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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 14:19:57 GMT
Paul McGann apparently agreed to do NOTD a couple of days before filming began and Moffat was still writing the script on the day, and that turned out OK, evidently having poor planning and terrible time keeping skills are no block on being a sucessful BBC showrunner... Oh, my giddy aunt, I'm surprised it turned out just as well as it did. No wonder there are more than a few holes... Its pretty reasonable to have former actors who have played the Doctor in a 50th Anniversary Special. Not only reasonable, I'd go so far to say it would be expected... well, by us fans anyway. The 'suits' at the BBC are a different kettle of fish altogether though, especially the ones that sign the cheques! Yes... It's not impossible like having a youthful William Russell and Jacqueline Hill back for Hunters of the Burning Stone was. However, I imagine that there would have been a lot of spin-doctoring (no pun intended) involved in having Paul join the cast, even if his role was for something akin to a cameo. You might have been able to gamble on having his appearance sell more obscure merchandise like the TV Movie DVD or introduce NuWho fans to the classic series, but it's difficult to tell what exactly our capricious BBC overlords would expect from such a gimmick. McGann I can understand, but couldn't we have had an appearance by schoolmaster Ian Chesterton? However, fleeting. He and Carole Ann Ford turned up for Adventures in Space and Time, after all. Why not the actual anniversary special? Actually... That gives me an idea... *goes off to start another thread*
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 18, 2016 14:41:44 GMT
And as if we needed further proof of your ignorance... Pretty much every showrunner associated with Who since Syd Newman left has had to answer to a 'suit' and not get something they wanted because of x reason. It has nothing to do with lacking courage, it's about being overridden by a superior who holds the purse strings, as well as the jobs of your entire staff. The reality of any creative form is, sometimes, you don't get a say in how things are done. Its pretty reasonable to have former actors who have played the Doctor in a 50th Anniversary Special. Its especially reasonable to have Paul McGann return, as so many fans wanted him to return. I won't be lowering myself to your level of rudeness! Says the man who has insulted Moffat and the production team on multiple occasions in ways that have nothing to do with honest or fair criticism. The pot. That is all.
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Post by elkawho on Nov 18, 2016 15:29:39 GMT
That's enough boys. Back on topic. Thank you.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 18, 2016 16:42:23 GMT
That's enough boys. Back on topic. Thank you. I suppose, therefore, I shall provide something of a final cap to this matter, and lay this on the table: I am not interested in any sort of online drama, nor in harassing or threatening Morris. As I've said before, he's free to hold whatever views he wishes on the programme and its creative direction. That's his right as a fan and paying consumer. What is not, however, is the spreading of misinformation and hurling of insults towards Moffat and other members of the production staff. Time and again, he has been corrected on matters relating to practices in the British film and TV industry by myself and others, only to ignore anything we've said and then make baseless claims about how the programme is made, with needless attacks on the professionalism of the staff that have nothing to do with story quality. As someone who is working towards a career in this business, and is trying to get projects of his own off the ground, I personally cannot abide by the inaccurate depiction of how things work. For the sake of both younger members, as well as for fans in general, I feel proper information is paramount towards effective discussion of the programme, where it is going and what needs to be done. Members who either don't care about the industry or don't know enough have been wise enough to rein themselves in and express whatever view, positive or negative, within what they do know. I've praised the forum's maturity many times, and will do so again here. Youu guys are a wonderful bunch who have made Who discussion some of the most fun online. The fact is, whatever view anyone may hold of Moffat and his era, and whatever Chibnail does next, we owe it to the hardworking production teams on NuWho, from set designers and FX people, to gaffers, sound recordists and even the teaboy, to at least provide an informed and honest discussion. We can criticize, joke about or praise them, but we are not here to tell them how to do their jobs, or make sweeping claims that aren't quantifiable. Nothing in real life is ever black or white, especially not in the notorious minefield that is media, and making Moffat a cartoon villain won't help the show in any way. If Morris would still like to discuss with me, by all means, message me so we can keep these threads clear of any unneeded hullaballo in the future. Thank you all, and let's get back to discussing S10. -N.O.S
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Nov 18, 2016 16:48:03 GMT
Its pretty reasonable to have former actors who have played the Doctor in a 50th Anniversary Special. Its especially reasonable to have Paul McGann return, as so many fans wanted him to return. I won't be lowering myself to your level of rudeness! Says the man who has insulted Moffat and the production team on multiple occasions in ways that have nothing to do with honest or fair criticism. The pot. That is all. Never insulted anyone here!
