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Post by paulmorris7777 on Nov 26, 2016 23:49:46 GMT
Well, you could say that there are far more better BF stories than Moffat Produced stories! This is an informative thread. There are other threads on this site where you can vent on Moffat. Isn't this thread explaining why BF writers aren't on NuWho? A show run by Steven Moffat?
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 27, 2016 10:48:47 GMT
Isn't this thread explaining why BF writers aren't on NuWho? A show run by Steven Moffat? Correction: this thread is explaining why BF writers aren't on NuWho, a series with two, going on three, showrunners. This is about the why, not where, who or what.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Nov 27, 2016 12:19:37 GMT
Isn't this thread explaining why BF writers aren't on NuWho? A show run by Steven Moffat? Correction: this thread is explaining why BF writers aren't on NuWho, a series with two, going on three, showrunners. This is about the why, not where, who or what. We have had two Producers, RTD used a BF writer (two, in fact), and plenty Virgin/BBC Books authors, Moffat hasn't used any BF, Virgin, or BBC authors. We don't know what Chibnall will do! I don't have a problem with Moffat being discussed in this thread! BF writers aren't on NuWho because of Moffat!
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 27, 2016 13:16:52 GMT
Correction: this thread is explaining why BF writers aren't on NuWho, a series with two, going on three, showrunners. This is about the why, not where, who or what. We have had two Producers, RTD used a BF writer (two, in fact), and plenty Virgin/BBC Books authors, Moffat hasn't used any BF, Virgin, or BBC authors. We don't know what Chibnall will do! I don't have a problem with Moffat being discussed in this thread! BF writers aren't on NuWho because of Moffat! Second Correction: 'potentially' because of Moffat. Johnathan, I and others have provided alternate reasons here which I'm not going to restate to avoid redundancy, and which a casual google search on television practices will happily corroborate. Why you stubbornly refuse to do your homework if you want to debate, I can't understand.
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Post by shutupbanks on Nov 27, 2016 14:36:05 GMT
Are you sure that it's entirely because of Moffat? Nucleus and Morris have both been pretty straightforward with their explanations while you've just gone over the same ground you've gone over in many other threads.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Nov 27, 2016 14:45:23 GMT
Are you sure that it's entirely because of Moffat? Nucleus and Morris have both been pretty straightforward with their explanations while you've just gone over the same ground you've gone over in many other threads. Moffat is the Showrunner. Who else makes the decisions?
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 27, 2016 15:26:49 GMT
Are you sure that it's entirely because of Moffat? Nucleus and Morris have both been pretty straightforward with their explanations while you've just gone over the same ground you've gone over in many other threads. Moffat is the Showrunner. Who else makes the decisions? The BBC Controller, heads of department, agents, unions, time itself on when a writer can or can't, regulations regarding screenwriting practices in the UK, copyright laws.... do you really want the whole list? Do you need more examples of Moffat and other showrunners being overruled by their networks (like the business with Victorian Clara)? Why do I have to do your work for you? Fire up Yahoo or Google and look it up. Research is your friend. Being informed is your friend.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Nov 27, 2016 16:30:10 GMT
Moffat is the Showrunner. Who else makes the decisions? The BBC Controller, heads of department, agents, unions, time itself on when a writer can or can't, regulations regarding screenwriting practices in the UK, copyright laws.... do you really want the whole list? Do you need more examples of Moffat and other showrunners being overruled by their networks (like the business with Victorian Clara)? Why do I have to do your work for you? Fire up Yahoo or Google and look it up. Research is your friend. Being informed is your friend. So, everyones to blame except Steven Moffat?
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 27, 2016 16:38:55 GMT
I'm just going to put up this buffer, for the sake of future commenters: this is not the 'judge Moffat' thread. This is not the place for you to wax on him or Chibnail or the quality/potential quality of their output. This thread exists to provide possible explanations as to why we haven't seen more BF writers make the jump to New Who, of which there are several, including some provided by a BF writer themselves.
