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Post by paulmorris7777 on Dec 13, 2016 16:40:38 GMT
No McCoy! Not set in USA! No Jules Verne TARDIS! If Grace were still to be in it, then, more believability from her reaction to what is going on! Go with the flow! A better peril, as said earlier, its basically because the Doctor is there! No Master!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 17:05:13 GMT
Make Grace the viewpoint character. McCoy could still be in, but only as a cameo as he undergoes surgery. Keept the Master but drop the Terminator imitation and beef up the menace. Cut all the confusing stuff about who stole whose regenerations, and basically any other stuff you needed to be a fan to understand.
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Post by icecreamdf on Dec 13, 2016 17:07:11 GMT
No McCoy! Not set in USA! No Jules Verne TARDIS! If Grace were still to be in it, then, more believability from her reaction to what is going on! Go with the flow! A better peril, as said earlier, its basically because the Doctor is there! No Master! It probably would have made more sense not to include Seven, but I'm glad that we got to see his regeneration. What's wrong with the USA. The Doctor really needs to come visit more often. I liked the Jules Verne TARDIS. Would you have preferred they had gone with the Classic white console room, something more like the New Series, or something else entirely? I think Grace was believable enough. She didn't just automatically accept aliens and time travel until an alien with crazy eyes spat acid on her arm. There could have been a better peril, or at least a less confusing one. The Master could have been better cast, but he/she is my favorite villain, and I love to see him/her in any story.
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Post by icecreamdf on Dec 13, 2016 17:09:09 GMT
McCoy could still be in, but only as a cameo as he undergoes surgery. He already only had an extended cameo. If they were going to have him in it, I wish they would have given him a bigger role. Even if he still regenerates within the first 20 minutes, give him some more dialogue.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Dec 13, 2016 17:48:11 GMT
McCoy could still be in, but only as a cameo as he undergoes surgery. He already only had an extended cameo. If they were going to have him in it, I wish they would have given him a bigger role. Even if he still regenerates within the first 20 minutes, give him some more dialogue. Smaller role. Get McGann asap!
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Dec 13, 2016 18:10:25 GMT
No McCoy! Not set in USA! No Jules Verne TARDIS! If Grace were still to be in it, then, more believability from her reaction to what is going on! Go with the flow! A better peril, as said earlier, its basically because the Doctor is there! No Master! It probably would have made more sense not to include Seven, but I'm glad that we got to see his regeneration. What's wrong with the USA. The Doctor really needs to come visit more often. I liked the Jules Verne TARDIS. Would you have preferred they had gone with the Classic white console room, something more like the New Series, or something else entirely? I think Grace was believable enough. She didn't just automatically accept aliens and time travel until an alien with crazy eyes spat acid on her arm. There could have been a better peril, or at least a less confusing one. The Master could have been better cast, but he/she is my favorite villain, and I love to see him/her in any story. Hartnells cant be beat.
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Post by icecreamdf on Dec 13, 2016 18:16:45 GMT
He already only had an extended cameo. If they were going to have him in it, I wish they would have given him a bigger role. Even if he still regenerates within the first 20 minutes, give him some more dialogue. Smaller role. Get McGann asap! I think it should have either been no role or a bigger role, but it doesn't seem worth having McCoy in it at all if he just has a small role. They could have just had him played by Paul McGann without a wig.
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Post by icecreamdf on Dec 13, 2016 18:18:56 GMT
It probably would have made more sense not to include Seven, but I'm glad that we got to see his regeneration. What's wrong with the USA. The Doctor really needs to come visit more often. I liked the Jules Verne TARDIS. Would you have preferred they had gone with the Classic white console room, something more like the New Series, or something else entirely? I think Grace was believable enough. She didn't just automatically accept aliens and time travel until an alien with crazy eyes spat acid on her arm. There could have been a better peril, or at least a less confusing one. The Master could have been better cast, but he/she is my favorite villain, and I love to see him/her in any story. Hartnells cant be beat. I love the Classic console rooms too, but I think they needed something a little bit more elaborate for the TV Movie. I like the ones they've been using since The Snowmen. It isn't something completely different, like in the TV Movie, the Eccleston/Tennant era, or Smith's original one, but it is still more modern.
