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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Sept 14, 2016 18:27:55 GMT
I know a lot of fans complain that the Weeping Angels aren't scary anymore, so I thought: how could they be made scary again?
Well, here's my answer: a found footage Weeping Angel story.
What could possibly be scarier than an episode where it feels like the Weeping Angels are actually sending people back in time?
My idea is that it would be more like the Blair Witch Project: focusing on the paranoia than jump scares. The Weeping Angels wouldn't show off any new abilities like the neck-breaking or the cherubs. It would be the Weeping Angels back at their core, doing only what they did in Blink with the sending back in time. The fear would come more from how the characters are scared of the Angels, feeling like they're watching them and later, when the main character is sent back in time in the third act, the terror of being somewhere unknown. In this case: another time period.
I imagine it would be Doctor-lite and instead focus on the legend of the Doctor in the same way that Blair Witch is the legend of the witch. There would be hints at other characters beinh future incarnations of the Doctor but nothing revealed. Left a mystery. There would also be a Weeping Angels myth, similar to what was heard in Fallen Angels with the religious movement of the three angels.
What do you think? Could a found footage Weeping Angels story make the Angels scary again?
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Post by relativetime on Sept 14, 2016 18:39:37 GMT
If done well, I think it could be a soaring success. As you said, it can put you in the position of the characters and also add a lot of tension and mystery to the story. The problem is that found footage productions so often walk a fine line between just being lazy and actually being clever. For instance, I see many Blair Witch Project wannabes just shake the camera around a lot or use it purely as an excuse not to spend money on actually making a good production.
I agree that the story should be Doctor-lite, but maybe he's just a mysterious stranger who shows up occasionally and helps the person filming out a few times toward the middle and end, but otherwise stays out of sight. I think the focus instead should be entirely on the Weeping Angels myth, if at all. The less, the better.
Overall, I really like the idea!
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Sept 14, 2016 19:01:16 GMT
If done well, I think it could be a soaring success. As you said, it can put you in the position of the characters and also add a lot of tension and mystery to the story. The problem is that found footage productions so often walk a fine line between just being lazy and actually being clever. For instance, I see many Blair Witch Project wannabes just shake the camera around a lot or use it purely as an excuse not to spend money on actually making a good production. I agree that the story should be Doctor-lite, but maybe he's just a mysterious stranger who shows up occasionally and helps the person filming out a few times toward the middle and end, but otherwise stays out of sight. I think the focus instead should be entirely on the Weeping Angels myth, if at all. The less, the better. Overall, I really like the idea! Thanks. And yeah, I agree in terms of the Weeping Angels myth. It would be great if it revealed as little as possible about how they came to be and the episode brought the mystery/enigma back to the Weeping Angels.
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Post by eldersensorite on Sept 14, 2016 20:55:08 GMT
Eh, I don't think anything could make me like them again.
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Post by Whovitt on Sept 14, 2016 22:41:53 GMT
Found footage is supposed to be as though someone was recording the events with a camera and the camera is found. The only evidence of what happened is supposed to be on the camera. With Weeping Angels this proves a problem, as every time one is captured on camera, that's a new Angel. You can't afford to record the Weeping Angels, and anyone who watches the video back is simply begging to bring a new Angel to life. I'm not sure it would make logical sense to do, though I think the idea certainly had merit
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Post by omega on Sept 14, 2016 22:46:47 GMT
Found footage is supposed to be as though someone was recording the events with a camera and the camera is found. The only evidence of what happened is supposed to be on the camera. With Weeping Angels this proves a problem, as every time one is captured on camera, that's a new Angel. You can't afford to record the Weeping Angels, and anyone who watches the video back is simply begging to bring a new Angel to life. I'm not sure it would make logical sense to do, though I think the idea certainly had merit Don't show any Angels then, just the reactions. Blair Witch Project never showed the titular Witch. Besides, it could be a pack of scavenging Angels like in Blink, rather than the army from Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone.
