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Post by paulmorris7777 on Oct 5, 2016 17:08:04 GMT
Has time frozen in Trap Street, until Clara returns to die? Cause, there are witnesses to her death.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2016 17:31:49 GMT
Has time frozen in Trap Street, until Clara returns to die? Cause, there are witnesses to her death. Sort of. Gallifrey are holding a moment of time frozen that Clara's living in, yet time also continues to flow as normal, and the strain of balancing the two could rip the universe apart, but hey at least.. ehhm, struggling to think of a positive to end on.
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Post by icecreamdf on Oct 6, 2016 0:12:01 GMT
Has time frozen in Trap Street, until Clara returns to die? Cause, there are witnesses to her death. Not exactly. Eventually she will just return to the same moment she left.
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Post by icecreamdf on Oct 6, 2016 0:13:23 GMT
She knows when she is scheduled to die, so she can't visit anyone she knows after her death is suppossed to happen. She has Me and may make new friends, but that doesn't mean she won't miss her old friends. She isn't dead yet, but she will be in a second. That second may last for an eternity, but she is still at the end of her life. If she waits long enough to die, she also might end up like Me did in The Woman Who Lived, and stop caring about people. Well, what I'm getting at, is no she does not know she can't visit anyone she knows after her death is supposed to happen because, on the show's own rules, she has not interacted with a future in which her friends counted her missing as of Face the Raven. As long as she doesn't do that, there is no fixed future requiring her never to appear again after the day she walked into Trap Street. (I could cite a certain BF release on this point....in fact more than one.... but don't want to give a spoiler) Only the aliens on trap street know about her death on that date because they witnessed it. She would have to avoid them if she returned to Earth after that date, but they stay there to remain hidden in a refugee camp. They aren't wandering London. Nobody she knows knows she officially dies at that time and place. If she returns to her home later in the day on the day she entered Trap street, nobody will have even considered her to so much as have gone temporarily missing. She really could go right back to the last time she was in public in London and pick up from there. She could wait until she'd be 40 or 50 (but not aging), then just disappear. Recorded history would be that she "went missing, presumed dead" on a certain day when she was in that age range, and then she could bang around a bit more off-Earth if she wanted, so long as eventually, she makes sure that real unrecorded history - her death - happens at the time and place it is suposed to. Rigsy and Me both know she died. Rigsy even painted a memorial for her, so presumably he told people. Besides, if she goes back home, it would be really easy for the Time Lords to find her and send her to die.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Oct 6, 2016 8:38:09 GMT
Well, what I'm getting at, is no she does not know she can't visit anyone she knows after her death is supposed to happen because, on the show's own rules, she has not interacted with a future in which her friends counted her missing as of Face the Raven. As long as she doesn't do that, there is no fixed future requiring her never to appear again after the day she walked into Trap Street. (I could cite a certain BF release on this point....in fact more than one.... but don't want to give a spoiler) Only the aliens on trap street know about her death on that date because they witnessed it. She would have to avoid them if she returned to Earth after that date, but they stay there to remain hidden in a refugee camp. They aren't wandering London. Nobody she knows knows she officially dies at that time and place. If she returns to her home later in the day on the day she entered Trap street, nobody will have even considered her to so much as have gone temporarily missing. She really could go right back to the last time she was in public in London and pick up from there. She could wait until she'd be 40 or 50 (but not aging), then just disappear. Recorded history would be that she "went missing, presumed dead" on a certain day when she was in that age range, and then she could bang around a bit more off-Earth if she wanted, so long as eventually, she makes sure that real unrecorded history - her death - happens at the time and place it is suposed to. Rigsy and Me both know she died. Rigsy even painted a memorial for her, so presumably he told people. Besides, if she goes back home, it would be really easy for the Time Lords to find her and send her to die. A memorial very few people will have noticed!
