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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 0:37:54 GMT
Hey everyone,
I can't see why Stephen Moffatt decided not to renumber The Doctors, rather then give The Doctor's Ninth incarnation the rather abriatry title of 'War Doctor'. I don't think it would have been too geeky, particularly in an anniversary year.
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Post by jasonward on Nov 9, 2016 0:44:11 GMT
Because when it comes to telling stories it works far better the way it is.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 0:49:38 GMT
Because when it comes to telling stories it works far better the way it is.
Eh, I don't know what you mean, there? War accepts the mantle of Doctor at the end of The Time of The Doctor. For people who watch the revival from the beginning or even from the start of the original series, it's not much of a spoiler given that neither Nine or Ten refer to themselves as a specific incarnation and Eight seems the type who would try his damndest to hold onto his principles in such a war.
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Post by jasonward on Nov 9, 2016 0:53:07 GMT
I'm talking real world. Names are important to story telling, Darth Vader just would not be the same if he was called Ian.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 0:58:03 GMT
I'm talking real world. Names are important to story telling, Darth Vader just would not be the same if he was called Ian.
Eh, I disagree. He can see be The Ninth Doctor and still be THE Doctor who fought in the Time War.
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Post by jasonward on Nov 9, 2016 1:01:57 GMT
Your making an argument for why things should be different, I'm merely trying to answer your question.
Ask any fiction writer, names are very important to stories and characters.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 1:14:00 GMT
Your making an argument for why things should be different, I'm merely trying to answer your question.
And you did? We're discussing the label. That can include criticism of it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 3:43:31 GMT
Because even though he's eventually forgiven by his successors, the "War Doctor" isn't the Doctor as we know him/them. He abandoned that name for the majority of his life, so sticking him in as the "real" Ninth Doctor in retrospect feels like it does a disservice to both his character and every incarnation after him.
Aside from wanting to put him in positions where he does truly horrific things (thereby actually justifying his reputation rather than relying on hearsay), I really, really want a push for him to be renamed to something like the Renegade or the Forsaken. "War Doctor" as a moniker just doesn't fit what wants to be done with it, it just feels tacked on, which this incarnation unfortunately is.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 4:29:09 GMT
They've been conceived and marketed as certain incarnations, that's not going t change because of in-story canon reasons. For branding, Eccleston is the Ninth Doctor regardless of John Hurt and always will be. No point swimming against the deluge here. You can have head-canon, sure, but there's a reason when Capaldi is merchandised or referred to he's the 12th Doctor.
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Post by omega on Nov 9, 2016 4:58:14 GMT
Because you'll have years of fandom to overcome to actually succeed. We have been ingrained that Christopher Eccleston is the Ninth Doctor. There is so much merchandise that uses this. If you insist on calling him the Tenth Doctor, then there's not all the brand overhaul, but it gets people confused as to if it's the old Tenth Doctor or new Tenth Doctor.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 6:28:58 GMT
Marketing.
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Post by gregm on Nov 9, 2016 6:38:35 GMT
I'd rather un-number the incarnations. There's only one Doctor, and he has many faces.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Nov 9, 2016 12:36:57 GMT
It would be very confusing and also i think it does work for the story. Especially how in some versions of the script, he wasnt even called The War Doctor, he was referred to as The Renegade, which works just as well as saying he didnt believe he was the Doctor during the War
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 12:42:54 GMT
I can't see why Stephen Moffatt decided not to renumber The Doctors, rather then give The Doctor's Ninth incarnation the rather abriatry title of 'War Doctor'.
I can see why! Have you ever seen hundreds of people frothing at the mouth at the same time? If Steven Moffat took it upon himself to renumber the Doctors retrospectively; Nine becomes Ten, Ten becomes Eleven, (etc.)... there would be an outcry among fandom for one, and it would also confuse the hell out of everybody. 'The War Doctor' works, and we all know who we are on about. Why change it? |
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Post by shutupbanks on Nov 10, 2016 11:04:08 GMT
It bugged me for a little while, but given that War only accepts the title of Doctor minutes before he regenerates, I think it's acceptable to think of him as the War Doctor: my bigger concern is 10 regenerating and keeping the same body. I love it for its sheer audacity but it bugs me for messing up the numbering system.
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Post by aztec on Nov 10, 2016 11:06:18 GMT
The proper 9th Doctor is actually Rowan Atkinson  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 15:52:20 GMT
The proper 9th Doctor is actually Rowan Atkinson Well... at least you didn't say R.E.G.! |
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Post by omega on Nov 11, 2016 3:56:37 GMT
The proper 9th Doctor is actually Rowan Atkinson I'll explain later. |
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Nov 11, 2016 10:25:36 GMT
I've never had a problem with Capaldi being number 14.
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Post by Timelord007 on Nov 13, 2016 9:30:03 GMT
The War Doctor is just that & doesn't class himself as the Doctor during ths incarnation.
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