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Nov 18, 2016 16:54:11 GMT
Paul McGann apparently agreed to do NOTD a couple of days before filming began and Moffat was still writing the script on the day, and that turned out OK, evidently having poor planning and terrible time keeping skills are no block on being a sucessful BBC showrunner... Oh, my giddy aunt, I'm surprised it turned out just as well as it did. No wonder there are more than a few holes... Not only reasonable, I'd go so far to say it would be expected... well, by us fans anyway. The 'suits' at the BBC are a different kettle of fish altogether though, especially the ones that sign the cheques! Yes... It's not impossible like having a youthful William Russell and Jacqueline Hill back for Hunters of the Burning Stone was. However, I imagine that there would have been a lot of spin-doctoring (no pun intended) involved in having Paul join the cast, even if his role was for something akin to a cameo. You might have been able to gamble on having his appearance sell more obscure merchandise like the TV Movie DVD or introduce NuWho fans to the classic series, but it's difficult to tell what exactly our capricious BBC overlords would expect from such a gimmick. McGann I can understand, but couldn't we have had an appearance by schoolmaster Ian Chesterton? However, fleeting. He and Carole Ann Ford turned up for Adventures in Space and Time, after all. Why not the actual anniversary special? Actually... That gives me an idea... *goes off to start another thread* It shouldn't be about merchandise. Surely, always script.first, merchandise second. Would have loved William Russell returning. Could have done it for Mawdryn Undead, or DOTD, or any time Clara was in school. or in Class. Plenty opportunities - all denied.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 17:46:22 GMT
That's enough boys. Back on topic. Thank you. I suppose, therefore, I shall provide something of a final cap to this matter, and lay this on the table: I am not interested in any sort of online drama, nor in harassing or threatening Morris. As I've said before, he's free to hold whatever views he wishes on the programme and its creative direction. That's his right as a fan and paying consumer. What is not, however, is the spreading of misinformation and hurling of insults towards Moffat and other members of the production staff. Time and again, he has been corrected on matters relating to practices in the British film and TV industry by myself and others, only to ignore anything we've said and then make baseless claims about how the programme is made, with needless attacks on the professionalism of the staff that have nothing to do with story quality. As someone who is working towards a career in this business, and is trying to get projects of his own off the ground, I personally cannot abide by the inaccurate depiction of how things work. For the sake of both younger members, as well as for fans in general, I feel proper information is paramount towards effective discussion of the programme, where it is going and what needs to be done. Members who either don't care about the industry or don't know enough have been wise enough to rein themselves in and express whatever view, positive or negative, within what they do know. I've praised the forum's maturity many times, and will do so again here. Youu guys are a wonderful bunch who have made Who discussion some of the most fun online. The fact is, whatever view anyone may hold of Moffat and his era, and whatever Chibnail does next, we owe it to the hardworking production teams on NuWho, from set designers and FX people, to gaffers, sound recordists and even the teaboy, to at least provide an informed and honest discussion. We can criticize, joke about or praise them, but we are not here to tell them how to do their jobs, or make sweeping claims that aren't quantifiable. Nothing in real life is ever black or white, especially not in the notorious minefield that is media, and making Moffat a cartoon villain won't help the show in any way. If Morris would still like to discuss with me, by all means, message me so we can keep these threads clear of any unneeded hullaballo in the future. Thank you all, and let's get back to discussing S10. -N.O.S I think that we have the right to criticize the show...
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Post by icecreamdf on Nov 18, 2016 21:05:04 GMT
Oh, my giddy aunt, I'm surprised it turned out just as well as it did. No wonder there are more than a few holes... Yes... It's not impossible like having a youthful William Russell and Jacqueline Hill back for Hunters of the Burning Stone was. However, I imagine that there would have been a lot of spin-doctoring (no pun intended) involved in having Paul join the cast, even if his role was for something akin to a cameo. You might have been able to gamble on having his appearance sell more obscure merchandise like the TV Movie DVD or introduce NuWho fans to the classic series, but it's difficult to tell what exactly our capricious BBC overlords would expect from such a gimmick. McGann I can understand, but couldn't we have had an appearance by schoolmaster Ian Chesterton? However, fleeting. He and Carole Ann Ford turned up for Adventures in Space and Time, after all. Why not the actual anniversary special? Actually... That gives me an idea... *goes off to start another thread* It shouldn't be about merchandise. Surely, always script.first, merchandise second. Would have loved William Russell returning. Could have done it for Mawdryn Undead, or DOTD, or any time Clara was in school. or in Class. Plenty opportunities - all denied. I agree with you in principle, but they do need to do what makes financial sense. I don't know why they didn't put Chatterton in The Five Doctors. I haven't seen Class yet, but assuming that the show keeps going for a few years, I assume that they can work in a Chesterfield appearance at some point.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 2:40:14 GMT
Oh, my giddy aunt, I'm surprised it turned out just as well as it did. No wonder there are more than a few holes... Yes... It's not impossible like having a youthful William Russell and Jacqueline Hill back for Hunters of the Burning Stone was. However, I imagine that there would have been a lot of spin-doctoring (no pun intended) involved in having Paul join the cast, even if his role was for something akin to a cameo. You might have been able to gamble on having his appearance sell more obscure merchandise like the TV Movie DVD or introduce NuWho fans to the classic series, but it's difficult to tell what exactly our capricious BBC overlords would expect from such a gimmick. McGann I can understand, but couldn't we have had an appearance by schoolmaster Ian Chesterton? However, fleeting. He and Carole Ann Ford turned up for Adventures in Space and Time, after all. Why not the actual anniversary special? Actually... That gives me an idea... *goes off to start another thread* It shouldn't be about merchandise. Surely, always script.first, merchandise second. Would have loved William Russell returning. Could have done it for Mawdryn Undead, or DOTD, or any time Clara was in school. or in Class. Plenty opportunities - all denied. No, it shouldn't. Maybe those at the BBC really want to make the story better, but from what I've seen of corporations, they usually want what makes more money. It's sad, but nonetheless often true. Poor William Russell, always getting the short end of the stick. Least we've had him here at Big Finish for so long, they've been highlights of the CCs for me. Reliving that childhood nostalgia with my first TARDIS crew.
