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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 14, 2016 20:01:34 GMT
I don't get why everyone on here is complaining about this decision. If anything I think it's good news. The plotlines have, as of late, been very poor quality or over-complicated. Also, Capaldi, in a lot of people I know's eyes, a weak incarnation and just seems not to be bothered. I would also note that the Doctor, at his best, has always been a dashing character. Look at Pertwee, Baker and Tennant, they are the most popular, in terms of the public, probably, and were all running around a lot. I hope this turns out to be true. Time travel by its very nature is complicated. Moffat's idea to capitalise on that is ingenious in my opinion. As for Peter Capaldi: oh, boo hoo. The Tumblr crowd don't like him. Why don't they grow up and watch some Classic Who instead of demanding a younger dashing Doctor again? It does though because what do any of us watch here at the moment? U.S. sci-fi dramas. Yes but we're not talking the audience of "Us" on this Forum that will try and watch it whatever, we're talking an audience that watches reality TV and for whatever reason also made sure to watch DW in the RTD era which they aren't doing now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 20:02:50 GMT
I don't get why everyone on here is complaining about this decision. If anything I think it's good news. The plotlines have, as of late, been very poor quality or over-complicated. Also, Capaldi, in a lot of people I know's eyes, a weak incarnation and just seems not to be bothered. I would also note that the Doctor, at his best, has always been a dashing character. Look at Pertwee, Baker and Tennant, they are the most popular, in terms of the public, probably, and were all running around a lot. I hope this turns out to be true. Time travel by urd Yes but we're not talking the audience of "Us" on this Forum that will try and watch it whatever, we're talking an audience that watches reality TV and for whatever reason also made sure to watch DW in the RTD era which they aren't doing now.
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mark687 A bit confused about what you mean.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 14, 2016 20:06:42 GMT
A bit confused about what you mean. I accidentally posted it before I'd finished. Updated the post now.
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Post by mark687 on Nov 14, 2016 20:29:03 GMT
Time travel by its very nature is complicated. Moffat's idea to capitalise on that is ingenious in my opinion. As for Peter Capaldi: oh, boo hoo. The Tumblr crowd don't like him. Why don't they grow up and watch some Classic Who instead of demanding a younger dashing Doctor again? Reality TV is irrelevant because it is a different genre. In terms of dramas, people are tending to watch period and U.S. sci-fi/fantasy dramas at the moment (often with a fairy tale tinge to them).
Sorry but the Reality TV is relevant for the reasons I stated.
Almost 11 million watched 3 reality shows last night and their now a decade or more old.
In RTDs tenure 9-10 million of those would've also watched Who.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 20:55:25 GMT
I don't get why everyone on here is complaining about this decision. If anything I think it's good news. The plotlines have, as of late, been very poor quality or over-complicated. Also, Capaldi, in a lot of people I know's eyes, a weak incarnation and just seems not to be bothered. I would also note that the Doctor, at his best, has always been a dashing character. Look at Pertwee, Baker and Tennant, they are the most popular, in terms of the public, probably, and were all running around a lot. I hope this turns out to be true. Time travel by its very nature is complicated. Moffat's idea to capitalise on that is ingenious in my opinion. As for Peter Capaldi: oh, boo hoo. The Tumblr crowd don't like him. Why don't they grow up and watch some Classic Who instead of demanding a younger dashing Doctor again? Time Travel shouldn't be overcomplicated, though, as it has been in recent years. And, as for Capaldi, I'd say that we should do what's right for the show and if that's a younger and more dashing Doctor that's fine.
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Post by icecreamdf on Nov 14, 2016 21:12:42 GMT
Have people really been finding Doctor Who confusing? I mean, the Silence arc was a little bit confusing until Time of the Doctor explained everything, but there hasn't been anything too complicated since Capaldi took over.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 14, 2016 21:16:21 GMT
Time travel by its very nature is complicated. Moffat's idea to capitalise on that is ingenious in my opinion. As for Peter Capaldi: oh, boo hoo. The Tumblr crowd don't like him. Why don't they grow up and watch some Classic Who instead of demanding a younger dashing Doctor again? Time Travel shouldn't be overcomplicated, though, as it has been in recent years. And, as for Capaldi, I'd say that we should do what's right for the show and if that's a younger and more dashing Doctor that's fine. But in real life time travel would be complicated. It's realistic. RE Peter Capaldi: the Tumblr crowd aren't real fans so their opinion can't be right for the show. If they want a younger Doctor each time then they are watching the wrong show. Time travel by its very nature is complicated. Moffat's idea to capitalise on that is ingenious in my opinion. As for Peter Capaldi: oh, boo hoo. The Tumblr crowd don't like him. Why don't they grow up and watch some Classic Who instead of demanding a younger dashing Doctor again? Reality TV is irrelevant because it is a different genre. In terms of dramas, people are tending to watch period and U.S. sci-fi/fantasy dramas at the moment (often with a fairy tale tinge to them).
