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Post by redsharkJason on Oct 22, 2016 6:42:39 GMT
A Class discussion thread for episodes: For Tonight We Might Die (S01E01) and The Coach with the Dragon Tattoo (S01E02). The first 2 stories of Class air back-to-back tomorrow on Saturday. So, having them both explored within the same thread should be appropriate enough. My PVR is locked and loaded on the Space channel for this Doctor Who spin-off main TV event!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2016 8:19:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2016 9:09:22 GMT
The title sequence is cool. Very modern but with swatches of influences from the Who ones. Think there's a glimpse of the time vortex!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2016 9:18:58 GMT
The title sequence is cool. Very modern but with swatches of influences from the Who ones. Think there's a glimpse of the time vortex! I personally thought it was incredibly cringey and badly made.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2016 9:32:36 GMT
You might not like it subjectively, but "badly made" isn't what I'd call it. At all.
Regardless, it's the show itself that's the important part. I think the measure of being quickly wrapped up in this is that, 20 minutes in, when the TARDIS appears in the flashback I was taken aback like I'd forgotten this was a Who spinoff already. I'm loving Katherine Kelly so far. I had no idea that there was more than one alien in the lead cast. I'm not sure that was revealed before broadcast. Wee bit of a shame that it falls back on the "Last Of The ___________" trope but hey. It's tried and tested.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2016 10:00:35 GMT
I've now seen all of the first episode. I just think it was incredibly poor quality. The idea itself is just a rip off of SJA and Torchwood, which isn't a good thing. The characters don't feel like real teenagers. Mrs Quill is just hammy and Over-The-Top villain. The secondary characters just feel paper-thin, but, in fairness, this is the first episode. A lot of the episode is silly padding. Some of it just goes out of its way to be edgy, without any real reason (the bit with the woman in the shop, when she talks about her husband). The Doctor's appearance is very simply a deus ex machina and is just there to make speeches, which is all that Peter Capaldi's Doctor seems to be able to do. Also, his appearance just shows the lack of faith they have in the show succeeding on its own terms. The monsters look exactly like the Pyroviles and the way they work is just the Vashta Nerada. So much for original. It very much feels like it was written on the spot with specific things appearing for one scene only. The plot just goes on and on. Some of the characters are also uncharitably dumb, especially April, of whom doesn't think that she could use the schools fire alarm and goes on stage shouting some tripe about instagram and how they're all dumb. Also, the bits with Tanya's mum saying she can't go to the prom is entirely pointless. If you haven't guessed yet, I wasn't a fan. The episode just doesn't leave a good impression for a first episode, which isn't healthy for the show. However, it could improve. I am going to watch the next episodes, but I have the feeling that this episode will just put people off.
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Post by Tony Jones on Oct 22, 2016 10:01:02 GMT
I enjoyed For Tonight We Might Die... and am going to give it a couple of hours or so before I watch the second. I have some quibbles I will blog about but really a good start and I'm interested to see more
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2016 10:22:50 GMT
I enjoyed For Tonight We Might Die... and am going to give it a couple of hours or so before I watch the second. I have some quibbles I will blog about but really a good start and I'm interested to see more Yep, I'm in the same boat. A few things bugged me. The premise really isn't new, even to Nu-Who, and the scene where characters literally say "So I guess this like Buffy meets Vampire Diaries crossed with Once Upon A Time" was so on the nose it hurt. There will, I think, be complaints about lesser SFX and the cheaper look of the show compared to Who but I think those complaints are a bit amiss. The budget of an online YA show in it's maiden year is clearly not going to be in the same league as the Beeb's flagship drama and most lucrative moneyspinner in the parent show. Not even close. On the whole though, this show lives or dies on whether the leads are likable enough and I'm really interested in pretty much all of them. Miss Quill is not a villain but is a real subversion of the mentor figure we get in this kind of thing. She's somewhat amoral and doesn't care about the humans one bit. It's a nice change from the kindly mentors in the Giles/Gandalf/Obi-Wan mould. I hope she doesn't have too much of an arc and become more human as the show goes on. I like her ambiguity in any given scenario. I had hear the pre-publicity say this was going to be gory and it certainly was. Ram's leg being chopped off was horrendous. I think the best thing I can say about this is that I would have liked it even without The Doctor. It's going to have to do more over the series though, as I kinda feel like we've seen this setup and scenario in various forms. Easy to forget though that "Oh, it's like Buffy" - and that show really is the closest comparison - might be something we think but that show finished 15 years ago. This show's target market were in nappies then, so I think comparisons have to be taken in context as there's a whole younger generation who probably haven't seen Buffy and this won't seem as rehashed to them.