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Post by aztec on Nov 24, 2016 9:52:36 GMT
Updated again with a few minor bits of info.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2016 20:38:24 GMT
Updated again with a few minor bits of info. Thanks
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Post by aztec on Nov 29, 2016 15:51:21 GMT
Updaated again with a few minor bits of info, interesting to note that they seem to have filmed Series 10 in mostly chronological order so far (which is a rarity for New Who) I wonder if this was done at least partly for Peal Mackie's benefit? She only has two prior screen credits on IMDB (though she has worked extensively in the theatre).
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Dec 2, 2016 0:27:22 GMT
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Post by relativetime on Dec 2, 2016 1:04:35 GMT
I always welcome any chance for Paul McGann's Doctor to pop up in - I'd be happy with just a cameo in a flashback or something! But, yeah, I don't expect it to happen either and I can definitely see why many writers wouldn't want to write many multi-Doctor stories - there's a lot of continuity to keep track of on top of giving each Doctor enough involvement in the script and so on AND trying to keep them all from blending into one another.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Dec 2, 2016 1:30:06 GMT
I always welcome any chance for Paul McGann's Doctor to pop up in - I'd be happy with just a cameo in a flashback or something! But, yeah, I don't expect it to happen either and I can definitely see why many writers wouldn't want to write many multi-Doctor stories - there's a lot of continuity to keep track of on top of giving each Doctor enough involvement in the script and so on AND trying to keep them all from blending into one another. I am forever thankful that Big Finish has given us so many great adventures with the 8th Doctor.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Dec 2, 2016 8:15:31 GMT
Nah. The Two Doctors proved there shouldn't be a Multi-Doctor story on TV in a year that's not a milestone anniversary for the show.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 9:23:53 GMT
Bring back Paul McGann on tv as the Eighth Doctor, he & Capaldi would i think make a enjoyable two parter.
The Eighth Doctor is the one who has changed the most thanks to Big Finishes excellent scripts, To The Death is were this incarnation of the Doctor went from passionate explorer to battle weary Timelord.
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Post by aztec on Dec 2, 2016 11:16:19 GMT
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Post by aztec on Dec 2, 2016 11:21:23 GMT
Bring back Paul McGann on tv as the Eighth Doctor, he & Capaldi would i think make a enjoyable two parter. My two favourite Doctors in a story together, make this happen Moffat/Chibnall!!!
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Post by aztec on Dec 2, 2016 11:24:58 GMT
I always welcome any chance for Paul McGann's Doctor to pop up in - I'd be happy with just a cameo in a flashback or something! But, yeah, I don't expect it to happen either and I can definitely see why many writers wouldn't want to write many multi-Doctor stories - there's a lot of continuity to keep track of on top of giving each Doctor enough involvement in the script and so on AND trying to keep them all from blending into one another. I am forever thankful that Big Finish has given us so many great adventures with the 8th Doctor. And I am forever thankful for Moffat bringing back McGann for NOTD, those seven minutes instantly sold me on the 8th Doctor (and I regard the 8th Doctors' fate in NOTD to be perhaps the most noble and doctory of them all) and I had never heard of Big Finish until I found out who 'Charlie, C'Rizz, Lucie, Tamsin, Molly' were... Many of the 8th Dr's BBC novels are fantastic as well, heard good things about the comics, but I haven't read any.
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