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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 5, 2016 19:33:04 GMT
So, it's very much a thing to say that BF have continually been better than the TV series these last few years, and for some, not entirely without reason.
However, let's turn that upside down and bring about some fresh discussion: what was something you thought that NuWho did comparably better than BF?
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Post by jasonward on Nov 5, 2016 20:45:30 GMT
It's far easier for BF to get it right, and that for many reasons, and those same reasons are basically want makes the TV show what it is.
BF stories leave far more to the imagination, the special effects are amazing, the intimate moments truly intimate. BF makes many more stories per year, when a few turn out to be duds it doesn't matter much. BF makes stories for those that pay to enjoy the stories, that may seem a small difference, but it has a huge impact, unless BF do something so wrong that their customer feel ripped off, they actually have an audience that will accept a few flaws and wrinkles that an audience that doesn't pay does not. BF can appeal to relatively small subset of fans and still be successful, the TV show has to appeal to much larger set of fans and casual watchers to be seen as a success.
What the TV show does well that BF don't is all the above.
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Post by constonks on Nov 5, 2016 21:54:06 GMT
Also, the creative control of the author is far greater at BF. Way less executives to get in the way of a good story.
And yeah, the sheer number of BF releases vs. TV episodes means that BF gets a few classics every year when the show might get one or two.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 6, 2016 9:52:48 GMT
I like Big Finish but in my opinion the new series always delivers better stories. That's not a slight against them (I'm sure they'd agree themselves) but it's just that the new series writers are significantly more experienced. Even the classic series writers who write for Big Finish don't have the same level of experience of Russell T Davies or Steven Moffat. Every Big Finish story is definitely better than Love & Monsters though!
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Post by omega on Nov 6, 2016 10:34:24 GMT
I like Big Finish but in my opinion the new series always delivers better stories. That's not a slight against them (I'm sure they'd agree themselves) but it's just that the new series writers are significantly more experienced. Even the classic series writers who write for Big Finish don't have the same level of experience of Russell T Davies or Steven Moffat. Every Big Finish story is definitely better than Love & Monsters though! That opening sentence contains fighting words. You don't need to have TV experience to write a good story. Many of the writers who came to Doctor Who through the New Adventures novels had that as their first published work, Paul Cornell for example. Some writers in the New Series had their first published Doctor Who in the New Adventures, like Mark Gatiss and Russell T Davies. I'd even suggest that Big Finish rather than the New Series on TV is better for writing as a fan, because there are more creative freedoms and you are appealing to a hardcore fanbase rather than the general TV viewing public. Would Steven Moffat greenlight a return of the Nimon or the Invisible Enemy for TV? Love and Monsters has Jackie Tyler flashing her knickers, that's a lot better than some really, really bad Big Finish stories. |
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Post by omega on Nov 6, 2016 10:39:24 GMT
When it comes to sheer spectacle and epic, the New Series efforts come off better than the Big Finish efforts. There's just something in the visuals of the Dalek fleets or the arrangement of planets in The Stolen Earth/Journey's End with the Murray Gold score booming that can only be pulled off in that medium. Big Finish fare far better with the intimate character dramas. The end of Dark Eyes tried to go for big and epic but it's largely forgettable. Yes, there is the Daleks and the Master, but I need to concentrate to remember what exactly happened.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Nov 6, 2016 10:59:28 GMT
NuWho can't do anything better than BF.
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Post by Whovitt on Nov 6, 2016 11:33:05 GMT
NuWho can't do anything better than BF. I didn't think you'd heard much Big Finish? I thought you more of a Classic TV sort of person  |
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Nov 6, 2016 11:48:43 GMT
NuWho can't do anything better than BF. I didn't think you'd heard much Big Finish? I thought you more of a Classic TV sort of person Well, they do star Classic Doctors! |
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Post by Whovitt on Nov 6, 2016 11:50:13 GMT
I didn't think you'd heard much Big Finish? I thought you more of a Classic TV sort of person Well, they do star Classic Doctors! But if you haven't heard much Big Finish, how can you compare? |
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Nov 6, 2016 12:03:21 GMT
Well, they do star Classic Doctors! But if you haven't heard much Big Finish, how can you compare? How do you know how much BF I've listened to? |
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Post by jasonward on Nov 6, 2016 12:08:15 GMT
NuWho can't do anything better than BF. Ah, nice to see you entered into the spirit of the thread Paul. Did you really need to dump on this thread? Your views are well known, and it's clear from the OP that this thread is not a place for them. |
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Post by Whovitt on Nov 6, 2016 12:09:36 GMT
But if you haven't heard much Big Finish, how can you compare? How do you know how much BF I've listened to? Sorry, I mistook your previous comment to suggest you hadn't. You didn't explicitly answer my question (but I have to admit, I can be bad at reading subtext in writing as opposed to the spoken word). |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 12:20:18 GMT
I like Big Finish but in my opinion the new series always delivers better stories. Always? Really?! Glad you like the new series, but that wouldn't be my opinion. |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 6, 2016 12:21:34 GMT
I like Big Finish but in my opinion the new series always delivers better stories. That's not a slight against them (I'm sure they'd agree themselves) but it's just that the new series writers are significantly more experienced. Even the classic series writers who write for Big Finish don't have the same level of experience of Russell T Davies or Steven Moffat. Every Big Finish story is definitely better than Love & Monsters though! You don't need to have TV experience to write a good story. True. There's no arguing against that. But they still had some form of experience before taking over Doctor Who. Mark Gattis for example was known for League of Gentlemen. Nothing is worse than Love & Monsters IMO. |
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Nov 6, 2016 12:41:16 GMT
NuWho can't do anything better than BF. Ah, nice to see you entered into the spirit of the thread Paul. Did you really need to dump on this thread? Your views are well known, and it's clear from the OP that this thread is not a place for them. Just building on what you said earlier about BF. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 13:05:28 GMT
In the last couple of years Big Finish has been far, far superior, in my opinion.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 6, 2016 13:06:20 GMT
Ah, nice to see you entered into the spirit of the thread Paul. Did you really need to dump on this thread? Your views are well known, and it's clear from the OP that this thread is not a place for them. Just building on what you said earlier about BF. Paul, if you're not actually going to contribute to the thread in any manner that is interesting or mature, might I suggest you spare us the unneeded drama. Stick to Moffat threads where you can harp to your heart´s content and leave members who want to have a proper conversation to do so. |
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Post by jasonward on Nov 6, 2016 13:16:44 GMT
Guys & Gals,
Can we keep this thread on topic? I know that's not something we bother too much about on this Forum, but this thread is clearly created as a space to discuss thoughts and views almost always drowned out by TV series bashing.
If this thread descends into yet another TV bashing thread then it may as well not exist.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 13:20:08 GMT
NuWho can't do anything better than BF. Ah, nice to see you entered into the spirit of the thread Paul. Did you really need to dump on this thread? Your views are well known, and it's clear from the OP that this thread is not a place for them. I thought you were allowed to state opinions here. Positive or negative.  |
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