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Post by mrperson on Oct 6, 2016 15:25:00 GMT
Well, what I'm getting at, is no she does not know she can't visit anyone she knows after her death is supposed to happen because, on the show's own rules, she has not interacted with a future in which her friends counted her missing as of Face the Raven. As long as she doesn't do that, there is no fixed future requiring her never to appear again after the day she walked into Trap Street. (I could cite a certain BF release on this point....in fact more than one.... but don't want to give a spoiler) Only the aliens on trap street know about her death on that date because they witnessed it. She would have to avoid them if she returned to Earth after that date, but they stay there to remain hidden in a refugee camp. They aren't wandering London. Nobody she knows knows she officially dies at that time and place. If she returns to her home later in the day on the day she entered Trap street, nobody will have even considered her to so much as have gone temporarily missing. She really could go right back to the last time she was in public in London and pick up from there. She could wait until she'd be 40 or 50 (but not aging), then just disappear. Recorded history would be that she "went missing, presumed dead" on a certain day when she was in that age range, and then she could bang around a bit more off-Earth if she wanted, so long as eventually, she makes sure that real unrecorded history - her death - happens at the time and place it is suposed to. Rigsy and Me both know she died. Rigsy even painted a memorial for her, so presumably he told people. Besides, if she goes back home, it would be really easy for the Time Lords to find her and send her to die. She's traveling with Me, so I'm not sure I follow that. OK, so all she has to do is not meet up with Rigsy. Or wait a minute: She could meet up with him and say "a thing happened. I was saved". He already knew the Doctor. Again, the problem as it's been put forth in Who is that if you disappear with the doc in 1980 and then make the mistake of running into a relative/friend in 2010, you will have fixed a future where you were missing for 30 years. You cannot then meet them between 1980 and 2010 without creating a paradox. But if you leave in 1980 and return the next day, it doesn't matter that there were infinite potential futures in which you were missing/dead for various spans of years - you never fixed them by interacting with any of those potential futures. This situation is different. She simply went walking in London one sunny afternoon. Only Rigsy knows she died (apart from aliens who don't leave Trap St.), but Rigsy knows the Doctor can do all sorts of things - she could simply meet up with him later that evening and say it was a hologram/trick, or the Doctor figured something out and saved her. The problem would be if she met Rigsy in 2030, fixing a future where she was dead/unsaved for 14 years, then went back to 2016 and met up with him just post-Trap St. That would create a paradox because the 2030 Rigsy to whom she was dead for 14 years could not have ever existed. Another example: This is why, when eleven tries calling the Brig in the hospice, the knowledge that the Brig died without having seen him and said so to the nurse to whom the doctor was talking (for 30ish years?) fixes that future. He now cannot go back and see him at the earlier date without creating a paradox: If he did go back and see him before dying, then he wouldn't have told the nurse he wished he could see the Doc one more time.....by going back and tyring to see earlier-brig, future-doctor would be nullifying his own past. And that's what's bad.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Oct 11, 2016 6:18:58 GMT
Jim Carrey in Doctor Who, I'd practically go to the set & drag his ass back to America, he ruined Batman Forevet with his campy over the top face pulling hammy acting, he ain't ruining Doctor Who. Great thread this allows one to vent out there anger & frustration, I'm off now to erase the horrific thoughts of said actors in Doctor Who. To be fair, Batman Forever was pretty bad. Nothing worked in that film. I seem to remember bat girl... Oh it was the 90s... Things were different then
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Post by Timelord007 on Oct 11, 2016 7:42:29 GMT
To be fair, Batman Forever was pretty bad. Nothing worked in that film. I seem to remember bat girl... Oh it was the 90s... Things were different then I still have nightmares about Batman & Robin, police now use this film to get criminals to confess there crimes.
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Post by Timelord007 on Oct 11, 2016 7:43:40 GMT
Keep Ricky Gervais away from Doctor Who.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Oct 11, 2016 13:21:49 GMT
Keep Ricky Gervais away from Doctor Who. [obr] And we have a ribbon!
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