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Post by paulmorris7777 on Nov 17, 2016 12:26:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2016 12:39:06 GMT
Series 10 to be screened in April 2017, if you didn't already know! ... glad to see it's going back to Summer. Personally, I don't think Summer is the best time for it; Doctor Who on cold dark Saturday evenings seems more traditional to me.
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Post by aztec on Nov 17, 2016 12:39:55 GMT
Pal McGann apparently agreed to do NOTD a couple of days before filming began and Moffat was still writing the script on the day, and that turned out OK, evidently having poor planning and terrible time keeping skills are no block on being a sucessful BBC showrunner...
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Post by aztec on Nov 17, 2016 13:49:45 GMT
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 17, 2016 13:57:04 GMT
Makes me wonder if Peter Jackson was originally going to direct it, given how he has said numerous times he wants to direct a Doctor Who episode. Might have been that he was too busy and had to cancel at last minute. This isn't to do with Series 10, but someone on Gallifreybase has claimed on this thread: gallifreybase.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239305(They also claim that Ian Russell was spposed to have a cameo at Coal Hill in Day Of The Doctor but was ill at the time and the BBC wouldn't let them reschedule filming) The person who posted this does have some history with getting spoilers and rumors correct (even if they don't usually cite a source), and Moffat did state he briefly considered (and even started drafting a version IIRC) with McGann's Dr in the role, so I think this could be true... even if it is, Moffat's job is to put a positive spin on things so he wouldn't be able to say this publicly... Basically sounds like the BBC have been spoiling things behind the scenes then. Wish they hadn't interfered and we'd got Paul McGann and William Russell in Day of the Doctor.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2016 14:19:48 GMT
This isn't to do with Series 10, but someone on Gallifreybase has claimed on this thread: gallifreybase.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239305(They also claim that Ian Russell was spposed to have a cameo at Coal Hill in Day Of The Doctor but was ill at the time and the BBC wouldn't let them reschedule filming) The person who posted this does have some history with getting spoilers and rumors correct (even if they don't usually cite a source), and Moffat did state he briefly considered (and even started drafting a version IIRC) with McGann's Dr in the role, so I think this could be true... even if it is, Moffat's job is to put a positive spin on things so he wouldn't be able to say this publicly... I did think that Moffat wasn't telling us as much as he could do.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 17, 2016 14:31:40 GMT
Pal McGann apparently agreed to do NOTD a couple of days before filming began and Moffat was still writing the script on the day, and that turned out OK, evidently having poor planning and terrible time keeping skills are no block on being a sucessful BBC showrunner... It's not as uncommon as you think. Stuff falls through or suddenly gets greenlit all the time in film and television. Even low budget stuff can get pretty hectic at a moment's notice. And anyway, that's more the job of the regular producers to get everyone, not so much the showrunner.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2016 14:33:22 GMT
I have also heard that Steven Moffat agreed to showrun Series 10 because without his involvement and he had left as originally planned at the end of 'Husbands of River Song', there would have been no new Doctor Who series from series 9 until Chris Chibnall's debut. This is little more than a rumour, but if it is true, with this and other things (for example, not allowing rescheduling to include William Russell's rumoured cameo in 'Day of the Doctor' - which I doubt is true anyway as he had done something similar in 'An Adventure in Time and Space'), it is important to remember that the BBC has faced many cuts in its budget over the past few years and finance is always the ultimate consideration in these matters.
I'm not sure he would have the time, but I would love for Steven to write a 'writer's tale' about his time on Doctor Who after he leaves (as has been suggested in another thread). I've a feeling that many of the things he gets 'blamed' for are out of his hands.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 17, 2016 14:33:36 GMT
As for my views, let's take this with a few hundred grains of salt: these are the same people who once said Ben Kingsley would be Davros, and that Patrick Stewart would be the Monk.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Nov 17, 2016 18:14:30 GMT
This isn't to do with Series 10, but someone on Gallifreybase has claimed on this thread: gallifreybase.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239305(They also claim that Ian Russell was spposed to have a cameo at Coal Hill in Day Of The Doctor but was ill at the time and the BBC wouldn't let them reschedule filming) The person who posted this does have some history with getting spoilers and rumors correct (even if they don't usually cite a source), and Moffat did state he briefly considered (and even started drafting a version IIRC) with McGann's Dr in the role, so I think this could be true... even if it is, Moffat's job is to put a positive spin on things so he wouldn't be able to say this publicly... This whole thing stinks! If, and I do mean, If, this is true Moffat should have stuck with his original idea with McGann. He should have grown a pair. Who is making the writing/showrunning decisions? Some person in a suit?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2016 18:31:46 GMT
I have also heard that Steven Moffat agreed to showrun Series 10 because without his involvement and he had left as originally planned at the end of 'Husbands of River Song', there would have been no new Doctor Who series from series 9 until Chris Chibnall's debut. This is little more than a rumour, but if it is true, with this and other things (for example, not allowing rescheduling to include William Russell's rumoured cameo in 'Day of the Doctor' - which I doubt is true anyway as he had done something similar in 'An Adventure in Time and Space'), it is important to remember that the BBC has faced many cuts in its budget over the past few years and finance is always the ultimate consideration in these matters. I'm not sure he would have the time, but I would love for Steven to write a 'writer's tale' about his time on Doctor Who after he leaves (as has been suggested in another thread). I've a feeling that many of the things he gets 'blamed' for are out of his hands. Steven Moffat has been pretty clear in interviews that he expected Husbands to be his last story, that finding a replacement for him was proving difficult and that he wasn't prepared to leave the show in the lurch, so combined with Chibnall's commitment to Broadchurch 3 I'm absolutely sure you're correct.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 17, 2016 20:48:06 GMT
