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Post by relativetime on Dec 7, 2016 5:46:00 GMT
When I first started watching Classic Doctor Who, I watched Attack of the Cybermen. I didn't get through even half of it and I remember saying to a few friends that I just wasn't all that interested in Colin Baker's Doctor and couldn't see myself ever enjoying a story with him in it. Boy has that changed!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 12:03:02 GMT
I'd watched original Who as a kid. I convinced myself it was for kids and stopped until one day, perhaps around 2008, I was lying sick on the couch, flipping through channels, and stumbled across the new series. Reassessing the material as an adult, I have trouble stomaching the proposition that it's for children. No, it's something that children can enjoy but which adults can get more out of than children can. Well, that was certainly the intent. I remember Verity Lambert saying in the commentary for The Dalek Invasion of Earth that they were making an adult programme without the gratuity. In fact, just look at that second Dalek story. Merely twenty years on from the Second World War and they have a story purportedly aimed exclusively at children that is about cruelty, selfishness, sacrifice, brutality, revenge, cowardice and the evils of totalitarianism. Steeped deeply in imagery from that particular era. It's a story that starts with a man ripping off his metallic headpiece and walking straight into water to drown himself and ends with a great deal many people picking over the rubble in a deeply uncertain world. Children can be remarkably intelligent creatures though, I think the worst thing that the show can do is write down to its audience. They respect you a great deal more when you don't baby them, particularly in regards to fiction.
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Post by sailorhaumea on Dec 18, 2016 22:40:33 GMT
In my eyes the War Chief has always been the Master. The Monk on the other hand is an entirely different entity and is not the same Cheers Tony This is my belief as well.
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Post by CookieMaster on Dec 19, 2016 13:02:35 GMT
I used to really believe in the Master/War Chief business about 5 years ago, then i saw how it can be taken too far (FAR too far) and I stepped back in horror. I'm talking about wide-eyed, gut-wrenching terror at the thought of spending one's days searching through ancient issues of DWM for random quotes from long departed Doctor Who floor managers. These days i make a real effort to avoid getting too into any fan theories, so in effect i've become the antithesis of the thread title. It's actually quite relaxing when you decide not to care so much, that being said it would take an actual 'official' Doctor Who release to get me back on board with the aforementioned theory, so i guess the door isn't closed in that sense.
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Post by Timelord007 on Dec 19, 2016 17:48:42 GMT
I'm becoming disinterested in the current series of Doctor Who, I'm not as enthusiastic about watching it as i once was & i don't care if i don't watch the Christmas special.
Whether this is down to my depression & how i feel at this time of year but in the 36 yrs being a fan my love for the show has never wavered until recently, i sold my figures as my ocd precludes me from enjoying them & i felt no emotion of sadness in selling them.
I'm still loving the Big Finish Doctor Who audios though so hopefully this disinterest will pass, i want to feel the passion i once had again.
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There’s a horror movie called Alien? That’s really offensive. No wonder everyone keeps invading you.
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Post by shutupbanks on Dec 19, 2016 23:52:45 GMT
I'm still loving the Big Finish Doctor Who audios though so hopefully this disinterest will pass, i want to feel the passion i once had again. This is how a lot of people feel about the various incarnations of Star Trek: Classic vs Next Gen vs DS9 vs Voyager vs Enterprise. It's how a lot of AC/DC fans feel about Bon Scott vs Brian Johnston. You don't have to love the whole of something to be a fan of it.
