. There would have been scaremongering and publicity, but really? Cancel DW? Agreed. I - and here's something I never say - agree 100% with Paul. There's not a snowball's chance in hell that the show was in any danger whatsoever of being cancelled in 2009. The show had just had it's most successful series ever in the ratings. It was THE water cooler show still and Tennant was everywhere on TV in 08/09. No way the Beeb would give up that cash cow. Ha, yes, I rarely agree with Paul, but this is one thing I agree with him on.
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