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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 30, 2016 13:37:48 GMT
Still, the fairytale quality of Series 10 (per the rumours) may not be such a bad thing. If the stories remain consistent and fun, it wouldn't be a bad way to end Moffat's reign. A series of sweet stories to ease us out, taking cues from Hartnell and Troughton's eras, may be just the thing after several years of winding arcs and the uses of dark concepts to varying degrees of success.
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Post by mark687 on Oct 30, 2016 13:52:38 GMT
Still, the fairytale quality of Series 10 (per the rumours) may not be such a bad thing. If the stories remain consistent and fun, it wouldn't be a bad way to end Moffat's reign. A series of sweet stories to ease us out, taking cues from Hartnell and Troughton's eras, may be just the thing after several years of winding arcs and the uses of dark concepts to varying degrees of success. I personally hope it doesn't go too far that road (Widow and the Wardrobe Pandorica/ Big Bang )
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Post by Ela on Oct 30, 2016 15:28:09 GMT
The Witch, The Widow and the Wardrobe was a cute idea, but a little odd.
I enjoyed Pandorica/Big Bang, actually.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Oct 30, 2016 15:49:30 GMT
It might or it might not quality wise. I'd say it's really up in the air. The exciting thing about bringing in less known talent is that we could get some really brilliant, really new stuff. Or it could all crash and burn. No way of knowing until it happens, really. I think, at the very least, the show won't drop in terms of production quality. While I'm all for Chibnail giving some fresh talent onboard, very much so, let´s not carried away. If the rumour proves true, he likely means guys with few TV/film credits. The Beeb would never allow a completely untested newbie with no track record on the show for reasons that have already been expounded upon in other threads. This is not me being mean or trying to kill dreams, but the fact is, the days of Andrew Smith being able to come on and write Full Circle are long gone. At best, maybe they'll do something like that for Children in Need, like that school that got to write a short. It would either be a disaster or a miracle for the show if they let untested newbies write, although it could have some advantages for any writer wannabes if they allow script submissions and hire any who they find are outstanding/naturally gifted in their screenwriting. I for one would submit scripts and I'm sure many others who want to work as a writer in the industry would too. Sometimes talent is left undiscovered, sometimes people need to be told something they want to do isn't for them, sometimes it helps to have encouragement that a submission process could allow...
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Oct 30, 2016 15:50:44 GMT
While I'm all for Chibnail giving some fresh talent onboard, very much so, let´s not carried away. If the rumour proves true, he likely means guys with few TV/film credits. The Beeb would never allow a completely untested newbie with no track record on the show for reasons that have already been expounded upon in other threads. This is not me being mean or trying to kill dreams, but the fact is, the days of Andrew Smith being able to come on and write Full Circle are long gone. At best, maybe they'll do something like that for Children in Need, like that school that got to write a short. It would either be a disaster or a miracle for the show if they let untested newbies write, although it could have some advantages for any writer wannabes if they allow script submissions and hire any who they find are outstanding/naturally gifted in their screenwriting. I for one would submit scripts and I'm sure many others who want to work as a writer in the industry would too. Sometimes talent is left undiscovered, sometimes people need to be told something they want to do isn't for them, sometimes it helps to have encouragement that a submission process could allow... That's why they employ a Script Editor!
