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Post by Audio Watchdog on Dec 14, 2016 0:27:34 GMT
The only people seeming to "not get it" here are those who lack even a basic understanding of how the television industry works... Well, its actually all speculation! Do you work for the BBC, or the DW Production team? Are you really that dense or is it just internet message board performance art?
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Post by TimPendragon on Dec 14, 2016 9:34:41 GMT
And this is why I hate people. And internet forums. And internet forums made up of people. Discourse at a playground level.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Dec 14, 2016 11:00:47 GMT
Do you use Google or Yahoo to do research? Or do you refuse to because 'teh Moffatz'? Do you believe everything you read on the internet? Because the BBC, countless production companies, producers, screenwriters, directors would really lie about their craft, and this would also include books, documentaries, courses, training programmes and even just casual production crews in conversation to also be lying. Which also means you're calling Johnathan a liar, and anyone else from BF who has ever spoken about working on the TV show. I guarantee that if this was about Bob Holmes, you'd be falling over yourself to get facts right, But because it's Moffat, you'd rather be a child and insult everyone affiliated with the programme (and don't you dare say you don't: your own posts archive indicts you).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 11:52:23 GMT
And this is why I hate people. And internet forums. And internet forums made up of people. Discourse at a playground level. Honestly, we're normally far better than this. Most recently, there's been discussions on the nature of appropriate television viewing for children, the nature of morality in regards to The Talons of Weng-Chiang, a twenty-year-old problem concerning looms vs. natural birth was solved on the Lungbarrow discussion thread, a page for people to discuss the flaws and virtues of the TV Movie, there's even a page if you want a giggle. Most tellingly, we've even got a page dedicated to which forumgoers' opinions have changed over time that you can find here.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Dec 14, 2016 12:48:32 GMT
And this is why I hate people. And internet forums. And internet forums made up of people. Discourse at a playground level. Honestly, we're normally far better than this. Most recently, there's been discussions on the nature of appropriate television viewing for children, the nature of morality in regards to The Talons of Weng-Chiang, a twenty-year-old problem concerning looms vs. natural birth was solved on the Lungbarrow discussion thread, a page for people to discuss the flaws and virtues of the TV Movie, there's even a page if you want a giggle. Most tellingly, we've even got a page dedicated to which forumgoers' opinions have changed over time that you can find here.This. This is what I like seeing. Positive contributions to the discussion that aren't about belittling or starting cheap fights.
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Post by Ela on Dec 16, 2016 6:36:22 GMT
It takes two to tango. That's all I'm saying.
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Post by Timelord007 on Dec 16, 2016 8:06:58 GMT
I prefer Big Finish writers to the current NuWho writer's, it's obvious that John Dorney, Jonathan Morris & many other great writers have great passion for Doctor Who which comes across in there stories, i just don't feel that with the current run of tv episodes.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Dec 16, 2016 10:56:39 GMT
I prefer Big Finish writers to the current NuWho writer's, it's obvious that John Dorney, Jonathan Morris & many other great writers have great passion for Doctor Who which comes across in there stories, i just don't feel that with the current run of tv episodes. Which is a perfectly fine viewpoint to have, and not one I have a single qualm with. As said, this thread is simply to provide some clarity on a topic.
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Post by aztec on Dec 17, 2016 10:06:52 GMT
I prefer Big Finish writers to the current NuWho writer's, it's obvious that John Dorney, Jonathan Morris & many other great writers have great passion for Doctor Who which comes across in there stories, i just don't feel that with the current run of tv episodes. I agree that they are all great writers, but it seems unfair to argue Moffat etc don't have a passion for Who merely because the stories aren't to your liking, for me personally Series 8 and 9 have been some of my favourites since the show returned and I find the Capaldi era much more in keeping with how I like my Who than the Tennant years. But each to their own. Now a Dorney Capaldi script that would be exiciting...
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Post by mrperson on Dec 17, 2016 20:17:59 GMT
I prefer Big Finish writers to the current NuWho writer's, it's obvious that John Dorney, Jonathan Morris & many other great writers have great passion for Doctor Who which comes across in there stories, i just don't feel that with the current run of tv episodes. I agree that they are all great writers, but it seems unfair to argue Moffat etc don't have a passion for Who merely because the stories aren't to your liking, for me personally Series 8 and 9 have been some of my favourites since the show returned and I find the Capaldi era much more in keeping with how I like my Who than the Tennant years. But each to their own. Now a Dorney Capaldi script that would be exiciting... I know you're responding to him but I'll put in my two cents anyway: I do not necessarily think Moffat et. al. lack passion, I just tend to dislike the ways in which they are passionate. (But at the same time, there are plenty of episodes I love. Heaven Sent, and the Flood/Lake one from S9, for example)
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Dec 18, 2016 23:26:22 GMT
Let's use another example: Adrian Poynton and Dethras. The man had his own BBC series (White Van Man), complete with an American remake, so he would've had more than enough clout to ask Moffat for a shot. Yet, he's writing for BF instead.
It's not impossible to imagine, for the sake of argument, Dethras having started life as being intended for Capaldi, or possibly even Smith (the premise reminds me a little of Cold War, so an earlier incarnation of Dethras could've been pitched for S7 and then rejected, like Illegal Alien v Curse of Fenric) but was retooled for Tom for any of the previously provided reasons (time, pitching, competition, too similar and close to another episode, disagreements in vision, Poynton being a BF fan), if it was ever not originally an audio play.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jan 8, 2017 19:07:11 GMT
From the olistra thread:
Jan 8, 2017 18:21:07 GMT aztec said:
More to the point, I think (I might be wrong) the BBC charter would probably block an appearance from a major BF character, as I understand it because the BBC is mostly publicly funded its charter rules that a program made by the BBC cannot be made with a purely commercial intent, or strongly reference or include characters/arcs/plot points from other companies productions as it could be seen as the BBC being impartial and advertising another companies work- some viewers might feel cheated that they aren't getting the full picture and have to fork out for audio dramas to understand Olistras's history and others might see it as the BBC being greedy and using her apperance to cross promote Big Finish and make more money in a round about way. ------------------- aztec sort of provides another possible theory on the question of BF writers not moving to NuWho: it's not impossible to also imagine the Beeb don't want a corssing of gene pools, lest they fear writing unions start accusing them of favouritisim. 'Oh, I write x number of soaps and daytime TV, and a guy who's never done that, and writes books and audios instead, gets chosen over me!'
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jun 3, 2017 0:10:49 GMT
Just a reminder for the sake of future commenters: this is not the 'judge Moffat' thread. This is not the place for you to wax on him or Chibnail or the quality/potential quality of their output. This thread exists to provide possible explanations as to why we haven't seen more BF writers make the jump to New Who, of which there are several, including some provided by a BF writer themselves.
This is not about the direction of the series or what I or you do or don't like. This is not about who you or I would hire. This is not about if you or I agree with BBC or BF practices. This thread is simple concerned with the facts and giving some insight into why things are the way they are. If you want those discussions, kindly take them elsewhere on more relevant threads.
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