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Post by redsharkJason on Nov 5, 2016 2:30:24 GMT
A Class discussion thread for: Co-Owner of a Lonely Heart (S01E04).
Not surprisingly Corakinus the Shadow King returns in this story, because April is its main character focus. Will we be seeing any formerly established Doctor Who monsters within this first series of Class?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2016 13:16:09 GMT
Well, I don't know what to think of that because it's Part 1 of 2. However, I don't think that any formerly established foes'll return, unless I'm missing something.
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Post by mark687 on Nov 5, 2016 13:29:26 GMT
Well, I don't know what to think of that because it's Part 1 of 2. However, I don't think that any formerly established foes'll return, unless I'm missing something.
I've not seen it and I'm not in any rush too.
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That's the whole point is The Shadow Kin return and April shares the King's heart so of course they've got to keep returning at least till the finale surely and would they overegg the pudding with established foes.?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2016 13:30:05 GMT
The world of the Shadow King is very generic evil-realm. It's cut-price Mordor. When he dispatched one of his own minions for no real reason other than because he's the bad guy, it really seemed like a cheap move. This show wants to be Buffy more than anything...well Buffy had big bads like The Mayor and Glory who were facinating, fun characters- heroes in their own story. This Shadow King is just stock fantasy villain 101 so far and that's a shame. That is.....untill the most unexpected sex scene I've seen in a long time Some severe pacing problems here though - the threat doesn't become the focus until the last 9 minutes. While, rightly, a lot of time is given to the inter-relationships of the gang there needs to be a better balance of the character and the plot. I think Ness' inexperience as a writer for the screen shows in that. April still hasn't grabbed me as a characterdespite her showcase at the end of this and Matteusz seems to be just there so we know Charlie likes guys but I love Ram, Charlie and Tanya and the scenes sparkle much more when they're on screen. The latter, when telling the guys that she thinks Ram and April hooked up was hilarious. Vivian is a really good actress.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2016 13:33:02 GMT
Well, I don't know what to think of that because it's Part 1 of 2. However, I don't think that any formerly established foes'll return, unless I'm missing something.
I've not seen it and I'm not in any rush too.
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That's the whole point is The Shadow Kin return and April shares the King's heart so of course they've got to keep returning at least till the finale surely?
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mark687
Jason in the OP was asking about Doctor Who monsters, not Class ones. Like Budnp I don't see why there would be any.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 5, 2016 13:37:02 GMT
I enjoyed the recent episode but I felt it was a bit muddled and poorly explained. I had no idea when watching it why April could suddenly produce Shadow Kin swords out of nowhere and was experiencing rapid mood swings; I was convinced it wasn't explained on-screen but somebody on Twitter pointed out to me it was dealt with in a line of dialogue during the Shadow Kin's realm scene at the beginning. It also felt too much like setting up next week's episode; you could probably just watch episode five and not miss anything. It's too much of a prequel than a story that necessarily needs to parts. I still have no idea what's supposed to have happened to April's mum; my guess is that her legs are cured but again, it wasn't made very clear. It was a pretty confusing episode and could have done with more expositional scenes.
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Post by mark687 on Nov 5, 2016 13:37:04 GMT
I've not seen it and I'm not in any rush too.
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That's the whole point is The Shadow Kin return and April shares the King's heart so of course they've got to keep returning at least till the finale surely?
Regards
mark687
Jason in the OP was asking about Doctor Who monsters, not Class ones. Like Budnp I don't see why there would be any. Yes I've edited my post accordingly.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2016 14:18:43 GMT
Well, I don't know what to think of that because it's Part 1 of 2. However, I don't think that any formerly established foes'll return, unless I'm missing something.
I've not seen it and I'm not in any rush too.
But
That's the whole point is The Shadow Kin return and April shares the King's heart so of course they've got to keep returning at least till the finale surely and would they overegg the pudding with established foes.?
Regards
mark687
Oh. I think you've misunderstood. I meant I don't think any established Doctor Who monsters will appear.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2016 14:52:16 GMT
To be honest, though, thinking about the episode, I think it's probably on par with last week, which I thought was marginally below par, but not as bad as Episode 1, yet not as good as Episode 2. The problems are probably more obvious in this one than the others. It all starts to feel a bit forced and is similar to a few Doctor Who episodes. The best things about it are still Ram and Tanya. I don't like Mrs Quill that much, but she seems a bit of a marmite character from what I've seen. April, Charlie and Charlie's boyfriend are very bland characters who just seem to be there and aren't that interesting. Also, April's parents are both pretty odd... The Shadow Kin are probably the most bland aliens in Doctor Who history... Still, it was fairly enjoyable, but has way, way too many problems to be rated as good.
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Post by mark687 on Nov 5, 2016 14:56:36 GMT
Watched it now
They've really got to do something with Charlie and Quill when your hook is still the least interesting thing after 4 EPs its fatally flawed.
I'm coming to the conclusion that being DW related is crippling this, it may've made a more then half decent drama if it just an ordinary group of school kids facing alien invasion.
Anyone else think that "The Governors" are a rouge UNIT cell?
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Post by Tony Jones on Nov 5, 2016 16:00:35 GMT
I rather enjoyed it and didn't mind there being (at least) two threads underway. I think it all depends on mood when you sit down to watch! I've had a busy week and wanted some escapism. I also don't mind the time taken to bring the Quill / Charlie plot to a boil. Also the title is taken from a Yes song so another plus point for me!