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Post by mark687 on Dec 13, 2016 19:51:29 GMT
Apologies everyone but in the words of Popeye the Sailor "I can stands no more".
Its extremely good
* McGann "gets" it from the start a totally believable Doctor
* McCoy makes it a believable set up and its a brilliant costume
* The console set is geogerse way better than the ones from 2011 onwards
* Ashbroke is a solid companion in the mould of Sarah Jane.
*Sure Roberts camps it up a bit but not as bad as Simm IMO.
*The Kiss never bothered me in the 1st place and it works as spontaneous expression of joy
*Half-Human a device for an American audience can take it or leave it.
* The Dalek inclusion wasn't necessary
In short though, the Film doesn't need fixing
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 21:12:19 GMT
Apologies everyone but in the words of Popeye the Sailor "I can stands no more".
Its extremely good
* McGann "gets" it from the start a totally believable Doctor
* McCoy makes it a believable set up and its a brilliant costume
* The console set is geogerse way better than the ones from 2011 onwards
* Ashbroke is a solid companion in the mould of Sarah Jane.
*Sure Roberts camps it up a bit but not as bad as Simm IMO.
*The Kiss never bothered me in the 1st place and it works as spontaneous expression of joy
*Half-Human a device for an American audience can take it or leave it.
* The Dalek inclusion wasn't necessary
In short though, the Film doesn't need fixing
Regards
mark687 I agree with all those points. I genuinely think the biggest flaw is the viewpoint. RTD knew what he was doing with Rose. He made it a story about a girl who stumbled into an amazing adventure, which immediately made it accessible to a new audience.
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Post by aztec on Dec 13, 2016 21:32:29 GMT
Apologies everyone but in the words of Popeye the Sailor "I can stands no more".
Its extremely good
* McGann "gets" it from the start a totally believable Doctor
* McCoy makes it a believable set up and its a brilliant costume
* The console set is geogerse way better than the ones from 2011 onwards
* Ashbroke is a solid companion in the mould of Sarah Jane.
*Sure Roberts camps it up a bit but not as bad as Simm IMO.
*The Kiss never bothered me in the 1st place and it works as spontaneous expression of joy
*Half-Human a device for an American audience can take it or leave it.
* The Dalek inclusion wasn't necessary
In short though, the Film doesn't need fixing
Regards
mark687 This...the TV Movie has pacing and tonal issues, the story isn't anything special and it's definitely something of an odd beat in the Who canon, but I really enjoy it for what it is-a flawed but very enjoyable and unusual pilot. I honestly have no major feelings on the half human stuff either way, it has an excellent soundtrack, some great cinematography and the Jules Verne esque tardis interior remains my favorite to date, most importantly McGann nails the role from the start (and I personally prefer the hyperactive man squirrel that was the early 8th Doctor over the bitter broken old man he eventually becomes in later stories)...though oddly enough he had already become my favorite Doctor solely through listening to the audios before I had actually seen the TV Movie www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtesEeqRsy4As I'm not creative at all, I'd have simply made it 30 minutes longer, dump the daleks and have Grace and Chang join the Doctor on his travels at the end, I'm glad they included the Mcoy Doctor in the pilot, if only for the simple reason that the BBC may have been more inclined to dump it out of continuity when the show was brought back in 2005, makes you wonder if Big Finish or Virgin books would have done the 'oficial regeneration' for the 7th Doctor instead... ...And I rather liked the Eric Roberts Master, but then I have always been a fan of ham...
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Post by aztec on Dec 13, 2016 21:40:14 GMT
I still think it's a shame that B.F have never been able (or willing to?) to try and secure the rights to use Grace, Chang and the Eric Roberts Master, although it wouldn't necessarily be that interesting visiting a one off companion over 20 years later, Ashbrook and McGann made a great double act in their short amount of screentime together and I think Grace and Chang had some potential as proper companions...
I remeber reading somewhere that Christopher Lloyd was very close to getting cast as Bruce/The Master, which would have been interesting...