The person who posted this does have some history with getting spoilers and rumors correct (even if they don't usually cite a source), and Moffat did state he briefly considered (and even started drafting a version IIRC) with McGann's Dr in the role, so I think this could be true... even if it is, Moffat's job is to put a positive spin on things so he wouldn't be able to say this publicly... This whole thing stinks! If, and I do mean, If, this is true Moffat should have stuck with his original idea with McGann. He should have grown a pair. Who is making the writing/showrunning decisions? Some person in a suit? And as if we needed further proof of your ignorance... Pretty much every showrunner associated with Who since Syd Newman left has had to answer to a 'suit' and not get something they wanted because of x reason. It has nothing to do with lacking courage, it's about being overridden by a superior who holds the purse strings, as well as the jobs of your entire staff. The reality of any creative form is, sometimes, you don't get a say in how things are done.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 17, 2016 21:18:17 GMT
This whole thing stinks! If, and I do mean, If, this is true Moffat should have stuck with his original idea with McGann. He should have grown a pair. Who is making the writing/showrunning decisions? Some person in a suit? And as if we needed further proof of your ignorance... Pretty much every showrunner associated with Who since Syd Newman left has had to answer to a 'suit' and not get something they wanted because of x reason. It has nothing to do with lacking courage, it's about being overridden by a superior who holds the purse strings, as well as the jobs of your entire staff. The reality of any creative form is, sometimes, you don't get a say in how things are done. But there have also been cases where those in charge of the show have fought for particular ideas and had to prove to the higher-ups that they made the right decision.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 17, 2016 21:44:03 GMT
And as if we needed further proof of your ignorance... Pretty much every showrunner associated with Who since Syd Newman left has had to answer to a 'suit' and not get something they wanted because of x reason. It has nothing to do with lacking courage, it's about being overridden by a superior who holds the purse strings, as well as the jobs of your entire staff. The reality of any creative form is, sometimes, you don't get a say in how things are done. But there have also been cases where those in charge of the show have fought for particular ideas and had to prove to the higher-ups that they made the right decision. Yes, but those are exceptions and not the rule sadly. Any sort of large scale creative enterprise requires a lot of compromise and swallowing bitter pills. Sometimes you get lucky, but often, you don't. Anyone on here who's done something of that nature can probably tell you how true it is.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 7:06:24 GMT
And as if we needed further proof of your ignorance... Pretty much every showrunner associated with Who since Syd Newman left has had to answer to a 'suit' and not get something they wanted because of x reason. It has nothing to do with lacking courage, it's about being overridden by a superior who holds the purse strings, as well as the jobs of your entire staff. The reality of any creative form is, sometimes, you don't get a say in how things are done. But there have also been cases where those in charge of the show have fought for particular ideas and had to prove to the higher-ups that they made the right decision. And we have no idea how many such debates Moffat may have won. We're only speculating on a couple he's rumoured to have lost.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Nov 18, 2016 12:37:06 GMT
As for my views, let's take this with a few hundred grains of salt: these are the same people who once said Ben Kingsley would be Davros, and that Patrick Stewart would be the Monk. TBF i was always saying on the old BF Forum that i would love Patrick Stewart to play the Monk, so maybe i started that lmao
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Nov 18, 2016 12:39:41 GMT
I have also heard that Steven Moffat agreed to showrun Series 10 because without his involvement and he had left as originally planned at the end of 'Husbands of River Song', there would have been no new Doctor Who series from series 9 until Chris Chibnall's debut. This is little more than a rumour, but if it is true, with this and other things (for example, not allowing rescheduling to include William Russell's rumoured cameo in 'Day of the Doctor' - which I doubt is true anyway as he had done something similar in 'An Adventure in Time and Space'), it is important to remember that the BBC has faced many cuts in its budget over the past few years and finance is always the ultimate consideration in these matters. I'm not sure he would have the time, but I would love for Steven to write a 'writer's tale' about his time on Doctor Who after he leaves (as has been suggested in another thread). I've a feeling that many of the things he gets 'blamed' for are out of his hands. Saying that, makes me wonder why he didnt go the Specials route for this year, but maybe with the same companion rather than the RTD different Companions, although thinking on it, it may be because it could have been seen as a repeat of what RTD did is why he didnt do that
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Nov 18, 2016 13:42:15 GMT
This whole thing stinks! If, and I do mean, If, this is true Moffat should have stuck with his original idea with McGann. He should have grown a pair. Who is making the writing/showrunning decisions? Some person in a suit? And as if we needed further proof of your ignorance... Pretty much every showrunner associated with Who since Syd Newman left has had to answer to a 'suit' and not get something they wanted because of x reason. It has nothing to do with lacking courage, it's about being overridden by a superior who holds the purse strings, as well as the jobs of your entire staff. The reality of any creative form is, sometimes, you don't get a say in how things are done. Its pretty reasonable to have former actors who have played the Doctor in a 50th Anniversary Special. Its especially reasonable to have Paul McGann return, as so many fans wanted him to return. I won't be lowering myself to your level of rudeness!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 13:53:27 GMT
And as if we needed further proof of your ignorance... Pretty much every showrunner associated with Who since Syd Newman left has had to answer to a 'suit' and not get something they wanted because of x reason. Its pretty reasonable to have former actors who have played the Doctor in a 50th Anniversary Special. Not only reasonable, I'd go so far to say it would be expected... well, by us fans anyway. The 'suits' at the BBC are a different kettle of fish altogether though, especially the ones that sign the cheques!
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Post by mark687 on Nov 18, 2016 14:05:37 GMT
just found RTD's definition of Showrunner
"establish and maintain a consistent tone in a drama"
source Wikipedia
Also I didn't realize that 21st century Who was the first British Drama to adopt the concept of Showrunner. They'd only done previously for the Sitcom My Family.
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