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Post by Whovitt on Sept 14, 2016 22:50:27 GMT
Found footage is supposed to be as though someone was recording the events with a camera and the camera is found. The only evidence of what happened is supposed to be on the camera. With Weeping Angels this proves a problem, as every time one is captured on camera, that's a new Angel. You can't afford to record the Weeping Angels, and anyone who watches the video back is simply begging to bring a new Angel to life. I'm not sure it would make logical sense to do, though I think the idea certainly had merit Don't show any Angels then, just the reactions. Blair Witch Project never showed the titular Witch. Besides, it could be a pack of scavenging Angels like in Blink, rather than the army from Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone. It's a natural ability of the Angels though, not limited to the ones in The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone. Also, I haven't actually seen the Blair Witch Project, so I didn't know you didn't actually see the antagonist. If that's how the story worked, then I would certainly watch the episode
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Post by xlozdob on Sept 14, 2016 22:53:45 GMT
Found footage is supposed to be as though someone was recording the events with a camera and the camera is found. The only evidence of what happened is supposed to be on the camera. With Weeping Angels this proves a problem, as every time one is captured on camera, that's a new Angel. You can't afford to record the Weeping Angels, and anyone who watches the video back is simply begging to bring a new Angel to life. I'm not sure it would make logical sense to do, though I think the idea certainly had merit Ooh! That made me think of another, crazier idea. What if the Doctor had to deal with the consequences of a found footage video of the angels that's gone viral? It would certainly put him in a very difficult position.
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Post by omega on Sept 14, 2016 22:56:02 GMT
Don't show any Angels then, just the reactions. Blair Witch Project never showed the titular Witch. Besides, it could be a pack of scavenging Angels like in Blink, rather than the army from Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone. It's a natural ability of the Angels though, not limited to the ones in The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone. Also, I haven't actually seen the Blair Witch Project, so I didn't know you didn't actually see the antagonist. If that's how the story worked, then I would certainly watch the episode Due to the low budget nature of the film it's mainly the three characters wandering around in the woods, reactions to things not caught on camera, some 'here's something we prepared earlier' things (pile of stones on the ground) and a creepy abandoned house. Sometimes the scariest things are what is left to your imagination. The Angels Take Manhattan didn't have the image of an Angel becomes an Angel ability, and that was set in New York, which is undoubtedly full of camera phones and security cameras in 2012. And don't forget one of New York's biggest attractions is an Angel, so how many new Angels would that alone seed in people?
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Post by Whovitt on Sept 14, 2016 23:20:33 GMT
It's a natural ability of the Angels though, not limited to the ones in The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone. Also, I haven't actually seen the Blair Witch Project, so I didn't know you didn't actually see the antagonist. If that's how the story worked, then I would certainly watch the episode Due to the low budget nature of the film it's mainly the three characters wandering around in the woods, reactions to things not caught on camera, some 'here's something we prepared earlier' things (pile of stones on the ground) and a creepy abandoned house. Sometimes the scariest things are what is left to your imagination. The Angels Take Manhattan didn't have the image of an Angel becomes an Angel ability, and that was set in New York, which is undoubtedly full of camera phones and security cameras in 2012. And don't forget one of New York's biggest attractions is an Angel, so how many new Angels would that alone seed in people? Every point you're making there are the reasons I don't like The Angels Take Manhattan The point is made that Angels can do this... then they don't.
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Post by omega on Sept 14, 2016 23:31:03 GMT
Due to the low budget nature of the film it's mainly the three characters wandering around in the woods, reactions to things not caught on camera, some 'here's something we prepared earlier' things (pile of stones on the ground) and a creepy abandoned house. Sometimes the scariest things are what is left to your imagination. The Angels Take Manhattan didn't have the image of an Angel becomes an Angel ability, and that was set in New York, which is undoubtedly full of camera phones and security cameras in 2012. And don't forget one of New York's biggest attractions is an Angel, so how many new Angels would that alone seed in people? Every point you're making there are the reasons I don't like The Angels Take Manhattan The point is made that Angels can do this... then they don't. Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone is set on another planet, so maybe that's a subtly different variant of the species. It's possible an Angel needs to be at full strength to create another Angel out of its own image (four or five people between four Angels simply won't cut it). Those episodes are set in the 51st century on another planet, not 20th/21st century Earth so it could be the Angels develop the ability later on as a survival instinct or and adaptation to get more prey. ToA/FaS also has the Angels emit a low level perception filter, preventing everyone from realising that the statues aren't the natives of the planet (failed a head count there) but rather low powered Angels. This is the only time we see them with this ability. If you can't tell that a statue is moving toward you, you're less likely to try escape. Indeed, many of the new abilities exhibited in that story have not been seen elsewhere, such as an individual actually vocalising himself (well, appropriating anothers voice, but still).
