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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 21:50:39 GMT
See I think its opposite when the revival was 1st announced there was general interest, when Tennant joined it spiked, when Catharine Tate joined it went through the roof, now was it because it was a known showbiz name doing a convincing job with believable plots for a mainstream audience probably.
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Maybe it just depends where you are. In America the Moffat era is when the show moved from SyFy to BBC America, and BBC America actually marketed the show. You're right. I think in America it's doing well. I think that's why there are always fights about how popular Doctor Who is.
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Post by mark687 on Nov 14, 2016 21:59:24 GMT
See I think its opposite when the revival was 1st announced there was general interest, when Tennant joined it spiked, when Catharine Tate joined it went through the roof, now was it because it was a known showbiz name doing a convincing job with believable plots for a mainstream audience probably.
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That's 100% true for us in the UK, but IceCream is in the US and the show - demonstrably - got bigger with Smith/Moffat over there. Sure, the groundwork was laid by the RTD era making the show bankable but it was the Moffat era that saw the show smash BBC Americas ratings. How much of that is organic growth that the show would have had regardless is up for debate but it was the Smith era where it became more mainstream in the US with magazine covers, chat show appearances and the like. So I wonder why the BBC are getting nervy on ratings if worldwide commercial success isn't being damaged?
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Nov 14, 2016 22:03:40 GMT
I don't get why everyone on here is complaining about this decision. If anything I think it's good news. The plotlines have, as of late, been very poor quality or over-complicated. Also, Capaldi, in a lot of people I know's eyes, a weak incarnation and just seems not to be bothered. I would also note that the Doctor, at his best, has always been a dashing character. Look at Pertwee, Baker and Tennant, they are the most popular, in terms of the public, probably, and were all running around a lot. I hope this turns out to be true. On that we would disagree. I thought series 8 & 9 were both very strong. I think Moffat found a new lease on life with Capaldi. And I don't look at Capaldi as a weak incarnation at all. He is my favorite of the "new" series Doctors. I'll be sad to see him go. That said, Mark is probably right. New production team wants to start off with a bang and that means a new Doctor.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 22:05:32 GMT
I don't get why everyone on here is complaining about this decision. If anything I think it's good news. The plotlines have, as of late, been very poor quality or over-complicated. Also, Capaldi, in a lot of people I know's eyes, a weak incarnation and just seems not to be bothered. I would also note that the Doctor, at his best, has always been a dashing character. Look at Pertwee, Baker and Tennant, they are the most popular, in terms of the public, probably, and were all running around a lot. I hope this turns out to be true. On that we would disagree. I thought series 8 & 9 were both very strong. I think Moffat found a new lease on life with Capaldi. And I don't look at Capaldi as a weak incarnation at all. He is my favorite of the "new" series Doctors. I'll be sad to see him go. That said, Mark is probably right. New production team wants to start off with a bang and that means a new Doctor. Fair enough. I suppose we all must have different opinions.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 22:25:11 GMT
That's 100% true for us in the UK, but IceCream is in the US and the show - demonstrably - got bigger with Smith/Moffat over there. Sure, the groundwork was laid by the RTD era making the show bankable but it was the Moffat era that saw the show smash BBC Americas ratings. How much of that is organic growth that the show would have had regardless is up for debate but it was the Smith era where it became more mainstream in the US with magazine covers, chat show appearances and the like. So I wonder why the BBC are getting nervy on ratings if worldwide commercial success isn't being damaged?
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Well, I didn't mention that at all, and neither had the post I quoted, or the one you did...but OK then, to jump in on the Mirror stuff - I'd be wary in taking stock in gossip tabloid rags. I don't believe most of what redtops publish on any issue - why would I do it when it's Doctor Who related? If Capaldi leaves after S10 I think it'll be his choice as much as theirs. 3 years is fine for both parties - no shame there. But Pearl Mackie's job being in danger already, as per The Daily Mirror? Nah, not buying it. She could come on board and catch on with audiences. They're not going to sack someone audience's like just because of some notion of having to sweep away Moffat's era to start the Chibnall one - most people couldn't care less who's running the show. Just us, the diehards. If Pearl resonates she'll stay, I'm sure. Some Doctor Who fans - and I don't mean you Mark, I'm making a separate point in the same post I quoted you in - really only get passionate when they perceive trouble - as though Michael Grade is always lurking at the back of their minds. The show this year got its first ever two year commission. The Beeb said they'd give us a season for Moffat and one for Chibnall. It's always been year-to-year even at the height of the Tennant era. Instad of seeing this as a massive sign of faith....some folks just completely ignore than and believe what anti-BBC media want them to. The ratings went down this year by a million. Not to be sniffed at - I think an earlier timeslot would help instantly and, after 3 years, hey maybe a new Doctor too - but I don't believe the show is in any danger at all. The Beeb have lost the Bake Off, they can't get Top Gear back to where it was with the racist presenter so Who is their money-spinner. I'm not worried and you shouldn't be either. It's not 1989, folks.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Nov 15, 2016 0:15:51 GMT
Agreed David. Doctor Who isn't danger or going anywhere. Steven Moffat has had a great fun. Peter Capaldi has been, and hopefully will continue to be, a great Doctor. I look forward to series 10.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Nov 15, 2016 0:21:32 GMT
And that report is from The Mirror? Why are we discussing this again?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2016 1:23:02 GMT
