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Post by paulmorris7777 on Sept 14, 2016 13:13:29 GMT
I'd also like Patrick Stewart as The Monk That brings back memories. Remember when even Wikipedia reported that as being a feature in Tenant´s fourth series? No. I'd avoid stunt casting. It would be extremely doubtful the actor would refurn for a rematch.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Sept 14, 2016 13:20:06 GMT
That brings back memories. Remember when even Wikipedia reported that as being a feature in Tenant´s fourth series? No. I'd avoid stunt casting. It would be extremely doubtful the actor would refurn for a rematch. Which is fair enough, Thats how you'd run it. For me if i ran the show i would have him in and make him the Season Big Bad or something. As he just exudes those qualities and moments that The Monk should have post Time War for me
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Sept 14, 2016 13:34:18 GMT
We'd also go back to not paying so much attention to companion lives, and focusing on the travels. Impact of travels on character development of course would be looked at, but I wouldn't spend a season on bloody Boyfriend Problems. I think this would be a mistake. Seeing the companions' lives is important for that essential 'human' element and generally allows for great characterisation.
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Post by constonks on Sept 14, 2016 13:55:13 GMT
Hm. I think that could work if you just make it a writer's room. A good mix of Major Who Fans, Folks Who Watched Once or Twice and Total Strangers. All of them good writers, all submitting scripts. I heard Chibnall may be bringing in a writers room anyway, so this could be the future anyway Yes, I heard that rumour and I want in
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Sept 14, 2016 23:04:42 GMT
I heard Chibnall may be bringing in a writers room anyway, so this could be the future anyway Yes, I heard that rumour and I want in Just to clarify, a writers room and the suggestion of a viewer-fan combo are not quite the same thing. A writer´s room is, well, what it sounds like: one big meeting for everyone to bounce ideas and get stuck in, as well as actually be permitted to do that. There´s a ton of legal red tape as to why you can´t have joe public in there, concerning IP, copyright and who did what that´s much harder to keep track of if you´re not represented or covered. And you couldn´t just have them sign waivers because, again, ideas. If it sounds convoluted... it kinda is. That's why the Beeb doesn't have open submissions like in Old Who's time anymore.
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Post by constonks on Sept 15, 2016 0:26:21 GMT
Yes, I heard that rumour and I want in Just to clarify, a writers room and the suggestion of a viewer-fan combo are not quite the same thing. A writer´s room is, well, what it sounds like: one big meeting for everyone to bounce ideas and get stuck in, as well as actually be permitted to do that. There´s a ton of legal red tape as to why you can´t have joe public in there, concerning IP, copyright and who did what that´s much harder to keep track of if you´re not represented or covered. And you couldn´t just have them sign waivers because, again, ideas. If it sounds convoluted... it kinda is. That's why the Beeb doesn't have open submissions like in Old Who's time anymore. Absolutely. I'm saying the closest thing you could get to that suggestion of a "fan council" is to make sure some of your actual on-staff writers are invested in the show in that way, then put 'em in a room together and write the show. I wasn't saying I wanted in as a fan. I was saying I wanted into a Doctor Who writers' room as a writer.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Sept 15, 2016 12:32:25 GMT
We'd also go back to not paying so much attention to companion lives, and focusing on the travels. Impact of travels on character development of course would be looked at, but I wouldn't spend a season on bloody Boyfriend Problems. I think this would be a mistake. Seeing the companions' lives is important for that essential 'human' element and generally allows for great characterisation. A companions interactions with new and exiting alien beings, and developing friendships and enemies through dialogue and character development is far better than a companion having a boyfriend/girlfriend, or family. Companions should join the Doctor to get away from family and work.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Sept 15, 2016 12:48:07 GMT
I think this would be a mistake. Seeing the companions' lives is important for that essential 'human' element and generally allows for great characterisation. A companions interactions with new and exiting alien beings, and developing friendships and enemies through dialogue and character development is far better than a companion having a boyfriend/girlfriend, or family. Companions should join the Doctor to get away from family and work. Why would you do that, though? If I were a companion, I'd join for the adventures not to escape my family. It's a time machine, you can go see your family whenever you want - you can keep your family in your life and go on adventures. Besides, having the familial connection allows us to get to know the companion's normal life better.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Sept 15, 2016 12:53:15 GMT
A companions interactions with new and exiting alien beings, and developing friendships and enemies through dialogue and character development is far better than a companion having a boyfriend/girlfriend, or family. Companions should join the Doctor to get away from family and work. Why would you do that, though? If I were a companion, I'd join for the adventures not to escape my family. It's a time machine, you can go see your family whenever you want - you can keep your family in your life and go on adventures. Besides, having the familial connection allows us to get to know the companion's normal life better. You can go see your family once you tire of the Doctor. It is a time machine.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Sept 15, 2016 13:02:24 GMT
Just to clarify, a writers room and the suggestion of a viewer-fan combo are not quite the same thing. A writer´s room is, well, what it sounds like: one big meeting for everyone to bounce ideas and get stuck in, as well as actually be permitted to do that. There´s a ton of legal red tape as to why you can´t have joe public in there, concerning IP, copyright and who did what that´s much harder to keep track of if you´re not represented or covered. And you couldn´t just have them sign waivers because, again, ideas. If it sounds convoluted... it kinda is. That's why the Beeb doesn't have open submissions like in Old Who's time anymore. Absolutely. I'm saying the closest thing you could get to that suggestion of a "fan council" is to make sure some of your actual on-staff writers are invested in the show in that way, then put 'em in a room together and write the show. I wasn't saying I wanted in as a fan. I was saying I wanted into a Doctor Who writers' room as a writer. Same for me. I have so many ideas for Doctor Who, but to be an official member of the writers room would be awesome aand i can discuss these ideas with the other writers for that Season or so. That would be the dream
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Post by constonks on Sept 15, 2016 13:52:20 GMT
I think this would be a mistake. Seeing the companions' lives is important for that essential 'human' element and generally allows for great characterisation. A companions interactions with new and exiting alien beings, and developing friendships and enemies through dialogue and character development is far better than a companion having a boyfriend/girlfriend, or family. Companions should join the Doctor to get away from family and work. Hm. There's a middle ground worth finding here, and I think I'd call it the Season 26 Approach. Some focus on the previous personal life of the companion, but with modern day episodes and companion-at-home episodes kept to a minimum.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Sept 15, 2016 14:25:49 GMT
Why would you do that, though? If I were a companion, I'd join for the adventures not to escape my family. It's a time machine, you can go see your family whenever you want - you can keep your family in your life and go on adventures. Besides, having the familial connection allows us to get to know the companion's normal life better. You can go see your family once you tire of the Doctor. It is a time machine. That's nice for the companion's family, isn't it? "Hello, Mum. I'm bored of the Doctor so I thought I'd finally show my face to you instead!"
