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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2016 4:33:19 GMT
A question for some of our older contributors who have lived through both, what are/were the differences and similarities between the existential fear of the Cold War and our current fears for global warming? Remarkably off-topic, but asking for a friend who is planning to write a paper on the two and wants to get a basic feel for pre-1991 and post-1991 Soviet dissolution. People from the United Kingdom, America, Canada, Australia, all walks of life.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2016 6:30:33 GMT
Wow, tough question over breakfast coffee.
To me there's no comparison. Being told at school that if Sirens go off you should paint over your windows, cover your bath with internal doors and.hide in said bath, all within four minutes or you're dead. Well, maybe that's why I can't take seriously the "threat" posed by global warming - it'll get warmer with aome flooding and there'll be less polar bears.
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Post by acousticwolf on Nov 22, 2016 9:06:48 GMT
Wow, tough question over breakfast coffee. To me there's no comparison. Being told at school that if Sirens go off you should paint over your windows, cover your bath with internal doors and.hide in said bath, all within four minutes or you're dead. That is the most terrifying thing I remember back then. Amazingly really we managed to live day to day - the Cold War was everywhere and a very real threat. Global Warming may be serious but it's more remote and doesn't affect "us" on the same level. That sounds complacent and it's not meant to, I worry about how fast warming is happening but it really isn't the same and I don't think you can compare the two. Cheers Tony
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There’s a horror movie called Alien? That’s really offensive. No wonder everyone keeps invading you.
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Post by shutupbanks on Nov 22, 2016 10:30:26 GMT
I remember when the film adaptation of Watchmen came out and I read several reviews of it that I could tell were written by people who had been born since it had originally been published because they didn't get the fear and paranoia that some characters had about a possible nuclear war. It really made me feel old and also grateful that we lived in more peaceful times. I came of age in the dying days of the Cold War but I do remember the fear of attack and the peril that we lived under even after 40-something years of Mutually Assured Destruction and nothing happening. It really was everywhere: the fear of nuclear apocalypse was present in almost every genre or thriller series (and quite a few mainstream ones as well - Threads, The Day After) and it lives on in the fear that some people (myself included) have of having a madman in charge of the US or Russia. I think that MAD was probably part of what kept so many people prepared to negotiate and compromise for some kind of change to occur and now that that particular fear has receded we are less open to modifying our goals.
And then it was replaced with the fear of Climate Change which is a doddle compared to nuclear war: decades to prepare for fearsome, horrifying change rather than minutes? Yes, please! But the more I found out about the possible effects of doing nothing to change our practices, the more I'm reminded of Mr Eliot's line about the world ending, "not with a bang but a whimper."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 10:25:51 GMT
Thanks to all, it's been great in helping my friend gain some traction on her work. Here's my take on it: It's interesting to see the changes between the two mentalities. Even nowadays I find the concept of the Cold War absolutely terrifying. Two overstrung nations, paralysed by fear and fingers poised to annihilate one another. No possibility of reprieve, no chance of a "limited" nuclear exchange and it was only down to people like Stanislav Yevgrafovich Petrov who chose not to retaliate, even when their early warning systems had detected an attack. The remarkable deluge of fear circulating between the Western and Eastern Blocs makes the whole situation seem utterly insane in retrospect, yet for many decades it was considered a norm. Sometimes in certain political climates it was even encouraged. There's a distinctive fatalistic streak running through the latter decade too, despite perestroika and other efforts that were actually causing the Cold War to cool down significantly. Having read media from the period, it seems like people thought that World War III was inevitable with humanity just being a flash in the pan. Then you look at the worries behind climatical acceleration and the consideration is a great deal more Asiatic than traditionally European in approach. The understanding that it isn't we who will suffer, but our children who will be forced to live in that environment. The difference between having a gun pointed at your head and wandering around the desert slowly dying of thirst, I guess. It's difficult to comment on being right in the middle of it and it doesn't have a face like the Cold War did. There is no single community that can be accused and, from an anthropological standpoint, human collective groups are very, very bad at fixing a problem without attributing blame. You can look at a number of recent and ancient crises that would have been very easily resolved if people had sat down and solved it rather than bicker about who was responsible. The issue doesn't seem to be about fear in this case, it's human greed. There are papers you can read where scientists have despaired because they've concluded that it is possible to change the world, but it is impossible to change the human condition. Of course in that respect, we've reached a turning point. It's no longer about saving the environment, it's about saving ourselves. Nature will endure, it always does, but it will do so without us and it will be a slow death for our species with no one to step down from the console. The sky will choke and the land will heave and humanity will be less than a drop in the ocean. Our legacy will be to leave a world of drowned and burning children. That's the fear.
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