Sorry but the Reality TV is relevant for the reasons I stated.
Almost 11 million watched 3 reality shows last night and their now a decade or more old.
In RTDs tenure 9-10 million of those would've also watched Who.
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RTD Doctor Who isn't reality TV. The ratings haven't gone down since RTD, the way that people watch the show has simply changed.
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Post by mark687 on Nov 14, 2016 21:28:30 GMT
Time Travel shouldn't be overcomplicated, though, as it has been in recent years. And, as for Capaldi, I'd say that we should do what's right for the show and if that's a younger and more dashing Doctor that's fine. But in real life time travel would be complicated. It's realistic. RE Peter Capaldi: the Tumblr crowd aren't real fans so their opinion can't be right for the show. If they want a younger Doctor each time then they are watching the wrong show.
Sorry but the Reality TV is relevant for the reasons I stated.
Almost 11 million watched 3 reality shows last night and their now a decade or more old.
In RTDs tenure 9-10 million of those would've also watched Who.
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RTD Doctor Who isn't reality TV. The ratings haven't gone down since RTD, the way that people watch the show has simply changed. OK
They watch it on Catch-up (its still down overall) but again there was something in RTD Who that appealed to a wider audience that made it priority "live" viewing for a more general audience.
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Post by icecreamdf on Nov 14, 2016 21:29:51 GMT
RE Peter Capaldi: the Tumblr crowd aren't real fans so their opinion can't be right for the show. If they want a younger Doctor each time then they are watching the wrong show. I'm pretty sure that anyone who watches and enjoys the show is a real fan.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 21:30:13 GMT
Have people really been finding Doctor Who confusing? I mean, the Silence arc was a little bit confusing until Time of the Doctor explained everything, but there hasn't been anything too complicated since Capaldi took over. What I think the people are confused about is the constant cross-refrencing to previous Doctor Who episodes. As in not just the previous, but episodes way back.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 21:31:36 GMT
But in real life time travel would be complicated. It's realistic. RE Peter Capaldi: the Tumblr crowd aren't real fans so their opinion can't be right for the show. If they want a younger Doctor each time then they are watching the wrong show. RTD Doctor Who isn't reality TV. The ratings haven't gone down since RTD, the way that people watch the show has simply changed. OK
They watch it on Catch-up (its still down overall) but again there was something in RTD Who that appealed to a wider audience that made it priority "live" viewing for a more general audience.
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Then again the place in the viewing figures has gone down quite considerably since Capaldi joined.
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Post by icecreamdf on Nov 14, 2016 21:31:36 GMT
But in real life time travel would be complicated. It's realistic. RE Peter Capaldi: the Tumblr crowd aren't real fans so their opinion can't be right for the show. If they want a younger Doctor each time then they are watching the wrong show. RTD Doctor Who isn't reality TV. The ratings haven't gone down since RTD, the way that people watch the show has simply changed. OK
They watch it on Catch-up (its still down overall) but again there was something in RTD Who that appealed to a wider audience that made it priority "live" viewing for a more general audience.
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Is that actually true. I never started seeing Doctor Who merchandise in stores, or hearing people outside of my family and the internet talking about the show until Moffat took over. The introduction of the Eleventh Doctor is when the show became mainstream.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 21:34:22 GMT
Time Travel shouldn't be overcomplicated, though, as it has been in recent years. And, as for Capaldi, I'd say that we should do what's right for the show and if that's a younger and more dashing Doctor that's fine. But in real life time travel would be complicated. It's realistic. RE Peter Capaldi: the Tumblr crowd aren't real fans so their opinion can't be right for the show. If they want a younger Doctor each time then they are watching the wrong show. The thing is with Capaldi, the viewing figures went down by about a million across the season and the places in the charts dropped by about twenty. Also, I'd say that everyone's opinion is valid, providing that at one point they watched it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 21:36:00 GMT
OK
They watch it on Catch-up (its still down overall) but again there was something in RTD Who that appealed to a wider audience that made it priority "live" viewing for a more general audience.