True, but then you only get one shot at being a Doctor Who producer. Your tenure runs its course and after that you don't get another chance, so I can understand why a certain amount of kowtowing may have happened. If he didn't leave and chose to kick up a fuss, the higher-ups would have sacked him and found someone else. All in all, he did a fairly good job at the beginning with his first year setting up a distinctive style, but I think he definitely hit burnout some point after A Good Man Goes to War. The former rather than the latter. From what I've seen (and this is a very broad strokes approach), a four-parter typically needs three threads -- one for your protagonists, one for your antagonists and at least one for your supporting cast. Personally, I think the story arcs have run their course and ended up being doubly unnecessary for that last season. Is the Doctor a good man? Well... For NuWho he's always been a bit grey, so you can't shock us with the answer. The hybrid? I'm not even sure what that was building up to, if anything at all. During his tenure, he has written for 3 new Doctors, plus a one off McGann, in a 6 series period. Hardly, "one shot"! Yup, he's certainly had his innings. Looking at it like that, I'm really not surprised the show has ended up feeling tired. Six series is a very, very long time. Some Doctor Who fans - and I don't mean you Mark, I'm making a separate point in the same post I quoted you in - really only get passionate when they perceive trouble - as though Michael Grade is always lurking at the back of their minds. The show this year got its first ever two year commission. The Beeb said they'd give us a season for Moffat and one for Chibnall. It's always been year-to-year even at the height of the Tennant era. Instad of seeing this as a massive sign of faith....some folks just completely ignore than and believe what anti-BBC media want them to. The ratings went down this year by a million. Not to be sniffed at - I think an earlier timeslot would help instantly and, after 3 years, hey maybe a new Doctor too - but I don't believe the show is in any danger at all. The Beeb have lost the Bake Off, they can't get Top Gear back to where it was with the racist presenter so Who is their money-spinner. I'm not worried and you shouldn't be either. It's not 1989, folks. Mmm, the show will go on in whatever form it does. It was like all that fuss over The Name of the Doctor where people thought that the revelation would mean an end to the series. The sky didn't fall and the programme was still there for another regeneration. It's safe because nowadays it's marketable, the only issue I can really think of is much more individualistic -- do each individual one of us want to still be watching the series or has it run its course for us personally? Seeing the show stopped being a priority for me roughly about Let's Kill Hitler because it wasn't what I wanted to be spending my time watching anymore. I'm just sitting around waiting for this particular trend to pass, but there are people who have leaped into this era with gusto and have been enjoying every minute of it and that's fine too. Whether you think the programme is doing well or not, the wonderful thing about Who is that all it's just a question of time before something you enjoy comes along.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Nov 16, 2016 12:31:47 GMT
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Post by mark687 on Nov 16, 2016 12:53:25 GMT
And Bill's a 1 series only companion
Series 10 is certainly going to be interesting.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 16, 2016 12:58:56 GMT
Eaters of the Light makes me think of the Vashta Nerada. I wonder if they could be returning?
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Post by aztec on Nov 16, 2016 13:14:32 GMT
Updated again with a few new bits of info, interesting to note the last writer of the Classic series will also be the last guest writer in Moffat's era.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Nov 16, 2016 21:19:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2016 22:03:32 GMT
And Bill's a 1 series only companion Series 10 is certainly going to be interesting. Regards mark687 Circular reporting going on there. Numerous sites quoting the Mirror, which is quoting an "unnamed insider" who is probably actually just the bloke posting rumours on Gallifrey Base. Forums then pick up on the news story and believe it reinforces the rumour and before you know it you have an omni-rumour devouring fandom.
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Post by aztec on Nov 17, 2016 11:41:32 GMT
And Bill's a 1 series only companion Series 10 is certainly going to be interesting. Regards mark687 Circular reporting going on there. Numerous sites quoting the Mirror, which is quoting an "unnamed insider" who is probably actually just the bloke posting rumours on Gallifrey Base. Forums then pick up on the news story and believe it reinforces the rumour and before you know it you have an omni-rumour devouring fandom. In that case, here are some spoilers a 'show insider' told me this morning: Nardole is actually the Rani regenerated in male form, Bill is a long lost cousin of Martha, The Sonic Screwdriver gets upgraded to a sonic chainsaw and Paul McGann is returning for the finale.
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Post by aztec on Nov 17, 2016 11:58:46 GMT
This isn't to do with Series 10, but someone on Gallifreybase has claimed on this thread: gallifreybase.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239305(They also claim that Ian Russell was spposed to have a cameo at Coal Hill in Day Of The Doctor but was ill at the time and the BBC wouldn't let them reschedule filming) The person who posted this does have some history with getting spoilers and rumors correct (even if they don't usually cite a source), and Moffat did state he briefly considered (and even started drafting a version IIRC) with McGann's Dr in the role, so I think this could be true... even if it is, Moffat's job is to put a positive spin on things so he wouldn't be able to say this publicly...
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Nov 17, 2016 12:04:23 GMT
And Bill's a 1 series only companion Series 10 is certainly going to be interesting. Regards mark687 Circular reporting going on there. Numerous sites quoting the Mirror, which is quoting an "unnamed insider" who is probably actually just the bloke posting rumours on Gallifrey Base. Forums then pick up on the news story and believe it reinforces the rumour and before you know it you have an omni-rumour devouring fandom. Sounds like a Season Finale lmao
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Post by aztec on Nov 17, 2016 12:08:20 GMT
I can't remember if I put this in the master post or not, but I read a 'spoiler' on twitter (can't remember the link, sorry) saying Bill was a Lesbian, potentially making her TV Who's 2nd LGBT openly companion after Captain Jack.
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Post by aztec on Nov 17, 2016 12:09:49 GMT
That was announced months ago, glad to see it's going back to Summer.
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Post by aztec on Nov 17, 2016 12:11:43 GMT
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