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Post by Tony Jones on Oct 22, 2016 10:27:08 GMT
I enjoyed For Tonight We Might Die... and am going to give it a couple of hours or so before I watch the second. I have some quibbles I will blog about but really a good start and I'm interested to see more Yep, I'm in the same boat. A few things bugged me. The premise really isn't new, even to Nu-Who, and the scene where characters literally say "So I guess this like Buffy meets Vampire Diaries crossed with Once Upon A Time" was so on the nose it hurt. There will, I think, be complaints about lesser SFX and the cheaper look of the show compared to Who but I think those complaints are a bit amiss. The budget of an online YA show in it's maiden year is clearly not going to be in the same league as the Beeb's flagship drama and most lucrative moneyspinner in the parent show. Not even close. On the whole though, this show lives or dies on whether the leads are likable enough and I'm really interested in pretty much all of them. Miss Quill is not a villain but is a real subversion of the mentor figure we get in this kind of thing. She's somewhat amoral and doesn't care about the humans one bit. It's a nice change from the kindly mentors in the Giles/Gandalf/Obi-Wan mould. I hope she doesn't have too much of an arc and become more human as the show goes on. I like her ambiguity in any given scenario. I had hear the pre-publicity say this was going to be gory and it certainly was. Ram's leg being chopped off was horrendous. I think the best thing I can say about this is that I would have liked it even without The Doctor. It's going to have to do more over the series though, as I kinda feel like we've seen this setup and scenario in various forms. Easy to forget though that "Oh, it's like Buffy" - and that show really is the closest comparison - might be something we think but that show finished 15 years ago. This show's target market were in nappies then, so I think comparisons have to be taken in context as there's a whole younger generation who probably haven't seen Buffy and this won't seem as rehashed to them. I think we pretty much agree: redrocketrising.com/2016/10/class-for-tonight-we-might-die-review/
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Post by mark687 on Oct 22, 2016 10:41:09 GMT
Odd not terrible SJA Vibe meets Waterloo Road, characters seem a bit bland, CGI A bit ropey, and shot extremely dark, even daytime scenes are dull. I think only if/when the Doctor turns up again would this be priority viewing.
In short better than nothing but not by much.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2016 10:47:36 GMT
Odd not terrible SJA Vibe meets Waterloo Road, characters seem a bit bland, CGI A bit ropey, and shot extremely dark, even daytime scenes are dull. I think only if/when the Doctor turns up again would this be priority viewing. In short better than nothing but not by much. Regards mark687 It's got schoolkids and drama in it but apart from that I don't see even a superficial connection to Waterloo Road.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2016 10:49:07 GMT
Odd not terrible SJA Vibe meets Waterloo Road, characters seem a bit bland, CGI A bit ropey, and shot extremely dark, even daytime scenes are dull. I think only if/when the Doctor turns up again would this be priority viewing. In short better than nothing but not by much. Regards mark687 It's got schoolkids and drama in it but apart from that I don't see even a superficial connection to Waterloo Road. He was referring to the premise and vibe.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2016 10:59:25 GMT
It's got schoolkids and drama in it but apart from that I don't see even a superficial connection to Waterloo Road. He was referring to the premise and vibe. As am I, thanks. I don't get a vibe of Waterloo Road at all. The premise - other than involving a school - doesn't remind me of it any more than Happy Valley reminds me of The Bill just because there's uniform cops in both. I'd cite something like Misfits as having a vibe much more like this. It hasn't been mentioned in the pre-publicity and the reviews I've read but Misfits' influence is all over this one so far. And there's certainly hints of The Fades and In The Flesh added too.