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Post by relativetime on Oct 30, 2016 16:45:21 GMT
It might or it might not quality wise. I'd say it's really up in the air. The exciting thing about bringing in less known talent is that we could get some really brilliant, really new stuff. Or it could all crash and burn. No way of knowing until it happens, really. I think, at the very least, the show won't drop in terms of production quality. While I'm all for Chibnail giving some fresh talent onboard, very much so, let´s not carried away. If the rumour proves true, he likely means guys with few TV/film credits. The Beeb would never allow a completely untested newbie with no track record on the show for reasons that have already been expounded upon in other threads. This is not me being mean or trying to kill dreams, but the fact is, the days of Andrew Smith being able to come on and write Full Circle are long gone. At best, maybe they'll do something like that for Children in Need, like that school that got to write a short. That's more along the lines I was thinking. People who have at least written for television once or have other credentials, but aren't well known. People COMPLETELY new to the medium might make sense in a very limited basis and with Chibnall stepping in to work with him/her, but an entire writer's room full of them is way too much of a risk.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 30, 2016 18:02:27 GMT
It would either be a disaster or a miracle for the show if they let untested newbies write, although it could have some advantages for any writer wannabes if they allow script submissions and hire any who they find are outstanding/naturally gifted in their screenwriting. I for one would submit scripts and I'm sure many others who want to work as a writer in the industry would too. Sometimes talent is left undiscovered, sometimes people need to be told something they want to do isn't for them, sometimes it helps to have encouragement that a submission process could allow... That's why they employ a Script Editor! No, a script editor's job is to check over quality and consistency, not handhold newcomers to the teleplay format and be a screenwriting teacher. As for dalekbuster, if you want to get into TV writing, with a path that may lead to Who, my advice is don't wait around for Chibnail to have a free slot, if that ever happens. Look over small production companies or join groups on Facebook: you can find all manner of web series and low budget/in development TV shows looking for writers. That's how I've been setting up gigs for the last few months.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Oct 30, 2016 18:13:05 GMT
That's why they employ a Script Editor! No, a script editor's job is to check over quality and consistency, not handhold newcomers to the teleplay format and be a screenwriting teacher. Then, what happened to Nightmare in Silver?
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Oct 30, 2016 18:34:34 GMT
That's why they employ a Script Editor! No, a script editor's job is to check over quality and consistency, not handhold newcomers to the teleplay format and be a screenwriting teacher. As for dalekbuster, if you want to get into TV writing, with a path that may lead to Who, my advice is don't wait around for Chibnail to have a free slot, if that ever happens. Look over small production companies or join groups on Facebook: you can find all manner of web series and low budget/in development TV shows looking for writers. That's how I've been setting up gigs for the last few months. I'm thinking of setting up a freelance business after university, although I know freelance work can be a risk given that you're basically employing yourself.
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Post by aztec on Nov 3, 2016 21:10:09 GMT
Updated the post with a few new spoilers and bits of info.
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Post by aztec on Nov 10, 2016 10:36:59 GMT
Updated again.
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Post by mark687 on Nov 10, 2016 16:54:20 GMT
Well if the recent Updates are true it puts Class in a new light, and this is just my opinion makes me even more frustrated with it.
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Post by aztec on Nov 11, 2016 12:28:33 GMT
Updated again.
I wonder if it was Smith or Capaldi who RTD nearly wrote for?
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 12, 2016 19:59:43 GMT
Updated again. I wonder if it was Smith or Capaldi who RTD nearly wrote for? RTD wrote for Matt Smith on The Sarah Jane Adventures so probably Peter Capaldi.
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Post by aztec on Nov 14, 2016 10:35:13 GMT
Updated again, A bit confused by that Mirror article, Capaldi confirmed he was asked to stay on months ago, he might have decided to leave, but how would it be a brand new show if they were planning on carrying over the lead actor?
''The replacement Time Lord is likely to be played by a younger actor in a bid to help boost the flagging sales of dolls, books, DVDs and toys.
Our source says: “BBC management wants a return to the format from the David Tennant era, when you had a dashing male lead and young female companion.
"Merchandising has dropped off sharply in recent years and there is a strong desire to boost the show’s popularity among kids.”
Er, merchandising has fallen yes, but that's partly because there's much less of it, Tennant alone had 50 or 60 books, Capaldi's only had seven so far, you can't expect stuff to be a big seller if you aren't pumping the money into marketing it, and how is returning to the Tennant era with a dashing male lead making a brand new show? If anything that's just lazily rehashing the past because you are scared to try new things, whilst its true the RTD era appealed more to mass audiences, it was also i.m.o about as far you could get from Classic Who as you could (I liked the Tennant era growing up, but ironically since I began watching/listening to Classic Doctors I rather lost interest in it) and I have little desire to see yet another 30 year with quirky hair and an eye for the ladies take the role (I stopped watching Smith's stories partly for those reasons)
Frankly Capaldi's era has been far and away my favorite of New Who and it still feels like he has barely got started, I could happily watch him for another three or four series.