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Post by mrperson on Dec 13, 2016 22:23:02 GMT
Love the classic console. Love McGann's.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 2:18:34 GMT
Scrap the nonsense about being half human... I dunno. I think that makes a lot of the Cartmel Masterplan nonsense make more sense. He's more than just another Time Lord because he's also half human. Plus, it works with the more recent hybid arc. It was a development that got fed into the Cartmel Masterplan post- Happy Endings with the revelation that Gallifreyans typically don't have bellybuttons (no umbilical cord because of the looms), yet the Doctor himself does. He was teased cruelly for it by his fellow cousins. There's even speculation that the Other himself was actually human (a tribute to H.G. Wells's The Time Machine, from memory). I do think that the recent attempt at doing a hybrid arc on NuWho was completely unnecessary and actually rather pointless. I mean... What did it really achieve? It made for a good story for The Witch's Familiar, but further on from that it felt like a BBC mandated -- "We must have a story arc this season." Love the classic console. Love McGann's. I'd have loved to see more of that TARDIS redesign than we actually did. DWM did really well with giving us a few glimpses of what such a stone-clad, deeply sublime structure would look like. They put so much effort into the entire room, it's a shame we never got to see most of it. [...] and I personally prefer the hyperactive man squirrel that was the early 8th Doctor [...] ...And I rather liked the Eric Roberts Master, but then I have always been a fan of ham... I think I much prefer the Eighth Doctor we saw in The Dying Days, the DWM comics and early Big Finish stories, not the hyperactive ADD ball of energy we saw in the TV Movie. Someone who had gotten comfortable with themselves, yet still had this remarkable drive to champion and adore life wherever he found it. A man who threw off the shackles of his previous self's detachment and became one of the little people who thrived off the little things that the cosmos had to offer. I also like how the Justin Richards era of BBC books compensated for the Doctor's kiss by going all the way and making him a bisexual character. He also got a bit of a temper, there was a greater emphasis on him mourning the loss of individuals, any individual whether it was his adoptive daughter's guardian or nameless innocents caught up in a manmade flood. I'd definitely have liked to see Charles Dance in the role:
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Dec 14, 2016 10:05:38 GMT
Apologies everyone but in the words of Popeye the Sailor "I can stands no more".
Its extremely good
* McGann "gets" it from the start a totally believable Doctor
* McCoy makes it a believable set up and its a brilliant costume
* The console set is geogerse way better than the ones from 2011 onwards
* Ashbroke is a solid companion in the mould of Sarah Jane.
*Sure Roberts camps it up a bit but not as bad as Simm IMO.
*The Kiss never bothered me in the 1st place and it works as spontaneous expression of joy
*Half-Human a device for an American audience can take it or leave it.
* The Dalek inclusion wasn't necessary
In short though, the Film doesn't need fixing
Regards
mark687 I agree with all those points. I genuinely think the biggest flaw is the viewpoint. RTD knew what he was doing with Rose. He made it a story about a girl who stumbled into an amazing adventure, which immediately made it accessible to a new audience. Grace stumbles into the Doctors life, but RTD made Rose Bad Wolf!
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Post by shutupbanks on Dec 14, 2016 11:51:31 GMT
I agree with all those points. I genuinely think the biggest flaw is the viewpoint. RTD knew what he was doing with Rose. He made it a story about a girl who stumbled into an amazing adventure, which immediately made it accessible to a new audience. Grace stumbles into the Doctors life, but RTD made Rose Bad Wolf! To be fair, we don't know what might have eventually happened to Grace: she might have been just another companion, she might have had the complexity devoted to her that we got with Ace or she could have been Rose. We don't know.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 11:51:57 GMT
I agree with all those points. I genuinely think the biggest flaw is the viewpoint. RTD knew what he was doing with Rose. He made it a story about a girl who stumbled into an amazing adventure, which immediately made it accessible to a new audience. Grace stumbles into the Doctors life, but RTD made Rose Bad Wolf! I was talking solely about the episode Rose.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 11:55:22 GMT
Grace stumbles into the Doctors life, but RTD made Rose Bad Wolf! I was talking solely about the episode Rose. It was a pretty good reintroduction to the series, truth be told. Christopher Eccleston's little moment of truth as he describes how he feels the Earth's rotation still sticks out in my head as a wonderful way of introducing the Doctor's more unearthly characteristics. You really do get the impression that he's far bigger than the man we see in front of us.
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