This is not about the direction of the series or what I or you do or don't like. This is not about who you or I would hire. This is not about if you or I agree with BBC or BF practices. This thread is simple concerned with the facts and giving some insight into why things are the way they are. If you want those discussions, kindly take them elsewhere on more relevant threads.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 27, 2016 16:54:21 GMT
The quality of Big Finish is such that I sometimes consider writing for it to be more of an achievement than the television series. Jonny Morris has done fine work where he is, both in print and audio, and we're glad to have him in the BF regular stable. The same is true of John Dorney, Jacqueline Rayner, Marc Platt, Lance Parkin, Nick Briggs, Barnaby Edwards and every other writer who hasn't yet made the transition to television. We get more of them at BF than we would from NuWho anyway, purely because of the difference between that forty-five minute timeslot and two disc storage capacity. I want to build on wolfie's remarks and add some additional reasons: 1) Even if they have been approached, legally, they have no reason to or can't tell us: writers involved in upcoming projects are usually made to sign Non Disclosure Agreements (NDAs, which you anime fans may recognize from dub actor panels), meaning they cannot talk about the project until such time as the company behind it sees fit, usually when a new series is coming up. This is usually done for promotional purposes, to keep control of information. Say Moffat spoke to Fitton or Smith for S10, or Chibail has approached Dorney or Platt or whoever for S11: They wouldn't be able to tell us anyway. 2) Going back to competition, how many writers already working in television, not including celebrity names like Gaiman and Boyce, have pitched to Moffat and his team for a slot? How much time do you think it takes for writers to be selected, never mind how many? Maybe Dollard or Mathieson pitched better than say, Morris did. 3) Maybe they just don't want to. Maybe BF writers have been approached before and said no, or don't feel writing for the TV series would be beneficial to their careers. Maybe they feel working on their next original novel or play is more worthwhile than the pressures of scripting for a prime time global series. Maybe they don't like or agree with Moffat or Chibnail's vision, and feel BF is more up their alley. Maybe they don't want a career path into TV. Maybe it's even more personal: perhaps Platt feels he's too old to write for the series, or Smith was burnt out by his early attempts at a writing career and doesn't want to go through it again, for example.
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Post by icecreamdf on Nov 27, 2016 22:53:52 GMT
Again, this is not about who is better. This is an informative thread, meant to dispel a common misconception. There are other ones on this site where you can vent on Gatiss and his output. Well, you could say that there are far more better BF stories than Moffat Produced stories! You could also say that there are far more BF stories than Moffat Produced stories!
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Post by shutupbanks on Nov 28, 2016 1:21:58 GMT
Are you sure that it's entirely because of Moffat? Nucleus and Morris have both been pretty straightforward with their explanations while you've just gone over the same ground you've gone over in many other threads. Moffat is the Showrunner. Who else makes the decisions? OK, I live in Australia, but even here I've heard about the difficulties that Mr Moffat has had running the show because of the perceived funding threats to the BBC from the government as well as the run-ins with higher-ups over the 50th and other duties. Let's put it into perspective: the most famous "showrunner" in history is probably Gene Roddenberry, creator of Star Trek. There are detailed accounts of how he fought to keep Spock on the show, of how he compromised over other details (like a woman on the bridge, the inter-racial kiss), and how he struggled to keep the show afloat and then build a career afterwards. Joss Whedon, one of the most recognisable names in the entertainment world, followed up an amazing Buffy/Angel-led decade of television with his next show (Firefly) being cancelled before it had even limped through a series with episodes being broadcast out of order and at different times and the show after that (Dollhouse) getting only two seasons despite a large fan following. He even wrote and directed the biggest movie in the world (The Avengers) and STILL found himself being shackled by decisions from on-high when directing its sequel. Eric Idle (Monty Python) acted in a sit-com called Nearly Departed in 1989 and hated it: the network sat on the pilot for eighteen months, then requested five more episodes with a months notice and killed it after four episodes had been broadcast. The showrunner has an immense amount of power, but they have bosses too.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Dec 6, 2016 1:35:26 GMT
Moffat is the Showrunner. Who else makes the decisions? OK, I live in Australia, but even here I've heard about the difficulties that Mr Moffat has had running the show because of the perceived funding threats to the BBC from the government as well as the run-ins with higher-ups over the 50th and other duties. Let's put it into perspective: the most famous "showrunner" in history is probably Gene Roddenberry, creator of Star Trek. There are detailed accounts of how he fought to keep Spock on the show, of how he compromised over other details (like a woman on the bridge, the inter-racial kiss), and how he struggled to keep the show afloat and then build a career afterwards. Joss Whedon, one of the most recognisable names in the entertainment world, followed up an amazing Buffy/Angel-led decade of television with his next show (Firefly) being cancelled before it had even limped through a series with episodes being broadcast out of order and at different times and the show after that (Dollhouse) getting only two seasons despite a large fan following. He even wrote and directed the biggest movie in the world (The Avengers) and STILL found himself being shackled by decisions from on-high when directing its sequel. Eric Idle (Monty Python) acted in a sit-com called Nearly Departed in 1989 and hated it: the network sat on the pilot for eighteen months, then requested five more episodes with a months notice and killed it after four episodes had been broadcast. The showrunner has an immense amount of power, but they have bosses too. All very good examples. Moffat isn't without someone higher to answer to.