This is really sad news if true i.m.o, if they do start going for looks and action over character and experimentation, it would certainly make my interest in the future episodes plummet, depending on who they cast I might stop watching again. It would be a real shame to go back to the more generic leading man when they tried to break the mould by casting someone older...which is rather ironic considering most of the Classic Doctors were in their 40's.
People in the 60's-80's were happy with the Doctor being an oddball grandfather or father figure, rather than a dashing cheeky boyfriend what's changed?
Honestly at times I feel like RTD was too successful at reinventing the show...
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Post by mark687 on Nov 14, 2016 11:12:22 GMT
Well of course mechanise sales are flagging in a year with no new TV content being shown.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Nov 14, 2016 11:21:41 GMT
Updated again, A bit confused by that Mirror article, Capaldi confirmed he was asked to stay on months ago, he might have decided to leave, but how would it be a brand new show if they were planning on carrying over the lead actor? ''The replacement Time Lord is likely to be played by a younger actor in a bid to help boost the flagging sales of dolls, books, DVDs and toys.Our source says: “BBC management wants a return to the format from the David Tennant era, when you had a dashing male lead and young female companion." Merchandising has dropped off sharply in recent years and there is a strong desire to boost the show’s popularity among kids.” Er, merchandising has fallen yes, but that's partly because there's much less of it, Tennant alone had 50 or 60 books, Capaldi's only had seven so far, you can't expect stuff to be a big seller if you aren't pumping the money into marketing it, and how is returning to the Tennant era with a dashing male lead making a brand new show? If anything that's just lazily rehashing the past because you are scared to try new things, whilst its true the RTD era appealed more to mass audiences, it was also i.m.o about as far you could get from Classic Who as you could (I liked the Tennant era growing up, but ironically since I began watching/listening to Classic Doctors I rather lost interest in it) and I have little desire to see yet another 30 year with quirky hair and an eye for the ladies take the role (I stopped watching Smith's stories partly for those reasons) Frankly Capaldi's era has been far and away my favorite of New Who and it still feels like he has barely got started, I could happily watch him for another three or four series. This is really sad news if true i.m.o, if they do start going for looks and action over character and experimentation, it would certainly make my interest in the future episodes plummet, depending on who they cast I might stop watching again. It would be a real shame to go back to the more generic leading man when they tried to break the mould by casting someone older...which is rather ironic considering most of the Classic Doctors were in their 40's.People in the 60's-80's were happy with the Doctor being an oddball grandfather or father figure, rather than a dashing cheeky boyfriend what's changed?Honestly at times I feel like RTD was too successful at reinventing the show...If this article is true, then its a very sad day for TV drama. Have merchandising sales dropped? Wouldn't you expect a drop in sales due to a) The boost from the 50th anniversary merchandise and b) No bloody show in 2016. I hate the idea of Tennant MK2. And, if they are only doing it to boost sales of dolls, books, dvds and toys, its rather pathetic. I was listening to Jeremy Clarkson on Radio5Live, this morning, and he was discussion his new Amazon Prime show. He said that the writing is paramount. The fall in ratings for series 9 was due to bad writing, NOT the change in times - there is ALWAYS, ALWAYS, catch-up, where it can still be viewed in a family atmosphere.
I will defend Classic Who till my death, but I'm always being told by NuWho fans that tv was different in them days. That I should expect the Doctor to be younger and a little sexier, with a modern day companion who viewers can relate to. Well, if the article is correct, that's what you're going to get! Apart from Capaldi, you're getting something you've already had since 2005!
I don't believe your last comment. The show was always going to be successful, especially with all the money thrown at it. But, Moffat simply continued the trend that RTD started. Young Doctor, Young modern day companion, No one dies attitude etc. If only Moffat had done something completely different, people wouldn't compare the two!