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Sept 15, 2016 14:40:18 GMT
Oh, and I'd replace Murray Gold.
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Post by coffeeaddict on Sept 15, 2016 14:49:13 GMT
Why would you do that, though? If I were a companion, I'd join for the adventures not to escape my family. It's a time machine, you can go see your family whenever you want - you can keep your family in your life and go on adventures. Besides, having the familial connection allows us to get to know the companion's normal life better. You can go see your family once you tire of the Doctor. It is a time machine. I agree with this in part. I think the show has come to rely too much on the earth ties of the companions - I hated the Clara/Danny stuff. Part of the magic of the original series was in the attempt to get the companions back to earth and the never knowing where the TARDIS would end up.
Like the sonic screwdriver, I think there is too much emphasis put on the earth ties. I don't think it should be tossed out the door, but is should be scaled back.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Sept 15, 2016 17:13:13 GMT
You can go see your family once you tire of the Doctor. It is a time machine. I agree with this in part. I think the show has come to rely too much on the earth ties of the companions - I hated the Clara/Danny stuff. Part of the magic of the original series was in the attempt to get the companions back to earth and the never knowing where the TARDIS would end up.
Like the sonic screwdriver, I think there is too much emphasis put on the earth ties. I don't think it should be tossed out the door, but is should be scaled back.
But it's the return to Present Day Earth that perhaps allows for the brilliant CGI we have come to expect from the series. It could have a major impact on how the show is viewed by the audience if it impacts on the budget for special effects. And there's little point in returning to Present Day Earth if the companion's friends and family aren't featured.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Sept 15, 2016 17:43:23 GMT
I agree with this in part. I think the show has come to rely too much on the earth ties of the companions - I hated the Clara/Danny stuff. Part of the magic of the original series was in the attempt to get the companions back to earth and the never knowing where the TARDIS would end up.
Like the sonic screwdriver, I think there is too much emphasis put on the earth ties. I don't think it should be tossed out the door, but is should be scaled back.
But it's the return to Present Day Earth that perhaps allows for the brilliant CGI we have come to expect from the series. It could have a major impact on how the show is viewed by the audience if it impacts on the budget for special effects. And there's little point in returning to Present Day Earth if the companion's friends and family aren't featured. Funny how Barry Letts wanted to get away from "present day" Earth, whilst Moffat, and fans want to stay on present day Earth. You can still have present day adventures without family.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2016 6:30:06 GMT
Oh, and I'd replace Murray Gold. I'd actually like to shake it up a bit by having a group of different composers come on board as well. Keep Gold for the stories that suit him, but hire other composers and artists for the types of stories that require it.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Sept 16, 2016 7:53:42 GMT
Funny how Barry Letts wanted to get away from "present day" Earth, whilst Moffat, and fans want to stay on present day Earth. You can still have present day adventures without family. That's a good point, Paul. But then budget wasn't as much of an issue then as it is now; now they feel that everything needs to look absolutely top-notch. They can still make it top notch on alien planets and film less on Earth.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Sept 16, 2016 10:25:02 GMT
They can still make it top notch on alien planets and film less on Earth. True enough, but like DB says, less earth will *likely* mean less budget, plus more needing to be spent. But if they went for a series of specials, that wouldn't be a problem! Stop filming abroad would help!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2016 10:26:41 GMT
They can still make it top notch on alien planets and film less on Earth. True enough, but like DB says, less earth will *likely* mean less budget, plus more needing to be spent. But if they went for a series of specials, that wouldn't be a problem! Yeah, unfortunately even in this day and age of nouveau computer-generated imagery, we're still very much restrained by television budget. Doctor Who unfortunately isn't Game of Thrones where over a million dollars is put into each episode, it's still operating on a fairly modest budget that has to be spent wisely wherever it can. Hence my Sherlock/Sharpe/Hornblower formatting idea where it's six films a year rather than thirteen episodes. That said, there's no real reason why you have to make it contemporary day Earth. This is the BBC after all, you just borrow whatever they have next door for their period dramas and use that. There are also locations which you can use to mask the fact you don't have a set like "PK Tech Girl" did for Farscape and for directors a good knowledge of film noir camera techniques would also help to mask the fact that you only have part of your set available for use. There are ways and means, but I think more often than not it would narrow the scope of your stories quite considerably, which ultimately may not necessarily be a bad thing. With sets out of the way, the real issue at that point would be costumes, particularly if it's a period piece.
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