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Post by TimPendragon on Dec 11, 2016 23:10:26 GMT
The only people seeming to "not get it" here are those who lack even a basic understanding of how the television industry works...
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Dec 11, 2016 23:35:17 GMT
The only people seeming to "not get it" here are those who lack even a basic understanding of how the television industry works... Truth. End of thread.
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Post by mrperson on Dec 12, 2016 23:15:18 GMT
The only people seeming to "not get it" here are those who lack even a basic understanding of how the television industry works... I really don't mean to aim the following at anyone in particular, but it may inevitably be taken that way: I simply cannot understand how someone without expertise in an area can convince themselves that they can make an objectively rational counter-point to someone who obviously does have quite a bit of experience in that area. (This statement flows less from this thread and a lot more from the various arguments I have on a political debate forum, where I have noted what I would call new ludditeism. It's not so much a rejection of technology and machinery, but a rejection of the very concept of expertise and economic specialization. And I think it's ridiculous.
Yes, we should be wary of people who tell us that they are "experts" and then proceed to tell us what we need to do. But being wary just means making what reasonable investigation one can of one's own into that expertise, the general consensus among such experts, the issues that aren't settled between experts in those fields, etc. It doesn't mean thinking that one can legitimately go toe to toe with an expert from a position of ignorance, simply by voicing opinions).
All of which is an overblown way of saying that if someone definitely in the field says something I cannot contradict with basic research, chances are I'm going to listen. There are also instances where the person speaks from obvious experience without perhaps publicly identifying themselves, as at least one person in the industry among our fellow posters has in the past (on the old forum?).
If Jonathan Morris explains things, who the hell am I to argue? I don't know anything about the industry.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Dec 13, 2016 12:38:06 GMT
The only people seeming to "not get it" here are those who lack even a basic understanding of how the television industry works... I really don't mean to aim the following at anyone in particular, but it may inevitably be taken that way: I simply cannot understand how someone without expertise in an area can convince themselves that they can make an objectively rational counter-point to someone who obviously does have quite a bit of experience in that area. All of which is an overblown way of saying that if someone definitely in the field says something I cannot contradict with basic research, chances are I'm going to listen. There are also instances where the person speaks from obvious experience without perhaps publicly identifying themselves, as at least one person in the industry among our fellow posters has in the past (on the old forum?).
If Jonathan Morris explains things, who the hell am I to argue? I don't know anything about the industry.
Because some people don't known when merely expressing an opinion on someone's work stops, and then making up or twisting facts starts. It's extraordinary how, in the digital age we live in, people still willfully refuse to be informed about a subject despite it being a few buttons presses away.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Dec 13, 2016 16:28:50 GMT
The only people seeming to "not get it" here are those who lack even a basic understanding of how the television industry works... Well, its actually all speculation! Do you work for the BBC, or the DW Production team?
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Dec 13, 2016 23:24:45 GMT
The only people seeming to "not get it" here are those who lack even a basic understanding of how the television industry works... Well, its actually all speculation! Do you work for the BBC, or the DW Production team? Do you use Google or Yahoo to do research? Or do you refuse to because 'teh Moffatz'?
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Dec 14, 2016 0:25:02 GMT
Well, its actually all speculation! Do you work for the BBC, or the DW Production team? Do you use Google or Yahoo to do research? Or do you refuse to because 'teh Moffatz'? Do you believe everything you read on the internet?
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