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I don't believe your last comment. The show was always going to be successful, especially with all the money thrown at it. But, Moffat simply continued the trend that RTD started. Young Doctor, Young modern day companion, No one dies attitude etc. If only Moffat had done something completely different, people wouldn't compare the two! A bit more bombastic than I would have put it, but I can't help and feel similar misgivings about some of the most recent era's trappings. There's a lot that distinguishes RTD and Moffat in terms of style, but the format was very, very same and there were moments when you could tell who did what better and how. Knowing what happened with Modern!Clara replacing Victorian!Clara, I suspect that there's a particular set of marketing guidelines that each showrunner has to follow as mandated by the BBC. Mind you, there are ways of getting around that, so I'm always a bit indecisive when it comes to condemning Moffat's era for retreading some of Davies's ideas. I have no idea whether it's a case of simply won't or simply can't. Davies did a marvellous job reinventing the show for the twenty-first century, it was exactly what it needed to be for that period in time, but I think over a decade on the show has to evolve and move on from that format. The return to classic serials attempted last season was a valiant try, but it wasn't what Doctor Who needed. If you're going that route, then you have to put in the extra effort to have multiple plot threads, fuller characterisations and more interesting settings. It's even more difficult because modern Who didn't feel like Danger Man where the sudden burst of extra runtime freed its wings, a lot was able to be accomplished in those forty-five minutes and RTD managed to sneak in six-parters anyway with stories like Turn Left / The Stolen Earth / Journey's End. It's time for the programme to change and for it to make a commitment to that change. Chibnall's coming in at the right time. The Witch, The Widow and the Wardrobe was a cute idea, but a little odd. I enjoyed Pandorica/Big Bang, actually. The Witch, the Widow and the Wardrobe was actually pretty fun for me until the plot kicked in, which is something that had never happened in Doctor Who for me until then. The Pandorica Opens was a bit meh, but I enjoyed the comparative simplicity of The Big Bang. River disintegrating the fez was actually pretty funny and I enjoyed the paradoxical elements. The little personal niggles like River making the Dalek beg (which I didn't believe, the Dalek would have tried another way to kill her) were really easy to overlook because it was done with a nice breathless sense of fun.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Nov 14, 2016 11:55:18 GMT
I don't believe your last comment. The show was always going to be successful, especially with all the money thrown at it. But, Moffat simply continued the trend that RTD started. Young Doctor, Young modern day companion, No one dies attitude etc. If only Moffat had done something completely different, people wouldn't compare the two! A bit more bombastic than I would have put it, but I can't help and feel similar misgivings about some of the most recent era's trappings. There's a lot that distinguishes RTD and Moffat in terms of style, but the format was very, very same and there were moments when you could tell who did what better and how. Knowing what happened with Modern!Clara replacing Victorian!Clara, I suspect that there's a particular set of marketing guidelines that each showrunner has to follow as mandated by the BBC. Mind you, there are ways of getting around that, so I'm always a bit indecisive when it comes to condemning Moffat's era for retreading some of Davies's ideas. I have no idea whether it's a case of simply won't or simply can't. Davies did a marvellous job reinventing the show for the twenty-first century, it was exactly what it needed to be for that period in time, but I think over a decade on the show has to evolve and move on from that format. The return to classic serials attempted last season was a valiant try, but it wasn't what Doctor Who needed. If you're going that route, then you have to put in the extra effort to have multiple plot threads, fuller characterisations and more interesting settings. It's even more difficult because modern Who didn't feel like Danger Man where the sudden burst of extra runtime freed its wings, a lot was able to be accomplished in those forty-five minutes and RTD managed to sneak in six-parters anyway with stories like Turn Left / The Stolen Earth / Journey's End. It's time for the programme to change and for it to make a commitment to that change. Chibnall's coming in at the right time. The Witch, The Widow and the Wardrobe was a cute idea, but a little odd. I enjoyed Pandorica/Big Bang, actually. The Witch, the Widow and the Wardrobe was actually pretty fun for me until the plot kicked in, which is something that had never happened in Doctor Who for me until then. The Pandorica Opens was a bit meh, but I enjoyed the comparative simplicity of The Big Bang. River disintegrating the fez was actually pretty funny and I enjoyed the paradoxical elements. The little personal niggles like River making the Dalek beg (which I didn't believe, the Dalek would have tried another way to kill her) were really easy to overlook because it was done with a nice breathless sense of fun. If Moffat has been given guidelines, and he wasn't happy with them. He should have left. Constraints would affect creativity. So, Moffat having stayed 6 years, seems to be happy follow said guidelines. Not sure if you meant that the individual episodes need multiple plot threads (which I agree with), or you are referring to the story arc? Series 9 appeared to me more of a one route form of story telling. With no, or little subplot.
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