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Post by dastari on Sept 7, 2016 17:43:48 GMT
Discussion thread for the Companion Chronicle, The Flames of Cadiz.
This is a reissue of the previous thread, since I learned that I'm not allowed to post reviews to this forum.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Sept 8, 2016 8:52:04 GMT
Must give this one a relisten, however Genesis Chamber is currently at the top of the listening pile.
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Post by relativetime on Sept 8, 2016 14:26:23 GMT
I've only listened to this one once, but I remember thinking this really felt like two separate stories. That's not a bad thing for this release - just an observation I had. I like a lot of the ideas this story had - Ian finding out Sir Francis Drake isn't the hero he imagined, the Spanish Inquisition capturing Ian, etc. I didn't quite fall in love with this story like I did with the Sara Kingdom stories or The Rocket Men stories, but when I get around to giving this story another listen, I'm sure the story will grow on me.
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Post by dastari on Sept 8, 2016 17:31:14 GMT
I've only listened to this one once, but I remember thinking this really felt like two separate stories. That's not a bad thing for this release - just an observation I had. I like a lot of the ideas this story had - Ian finding out Sir Francis Drake isn't the hero he imagined, the Spanish Inquisition capturing Ian, etc. I didn't quite fall in love with this story like I did with the Sara Kingdom stories or The Rocket Men stories, but when I get around to giving this story another listen, I'm sure the story will grow on me. I definitely get the feeling that this was originally a normal CC and then Platt was asked to expand it to a four-parter. The second two episodes do feel tacked on, although there's a little dialog in the first two episodes that seem to foreshadow those developments. Honestly, I feel like the first two episodes were perfect and it all falls apart in the latter 2. Ian was whipped and tortured by the Inquisition meaning that he would have huge welts in his back, but within a few hours he's able to undergo a day's journey on the road? Even if he'd been in perfect health, the fact that Ian would separate himself from the group willingly seems so bafflingly out of character that I just can't see it. It doesn't matter that Drake is a childhood hero. He'd know that it would be difficult if not impossible to find his friends again and he'd put their safety first. Why would he tell them to wait at Don Miguel's house and not in the Ship? In any other story in the first season it was always about "back to the ship" unless it was broken down or they were separated from it for some reason. Then there's Barbara being totally ok with Ian leaving whereas in any other story she'd tell him off for being a fool. Just look at their argument in The Reign of Terror. She wasn't some sap that was so besotted with him that she'd just agree to support whatever he wanted to do because she was in love with him. So, yeah, I feel like the whole story falls apart in the third and fourth episode despite there being some nice ideas. Even the twist about Don Miguel is telegraphed so heavily in the third episode that it's not really a surprised when you find out at the end of the fourth.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Sept 12, 2016 20:28:22 GMT
It felt mean spirited to me. And it astounded me they KNOWING the Inquisition was coming, Nd the ship was nearby they sunny decide to hid in it.
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Post by Timelord007 on Sept 12, 2016 22:19:05 GMT
A decent four part CC, story paced well, solid historical drama, William Russell is amazing in this as Ian Chesterton.
I'd rate it 7/10
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 23:42:28 GMT
I remember having a lot of fun with the first half, but I genuinely don't remember the latter part with Ian. It was an interesting experiment and one that feels as though it was made at the last minute. However, I think overall Platt did a lot better with The Devil's Armada. My advice is to finish up the first two parts and then just stop, it's pretty much complete as a story.
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Post by dastari on Sept 13, 2016 17:12:21 GMT
I remember having a lot of fun with the first half, but I genuinely don't remember the latter part with Ian. It was an interesting experiment and one that feels as though it was made at the last minute. However, I think overall Platt did a lot better with The Devil's Armada. My advice is to finish up the first two parts and then just stop, it's pretty much complete as a story. The only problem with that is that you don't see the resolution to the episode 2 cliffhanger when Ian and the Doctor are about to be executed by the Inquisition. I definitely agree that it's better than The Devil's Armada though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 17:34:52 GMT
Amazed this isn't getting more love, I left it for a long time before listening to it as I couldn't face a four parter historical, but I loved every moment of it.
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Post by dastari on Sept 14, 2016 17:13:22 GMT
Amazed this isn't getting more love, I left it for a long time before listening to it as I couldn't face a four parter historical, but I loved every moment of it. Don't get me wrong. There are some great things about it. I loved the character of Esteban and Nabil Elouahabi did an excellent job playing him, but the entire second half of the story is so dependent on Ian doing something colossally out of character that I just can't get over it. That's the same point that the other regulars start acting out of character as well and it snaps me right out of the "reality" of the story.
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Post by elkawho on Sept 15, 2016 17:45:50 GMT
I have absolutely no memory of this story. I guess I should have another listen.
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Post by Zagreus on Sept 16, 2016 15:42:22 GMT
I have absolutely no memory of this story. I guess I should have another listen. Ditto. I recall that, around time of release, I kept getting this one confused with Library of Alexandria, which I adore, but I've only got vague memories of this one. It's checked off on my lists as having been listened to, but I should probably give it another go.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2016 18:29:48 GMT
I have absolutely no memory of this story. I guess I should have another listen. Ditto. I recall that, around time of release, I kept getting this one confused with Library of Alexandria, which I adore, but I've only got vague memories of this one. It's checked off on my lists as having been listened to, but I should probably give it another go. Interestingly Libraries of Alexandria is why I didn't listen to this one for so long, because I really wasn't struck by Libraries.
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Post by Star Platinum on Apr 9, 2022 0:03:45 GMT
I just relistened to this story the other day, it's been a number of years since I'd last heard it.
It's really easy to forget just how good William Russell is as Ian. While this is another "Ian must suffer!" story (I swear, Big Finish has turned him into Doctor Who's Chief O'Brien!) William Russell reads it so well that he just sweeps you up into the story. It's a shame that him and Carole Ann Ford don't share much screen time in this story.
I have to agree that this story does feel a little stretched with it's back half. The Spanish inquisition half is very well paced, but it feels like a leap to send ian chasing after Francis Drake right after. (Did any catch any nods to a storm of angels? This is the second time that Marc Platt has written for Francis Drake.)
Over all it's a very good companion chronicle, but given it's pedigree, I wouldn't expect any less.
I'll give this another listen when I reach the Devil's Armada, I'd like to see how well the two stories dovetail.
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