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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 7:30:38 GMT
That's true, I think one easily feeds into the other though. His first priority would definitely be the return of those still left alive following the games, but what's to stop the War Lords from using the knowledge they have already gleaned from their former Chief to continue on their own path? They may perhaps even have enough information to kidnap another Time Lord or time sensitive species capable of understanding the technology. Let's not forget that Genesis of the Daleks happened because the Time Lords had foreseen a future where the Daleks had won outright and wanted to eliminate the threat in its cradle, despite their continual defeat at the hands of the Doctor. There have also been instances where the problem was eliminated at its source as well. Remembrance of the Daleks ended with him annihilating their homeworld and Axos was enough of a threat that the Doctor did not allow it to go on burying its claws into the soil of other verdant worlds. I don't think the aliens knew enough about time travel technology to make their own time machines. That's why the War Chief was around, and that is why it was so important that the SIDRATs were breaking down. The Doctor will sometimes ultimately defeat an enemy (like the Axons), but usually that's only if its the only way to stop their current invasion. The reason he put Axos in a time loop was to stop it from invading Earth. That just happened to also prevent them from invading anywhere else. Usually his goal is to stop the bad guys from doing whatever they're doing-not to stop them from ever doing anything bad again. It wasn't necessary for the Doctor to destroy Skaro in Remembrance (he could have programmed the Hand to just destroy the Imperial and Renegade ships near Earth), but the Seventh Doctor does things a bit differently than most other Doctors. And he does feel more than a bit guilty about it in the VNAs. Actually, Enemy of the Daleks sums up that sentiment pretty well in his reprise of "Do I have the right?" Probably not, but I'm doing it anyway. My conscience can take the strain if it means more lives are saved in the long run. He was all about that bigger picture, often to the point where he'd forgotten about the "small, beautiful things". Not originally, but the point I'm trying to make is that we don't really know how much they know now as a result of the War Chief or how long the War Games were going on before the Doctor stumbled upon them. They're an exception in that we aren't actually aware of their full capabilities and even with the SIDRATs exhausted, they may just need time to manufacture another. I'd bring Timewyrm: Exodus into this, but I think that'd be cheating on my part.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Dec 15, 2016 11:20:29 GMT
What actually happened to the War Lords homeworld in the end?
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Post by mark687 on Dec 15, 2016 11:42:54 GMT
What actually happened to the War Lords homeworld in the end? Time-looped
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Dec 15, 2016 11:46:00 GMT
What actually happened to the War Lords homeworld in the end? Time-looped
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Ah cool. Thanks Mark
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Post by icecreamdf on Dec 15, 2016 12:35:23 GMT
What actually happened to the War Lords homeworld in the end? Time-looped
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I thought the Time Lords put a force field around their planet.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 12:41:14 GMT
Time-looped
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I thought the Time Lords put a force field around their planet. I thought it was both...? General temporal shenanigans ensued.
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Post by mark687 on Dec 15, 2016 12:49:15 GMT
Time-looped
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I thought the Time Lords put a force field around their planet. The wording was along the lines of "A force field has placed around your planet. you and it will be locked in a single moment of repeating time".
= Time-Loop or as Wolfie says both views are vailed.
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Post by icecreamdf on Dec 15, 2016 13:33:40 GMT
I thought the Time Lords put a force field around their planet. The wording was along the lines of "A force field has placed around your planet. you and it will be locked in a single moment of repeating time".
= Time-Loop or as Wolfie says both views are vailed.
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That makes sense.
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Post by Ela on Dec 16, 2016 6:30:39 GMT
They didn't use the word time loop or say it was a single moment of repeating time, per se. They said, "A force field has been placed around you, and around your planet, so that your warlike people will remain prisoners forever. You have been found guilty of all charges, and you and your murderous associates will be dematerialised. It will be as though you had never existed."
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Post by icecreamdf on Dec 16, 2016 6:32:44 GMT
They didn't use the word time loop or say it was a single moment of repeating time, per se. They said, "A force field has been placed around you, and around your planet, so that your warlike people will remain prisoners forever. You have been found guilty of all charges, and you and your murderous associates will be dematerialised. It will be as though you had never existed." That's what I thought. I always took that to mean that the homeworld was locked in a forcefield, and the aliens who were on Gallifrey were dematted (even though the Key of Rassilon was still missing).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 12:29:24 GMT
They didn't use the word time loop or say it was a single moment of repeating time, per se. They said, "A force field has been placed around you, and around your planet, so that your warlike people will remain prisoners forever. You have been found guilty of all charges, and you and your murderous associates will be dematerialised. It will be as though you had never existed." That's what I thought. I always took that to mean that the homeworld was locked in a forcefield, and the aliens who were on Gallifrey were dematted (even though the Key of Rassilon was still missing). I flipped through Doctor Who and the War Games and it doesn't seem to be mentioned there either. I wonder if it came from Exodus or another story? I always thought the dematerialisation of the War Lord and his associates was by something similar to the termination chamber we saw in Arc of Infinity. The Time Lords had the ability, but it couldn't be made compact, mobile and pinpoint accurate in the same way the demat gun was.
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