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Is that actually true. I never started seeing Doctor Who merchandise in stores, or hearing people outside of my family and the internet talking about the show until Moffat took over. The introduction of the Eleventh Doctor is when the show became mainstream. I'm afraid I have to disagree. Interest was lost in Doctor Who, I'd say after Smith came in and completely dropped when Capaldi arrived. Yes, the publicity and stuff peaked in about 2010/11, but that was based on how much they'd made from the previous two years (2008/09 as they were arguably Doctor Who's 21st century peek)
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 14, 2016 21:38:08 GMT
RE Peter Capaldi: the Tumblr crowd aren't real fans so their opinion can't be right for the show. If they want a younger Doctor each time then they are watching the wrong show. I'm pretty sure that anyone who watches and enjoys the show is a real fan. How can they be real fans when they kept claiming Peter Capaldi was 'too old'?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 21:39:37 GMT
I'm pretty sure that anyone who watches and enjoys the show is a real fan. How can they be real fans when they kept claiming Peter Capaldi was 'too old'? Not all of them said that. The main problem I'd say with the first episodes was that Capaldi wasn't the focus and when he was on screen he was very grump and not that interesting as a Doctor. Also they don't need to be fans of every era to be fans. I mean, my Dad only really rates certain eras of the show. He likes Pertwee, Baker, McCoy and Tennant.
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Post by mark687 on Nov 14, 2016 21:42:49 GMT
OK
They watch it on Catch-up (its still down overall) but again there was something in RTD Who that appealed to a wider audience that made it priority "live" viewing for a more general audience.
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Is that actually true. I never started seeing Doctor Who merchandise in stores, or hearing people outside of my family and the internet talking about the show until Moffat took over. The introduction of the Eleventh Doctor is when the show became mainstream. See I think its opposite when the revival was 1st announced there was general interest, when Tennant joined it spiked, when Catharine Tate joined it went through the roof, now was it because it was a known showbiz name doing a convincing job with believable plots for a mainstream audience probably.
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Post by icecreamdf on Nov 14, 2016 21:47:30 GMT
Is that actually true. I never started seeing Doctor Who merchandise in stores, or hearing people outside of my family and the internet talking about the show until Moffat took over. The introduction of the Eleventh Doctor is when the show became mainstream. See I think its opposite when the revival was 1st announced there was general interest, when Tennant joined it spiked, when Catharine Tate joined it went through the roof, now was it because it was a known showbiz name doing a convincing job with believable plots for a mainstream audience probably.
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Maybe it just depends where you are. In America the Moffat era is when the show moved from SyFy to BBC America, and BBC America actually marketed the show.
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Post by icecreamdf on Nov 14, 2016 21:49:26 GMT
I'm pretty sure that anyone who watches and enjoys the show is a real fan. How can they be real fans when they kept claiming Peter Capaldi was 'too old'? Cause there are lots of amazing episodes starring younger Doctors and they might prefer episodes with Matt Smith and David Tennant.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 21:50:02 GMT
Is that actually true. I never started seeing Doctor Who merchandise in stores, or hearing people outside of my family and the internet talking about the show until Moffat took over. The introduction of the Eleventh Doctor is when the show became mainstream. See I think its opposite when the revival was 1st announced there was general interest, when Tennant joined it spiked, when Catharine Tate joined it went through the roof, now was it because it was a known showbiz name doing a convincing job with believable plots for a mainstream audience probably.
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That's 100% true for us in the UK, but IceCream is in the US and the show - demonstrably - got bigger with Smith/Moffat over there. Sure, the groundwork was laid by the RTD era making the show bankable but it was the Moffat era that saw the show smash BBC Americas ratings. How much of that is organic growth that the show would have had regardless is up for debate but it was the Smith era where it became more mainstream in the US with magazine covers, chat show appearances and the like.
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