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Post by mrperson on Dec 20, 2016 0:30:49 GMT
I'd watched original Who as a kid. I convinced myself it was for kids and stopped until one day, perhaps around 2008, I was lying sick on the couch, flipping through channels, and stumbled across the new series. Reassessing the material as an adult, I have trouble stomaching the proposition that it's for children. No, it's something that children can enjoy but which adults can get more out of than children can. Well, that was certainly the intent. I remember Verity Lambert saying in the commentary for The Dalek Invasion of Earth that they were making an adult programme without the gratuity. In fact, just look at that second Dalek story. Merely twenty years on from the Second World War and they have a story purportedly aimed exclusively at children that is about cruelty, selfishness, sacrifice, brutality, revenge, cowardice and the evils of totalitarianism. Steeped deeply in imagery from that particular era. It's a story that starts with a man ripping off his metallic headpiece and walking straight into water to drown himself and ends with a great deal many people picking over the rubble in a deeply uncertain world. Children can be remarkably intelligent creatures though, I think the worst thing that the show can do is write down to its audience. They respect you a great deal more when you don't baby them, particularly in regards to fiction.When I was in 5th or 6th grade, my parents showed me Peter Brooks' "Mahabharata". It condenses a 28 day festival/play into about 9 hours over three films. It is the Hindu creation myth, but it doesn't prosletize like the Bible. It is pretty much straight philosophy with a religious pretext that can be looked past. It is profound. It is not gratuitous, but many themes are adult-oriented. I watched it many times growing up, once as an adult (and I do hope to find a DVD version some day). It sowed many seeds and likely gets a good share of the credit for why I studied philosophy in college and would have become a proper philosopher were I interested in professional academia.... (the Lord of the Rings books, read to me when I was maybe 6, played a role too. A silly little irrelevant creature, caught up in events beyond his dreams, swearing to march to the deepest pit of hell because and only because it had to be done. Being able to do it and doing it, again, because it was necessary. For all our evil, that is the essence of humanity. If there's any reason we'd be worth saving, it's because of that spark. And of course, the friends who too would march through that hell, simply because it was the right thing to do.). (As did the PBS broadcasts of Classic Who....).
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Post by mrperson on Dec 20, 2016 0:33:11 GMT
I'm becoming disinterested in the current series of Doctor Who, I'm not as enthusiastic about watching it as i once was & i don't care if i don't watch the Christmas special. Whether this is down to my depression & how i feel at this time of year but in the 36 yrs being a fan my love for the show has never wavered until recently, i sold my figures as my ocd precludes me from enjoying them & i felt no emotion of sadness in selling them. I'm still loving the Big Finish Doctor Who audios though so hopefully this disinterest will pass, i want to feel the passion i once had again. From a, I don't know....30 year fan.... nah, it's not you. My interest in TV who has been declining since about S5, which may or may not have to do with the fact that I only discovered there was a new series just before S6 aired.... But, like you say, there's Big Finish. Since I rediscovered this program, Big Finish has been the winner for me. Not even a contest. Try not to dwell on it though. Maybe Chinball will fix things for us, maybe he won't. But there's Big Finish. And Tom Baker is still around, recording somewhere out past Season TEN (Praise him! Praise him with great praise!)....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 2:27:40 GMT
I watched it many times growing up, once as an adult (and I do hope to find a DVD version some day). It sowed many seeds and likely gets a good share of the credit for why I studied philosophy in college and would have become a proper philosopher were I interested in professional academia.... (the Lord of the Rings books, read to me when I was maybe 6, played a role too. A silly little irrelevant creature, caught up in events beyond his dreams, swearing to march to the deepest pit of hell because and only because it had to be done. Being able to do it and doing it, again, because it was necessary. For all our evil, that is the essence of humanity. If there's any reason we'd be worth saving, it's because of that spark. And of course, the friends who too would march through that hell, simply because it was the right thing to do.). (As did the PBS broadcasts of Classic Who....). I think there are three Doctor Who quotes which stuck with me from waaaay back in 2003 when the ABC were broadcasting reruns for the thirtieth anniversary that pretty much defined my childhood: The last one was so fundamentally important because it dealt with what was a huge taboo subject in media -- failure and an important aspect of failure at that. I know adults who fail to grasp why the Doctor doesn't change history, but for me it crystallised in an instant as a child... Without that horrible tragedy, there would not be a greater triumph. Knowing the terrible fate of the Aztecs was what inspired Barbara to try and make things right however she could. She could not succeed with their world because from her perspective it was already written, it was a part of her, but the weight of history did not prevent her from trying elsewhere with people who could be helped, whose lives weren't set in blood and ink. Had they shied away from that important life