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Post by mark687 on Oct 22, 2016 11:01:30 GMT
Odd not terrible SJA Vibe meets Waterloo Road, characters seem a bit bland, CGI A bit ropey, and shot extremely dark, even daytime scenes are dull. I think only if/when the Doctor turns up again would this be priority viewing. In short better than nothing but not by much. Regards mark687 It's got schoolkids and drama in it but apart from that I don't see even a superficial connection to Waterloo Road. Home and life choices practically the relationship between Ram and his father and the bisexual triangle that's obviously coming up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2016 11:01:50 GMT
He was referring to the premise and vibe. As am I, thanks. I don't get a vibe of Waterloo Road at all. The premise - other than involving a school - doesn't remind me of it any more than Happy Valley reminds me of The Bill just because there's uniform cops in both. I'd cite something like Misfits as having a vibe much more like this. It hasn't been mentioned in the pre-publicity and the reviews I've read but Misfits' influence is all over this one so far. And there's certainly hints of The Fades and In The Flesh added too. Besides, his point was that he didn't rate the show, if that was the problem, which presumably it was and you were trying to nitpick his criticisms.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2016 11:15:40 GMT
It's got schoolkids and drama in it but apart from that I don't see even a superficial connection to Waterloo Road. Home and life choices practically the relationship between Ram and his father and the bisexual triangle that's obviously coming up.
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Family life and relationships were always going to come up in Class and pretty much any contemporary set drama. I don't think that's particularly evocative of Waterloo Road but I agree with the notion it needs to put a spin on it to keep interest over the course of a whole show because we've seen enough like this already. I too noticed the lighting but I wonder if the darkness is to disguise the limited effects and sets as much as it is a style choice. We'll see over the course of the series when we see episodes by other directors.
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Post by shutupbanks on Oct 22, 2016 12:27:54 GMT
I enjoyed both episodes. I didn't think they were perfect and the effects in the second episode were a little lower than what I've become used to but it was a pretty good way to spend an hour or two.
The first episode was good fun. I thought the relationship between Quill and Charlie was terrific and well-played. Katherine Kelly is easily the best thing in it. As others have said, the whole "Last Of The X" plot is cliched but it was handled well and had a couple of twists that I enjoyed. The rest of the cast were pretty good as well: I was genuinely shocked by what happened to Ram at the end of the first episode and the subplots involving their family and others were interesting. I was pleased to see the arrival of the TARDIS and how the Doctor's reputation played into the history of Charlie and Quill's peoples. I too thought about April using the fire alarm but I'm also willing to invest some belief in the idea that pressure and adrenaline sometimes doesn't make you think of the obvious solution.
Long story short,there were some cliched elements but I found enough originality in it that I was prepared to put on the second episode immediately. It reminded me of Primeval a lot in that we have a team of people assembled to deal with extraordinary situations using largely improvised weapons and strategies. The opening scene put me in mind of the of the very first episode of Buffy as did the setting in general but I think there's enough originality here that Class will soon take on its own identity.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Oct 22, 2016 12:44:02 GMT
It reminded me of Primeval a lot in that we have a team of people assembled to deal with extraordinary situations using largely improvised weapons and strategies. That's a good sign for me then. Loved Primeval. I'm not sure whether to watch it on BBC3 Online or not. I kind of hoped it would be broadcast on BBC1 the Monday after BBC3 Online transmission.
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Post by kimalysong on Oct 22, 2016 13:04:11 GMT
I thought this was going to air in the US today as well but looks like it's 2017. Not sure who decided that but a very dumb decision.
In this day & age why things can't air at the same time all over the world I don't understand. Instead of looking forward to this I will have to worry about spoilers.
And yes I realize I am on the Spoiler thread but I am more worried about Twitter & Tumblr which is a hotbed of spoilers.
Not Class but just the other day I was majorly spoiled for Poldark (where the US is only 3 weeks behind the U.K.) because Radio Times put a spoiler in their article title. So what hope do I have for a series that is months behind.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2016 13:15:48 GMT
I thought this was going to air in the US today as well but looks like it's 2017. Not sure who decided that but a very dumb decision. In this day & age why things can't air at the same time all over the world I don't understand. Instead of looking forward to this I will have to worry about spoilers. In their wisdom, BBC America decided that it would make more sense to air it concurrently with Doctor Who so it won't be on until DW returns in April or so. I think they must have missed the point that this is intentionally being out out during the show's time off air in part to fill the gap somewhat. Putting it on when the parent show returns means that a lot of people will have pursued other means to watch it and, even worse, they won't care in the spring because the "main" show is back. I see no upside at all, honestly, in postponing it for 6 months. Maybe someone else can.
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