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Post by muckypup on Sept 14, 2016 23:37:49 GMT
Found footage, nooooo
They just don't work anymore (and not that well to begin with) Blair witch was almost 20 years ago now. There have been some truly terrible found footage efforts since.
If you want to see a reason this should never be done watch Dyatlov Pass Incident (Devils pass)
I hate to rain on anyone's parade but it just won't work in practice....sorry
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Sept 15, 2016 7:48:21 GMT
Found footage is supposed to be as though someone was recording the events with a camera and the camera is found. The only evidence of what happened is supposed to be on the camera. With Weeping Angels this proves a problem, as every time one is captured on camera, that's a new Angel. You can't afford to record the Weeping Angels, and anyone who watches the video back is simply begging to bring a new Angel to life. I'm not sure it would make logical sense to do, though I think the idea certainly had merit Ooh! That made me think of another, crazier idea. What if the Doctor had to deal with the consequences of a found footage video of the angels that's gone viral? It would certainly put him in a very difficult position. That would be an interesting episode. How would the Doctor persuade the uploader to take it off Youtube?
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Post by Timelord007 on Sept 15, 2016 7:55:27 GMT
Found footage, nooooo They just don't work anymore (and not that well to begin with) Blair witch was almost 20 years ago now. There have been some truly terrible found footage efforts since. If you want to see a reason this should never be done watch Dyatlov Pass Incident (Devils pass) I hate to rain on anyone's parade but it just won't work in practice....sorry I agree with my friends comments, i loathe found footage movies & didn't think it worked last season with sleep no more.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Sept 15, 2016 8:15:41 GMT
Found footage, nooooo They just don't work anymore (and not that well to begin with) Blair witch was almost 20 years ago now. There have been some truly terrible found footage efforts since. If you want to see a reason this should never be done watch Dyatlov Pass Incident (Devils pass) I hate to rain on anyone's parade but it just won't work in practice....sorry I agree with my friends comments, i loathe found footage movies & didn't think it worked last season with sleep no more. I actually loved Sleep No More and I think it would have been better received had they got rid of the random cuts of Doctor Rassmussen talking about what happened at the space station and had the reveal that he was a Sandman happen in the found footage near the end.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Sept 15, 2016 12:18:58 GMT
What do you think? Could a found footage Weeping Angels story make the Angels scary again? Moffat has already produced a found footage episode. And, look how that ended!
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Sept 15, 2016 14:26:58 GMT
What do you think? Could a found footage Weeping Angels story make the Angels scary again? Moffat has already produced a found footage episode. And, look how that ended! Doesn't mean all found-footage episodes would be the same though. Besides, I actually think Sleep No More is great.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Sept 15, 2016 14:56:26 GMT
If approached right. I think your idea could be brilliant.
And in regards to the Photo/Video can create a new Angel, well I'd have an Angel reaching towards the screen at the end before a snap cut to static
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Sept 15, 2016 16:51:26 GMT
If approached right. I think your idea could be brilliant. And in regards to the Photo/Video can create a new Angel, well I'd have an Angel reaching towards the screen at the end before a snap cut to static That would be the most terrifying end to a Doctor Who episode ever.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Sept 16, 2016 10:57:35 GMT
If approached right. I think your idea could be brilliant. And in regards to the Photo/Video can create a new Angel, well I'd have an Angel reaching towards the screen at the end before a snap cut to static That would be the most terrifying end to a Doctor Who episode ever. Exactly . and the natural way to have th Angel moving towards the camera is tiny bits of static, so it gets closer. Then the huge one at the very end
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