lesson, I don't think I would have had half the emotional maturity I do nowadays. In fact, the First Doctor himself was one of the most valuable demonstrations of people choosing to be who they were. I don't think he was innately good, I think he had to learn to throw off his own people's prejudices about "ignorant savages" and start taking stock of the lives throughout time and space that deserved an opportunity for freedom and happiness. I'm becoming disinterested in the current series of Doctor Who, I'm not as enthusiastic about watching it as i once was & i don't care if i don't watch the Christmas special. Whether this is down to my depression & how i feel at this time of year but in the 36 yrs being a fan my love for the show has never wavered until recently, i sold my figures as my ocd precludes me from enjoying them & i felt no emotion of sadness in selling them. I'm still loving the Big Finish Doctor Who audios though so hopefully this disinterest will pass, i want to feel the passion i once had again. From a, I don't know....30 year fan.... nah, it's not you. My interest in TV who has been declining since about S5, which may or may not have to do with the fact that I only discovered there was a new series just before S6 aired.... But, like you say, there's Big Finish. Since I rediscovered this program, Big Finish has been the winner for me. Not even a contest. Try not to dwell on it though. Maybe Chinball will fix things for us, maybe he won't. But there's Big Finish. Twenty-one here and I'm feeling it too. Doctor Who has changed so much over fifty years, evolving from science fiction to science fantasy and cycling through over a dozen actors, each with their own unique interpretation of the character, but there's been something about these most recent years that've made me wander elsewhere. Midway through Matt Smith's run I started looking at BBV audios, fan comics and other really obscure elements that have cropped up over the years (Hello, Audio Visuals). I even started reading digitised copies of the old TV Comic stories with John and Gillian because I was so disinterested in what was on television at that moment. I got really, really angry with The Day of the Doctor actually because of what it did to the destruction of Gallifrey. After all, don't we have things in our lives we regret? Things we are ashamed of, that we wish we could go back and redo? Picture that incident and imagine how galling it would be for someone to tell you that it doesn't matter. Your pain is meaningless, your trauma just a stupid fantasy. It's why we get so annoyed by reset buttons in fiction because real life has no such switch. It's a cheat and a lie. It demeans the New Series as a whole because suddenly all of the strength that the Doctors derived from the War, the friends he made and the worlds he saved because he chose to pick himself up and march on regardless... is rendered meaningless. It's that "back from the dead" mentality. Often when something is lost, it is lost permanently. Forever. Even if you do somehow manage to find it again, it isn't the same as it once was. There are consequences to that loss. Besides, with all the effort thrown at trying to recapture that, who's to say that you can't make something even better with what you have now? Why aren't we allowed to see the strength of character that can be drawn from such an event? Why rewrite history and belittle those triumphs by erasing the tragedy? That's when I officially jumped ship, I think. Barring Star Trek: Voyager, there has never been a series that has made me legitimately angry with what I saw at the time as blatant self-sabotage. Fingers crossed for Chris Chibnall's new era.
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Post by Ela on Dec 20, 2016 5:04:12 GMT
Maybe Chinball will fix things for us, maybe he won't. But there's Big Finish. Ha. "Chinball." I'm trying not to laugh too much. And failing.
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Post by Timelord007 on Dec 20, 2016 9:08:47 GMT
I'm becoming disinterested in the current series of Doctor Who, I'm not as enthusiastic about watching it as i once was & i don't care if i don't watch the Christmas special. Whether this is down to my depression & how i feel at this time of year but in the 36 yrs being a fan my love for the show has never wavered until recently, i sold my figures as my ocd precludes me from enjoying them & i felt no emotion of sadness in selling them. I'm still loving the Big Finish Doctor Who audios though so hopefully this disinterest will pass, i want to feel the passion i once had again. From a, I don't know....30 year fan.... nah, it's not you. My interest in TV who has been declining since about S5, which may or may not have to do with the fact that I only discovered there was a new series just before S6 aired.... But, like you say, there's Big Finish. Since I rediscovered this program, Big Finish has been the winner for me. Not even a contest. Try not to dwell on it though. Maybe Chinball will fix things for us, maybe he won't. But there's Big Finish. And Tom Baker is still around, recording somewhere out past Season TEN (Praise him! Praise him with great praise!).... If i ever met Tom he's the only person I'd bow down to lol, i adore Tom Baker as the Doctor.
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Post by Timelord007 on Dec 20, 2016 9:09:54 GMT
I'm still loving the Big Finish Doctor Who audios though so hopefully this disinterest will pass, i want to feel the passion i once had again. This is how a lot of people feel about the various incarnations of Star Trek: Classic vs Next Gen vs DS9 vs Voyager vs Enterprise. It's how a lot of AC/DC fans feel about Bon Scott vs Brian Johnston. You don't have to love the whole of something to be a fan of it. That's a great point, i hadn't thought of it like that.
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