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 5, 2016 19:03:38 GMT
I'm coming to the conclusion that being DW related is crippling this, it may've made a more then half decent drama if it just an ordinary group of school kids facing alien invasion. mark687 I agree, it feels like it's own show rather than a spinoff.
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Post by redsharkJason on Nov 6, 2016 1:36:20 GMT
I'm coming to the conclusion that being DW related is crippling this, it may've made a more then half decent drama if it just an ordinary group of school kids facing alien invasion. mark687 I agree, it feels like it's own show rather than a spinoff. I also agree with Mark's comments about its loosely based (without need) Doctor Who ties quite possibly hampering a show that seems to be attempting to deliver good entertainment on its own not Doctor Who merits - what an ironic notion! On the other hand, I am still coming to terms with my initial disappointment of it not being more overtly Doctor Who related. I suspect that I'm not the only one that made the mistake of wrongly assuming that a "Doctor Who spin-off" wouldn't be heavier connected to the DW parent series. David's last week's (news to me) mentioning of Class being a UK Buffy is an appropriate comparison.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 6, 2016 9:33:59 GMT
I agree, it feels like it's own show rather than a spinoff. I also agree with Mark's comments about its loosely based (without need) Doctor Who ties quite possibly hampering a show that seems to be attempting to deliver good entertainment on its own not Doctor Who merits - what an ironic notion! On the other hand, I am still coming to terms with my initial disappointment of it not being more overtly Doctor Who related. I suspect that I'm not the only one that made the mistake of wrongly assuming that a "Doctor Who spin-off" wouldn't be heavier connected to the DW parent series. David's last week's (news to me) mentioning of Class being a UK Buffy is an appropriate comparison. I'd still like a Doctor Who spinoff with stronger connections. How about a Paternoster Gang animated series for CBBC, for instance? It would be more affordable than a live-action Paternoster Gang series, especially if it got partial funding from BBC America.
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Post by redsharkJason on Nov 12, 2016 4:38:26 GMT
I also agree with Mark's comments about its loosely based (without need) Doctor Who ties quite possibly hampering a show that seems to be attempting to deliver good entertainment on its own not Doctor Who merits - what an ironic notion! On the other hand, I am still coming to terms with my initial disappointment of it not being more overtly Doctor Who related. I suspect that I'm not the only one that made the mistake of wrongly assuming that a "Doctor Who spin-off" wouldn't be heavier connected to the DW parent series. David's last week's (news to me) mentioning of Class being a UK Buffy is an appropriate comparison. I'd still like a Doctor Who spinoff with stronger connections. How about a Paternoster Gang animated series for CBBC, for instance? It would be more affordable than a live-action Paternoster Gang series, especially if it got partial funding from BBC America. The Paternoster Gang is a highlight creation of the Moffat regime. Don't be cheap; a "live action" Paternoster Gang spin-off on CBBC would be preferable. The BBC revisiting the practice of making animated serial one-offs (e.g. The Infinite Quest and Dreamland) would be DVD purchase supported by me as well.
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Post by redsharkJason on Nov 12, 2016 4:42:34 GMT
I enjoyed the recent episode but I felt it was a bit muddled and poorly explained. I had no idea when watching it why April could suddenly produce Shadow Kin swords out of nowhere and was experiencing rapid mood swings; I was convinced it wasn't explained on-screen but somebody on Twitter pointed out to me it was dealt with in a line of dialogue during the Shadow Kin's realm scene at the beginning. It also felt too much like setting up next week's episode; you could probably just watch episode five and not miss anything. It's too much of a prequel than a story that necessarily needs to parts. I still have no idea what's supposed to have happened to April's mum; my guess is that her legs are cured but again, it wasn't made very clear. It was a pretty confusing episode and could have done with more expositional scenes. Hopefully the next episode conclusion of this 2-parter Class story will *explain* why & what April was doing to her mother while she unexpectedly attacked her?
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 12, 2016 13:02:17 GMT
I'd still like a Doctor Who spinoff with stronger connections. How about a Paternoster Gang animated series for CBBC, for instance? It would be more affordable than a live-action Paternoster Gang series, especially if it got partial funding from BBC America. The Paternoster Gang is a highlight creation of the Moffat regime. Don't be cheap; a "live action" Paternoster Gang spin-off on CBBC would be preferable. The BBC revisiting the practice of making animated serial one-offs (e.g. The Infinite Quest and Dreamland) would be DVD purchase supported by me as well. It would be much cheaper to do an animated series than have the make-up for Strax and Vastra prepared each episode. I enjoyed the recent episode but I felt it was a bit muddled and poorly explained. I had no idea when watching it why April could suddenly produce Shadow Kin swords out of nowhere and was experiencing rapid mood swings; I was convinced it wasn't explained on-screen but somebody on Twitter pointed out to me it was dealt with in a line of dialogue during the Shadow Kin's realm scene at the beginning. It also felt too much like setting up next week's episode; you could probably just watch episode five and not miss anything. It's too much of a prequel than a story that necessarily needs to parts. I still have no idea what's supposed to have happened to April's mum; my guess is that her legs are cured but again, it wasn't made very clear. It was a pretty confusing episode and could have done with more expositional scenes. Hopefully the next episode conclusion of this 2-parter Class story will *explain* why & what April was doing to her mother while she unexpectedly attacked her? You were right, it did.
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