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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Dec 12, 2016 22:30:41 GMT
okay, it's a dogs breakfast IMO.
it shouldn't have been all "I'm half human" and Master stealing lives etc.
but there are the bones of something good there.
so instead of Master stuff, it's AUTONS.
The gang members Lee has the shoot out with? Their hands drop away to show Auton guns.
Lee is still saved by the TARDIS arriving and the Doctor is still shot. But this time, we don't see inside the TARDIS until much later.
The Autons retreat after failing to retrieve something from the corpses.
Everything else plays out the same as in the TVM, the Doctor dies, Grace quits, the Doctor regenerates and waffles about memory loss etc etc.
lee is revealed to have something alien on him.
Auton paramedics (who squeak like plastic) go looking for Lee.
The park scene us the same, except it's the Doctor recovering his memory of the Autons and ranting about aliens that drives Grace off., who calls for an ambulance. Of course it's the Autons who turn up.
The Doctor pulls an Autons face off leading to "now give me the keys before I shoot myself" and the chase through the city towards the TARDIS.
And here we have the stunning reveal of the TARDIS. The Doctor shows off, and scans the city for Auton/Nestene technology, leading to the Berilium Clock, which is actually a transmitter.
the Doctor is introduced as "Doctor Bowman" again but this time his secret is "I'm here to steal your clock".
As he's fiddling with the clock, half the audience turns, simultaneously and with the plastic squeak to look at the clock. Cue a lot of Auton guns being pointed at the Doctor and Grace. the Doctor dissembles and saves himself and Grace, but not the other party goes who are massacred by the Autons.
they race back to the TARDIS only to find Lee there ALSO trying to get in (having previously stolen the key). The Doctor charms Lee and picks his pocket, finding the Nestene sphere he stole (they're now palm sized).
This leads to a version of the scanner scene, where the Doctor shows that the Nestene homeworld will have an unblocked corridor to Earth at midnight.
The climax is the biggest change, the Doctor climbs to the top of the tallest building in San Fransisco while Grace and Lee use devices designed by the Doctor to disable attacking Autons, while other Autons go on a massacre.
the Doctor succeeded (durr) and offers Grace and Lee a chance to join him, Lee says his life is too dangerous and runs off, Grace reverses the offer as per TVM but this time the Doctor grins and says "how about we flip a coin?" Cue the end music.....
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Post by icecreamdf on Dec 12, 2016 22:43:10 GMT
Without the Master, I think the Nestene would need someone like Channing to act as a main villain. Preferably one who always dresses for thr occassion.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Dec 12, 2016 22:52:44 GMT
Without the Master, I think the Nestene would need someone like Channing to act as a main villain. Preferably one who always dresses for thr occassion. I disagree, its the quintessential hero versus faceless masses story. |
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Post by mrperson on Dec 12, 2016 22:53:39 GMT
Send Dorney back in time to right the script and head off to the pub for a while....
More seriously, I'd have enjoyed it a lot more without the changes to classic "canon" and the Hollywoodization of some aspects of the story. Doesn't the Doctor even kiss Grace at some point, as in, romantically? Or is my memory of it off? I suppose the Master was a panto villain throughout most of the classic run, but this was a different sort of panto and I liked it even less. Just tacky, imo.
But without the movie, I wouldn't have all my BF McGann releases. So the movie was bitter medicine I'm glad to have swallowed.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Dec 12, 2016 23:13:36 GMT
This is what I'd do:
- Remove the 7th Doctor from the narrative completely and have the episode start straight away with the eighth Doctor.
- Replace the Master with the Daleks.
- Have Grace agree to travel with the Doctor at the end of the episode.
- Relocate the special to Scarborough, North Yorkshire instead of San Francisco.
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Post by icecreamdf on Dec 12, 2016 23:24:02 GMT
Without the Master, I think the Nestene would need someone like Channing to act as a main villain. Preferably one who always dresses for thr occassion. I disagree, its the quintessential hero versus faceless masses story. Faceless masses are fine for some normal episodes, but a Doctor Who movie really needs a proper villain. The Master, Davros, or somebody new. |
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Post by mrperson on Dec 12, 2016 23:24:42 GMT
This is what I'd do: - Remove the 7th Doctor from the narrative completely and have the episode start straight away with the eighth Doctor. While I love McCoy, that would probably be a big improvement in terms of removing regeneration and its associated crises from the general infodump provided for the intended audience of new viewers, but it would require substantial reworking of the plot. |
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Post by mrperson on Dec 12, 2016 23:26:06 GMT
Oh. Right.
And I would not have included anything about the bloody DALEKS putting someone of trial, of all races....
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Post by icecreamdf on Dec 12, 2016 23:26:53 GMT
This is what I'd do: - Remove the 7th Doctor from the narrative completely and have the episode start straight away with the eighth Doctor. While I love McCoy, that would probably be a big improvement in terms of removing regeneration and its associated crises from the general infodump provided for the intended audience of new viewers, but it would require substantial reworking of the plot. On the other hand, we would have been missing two regenerations before the anniversary year. At least this way, we have all of the Doctor's regenerations on screen. |
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Post by icecreamdf on Dec 12, 2016 23:27:24 GMT
Oh. Right. And I would not have included anything about the bloody DALEKS putting someone of trial, of all races.... Its not the first time they've done a trial. |
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Post by mrperson on Dec 12, 2016 23:48:37 GMT
Oh. Right. And I would not have included anything about the bloody DALEKS putting someone of trial, of all races.... Its not the first time they've done a trial. If that's from something other than TV or audio (or if TV, from the second half of Troughton's run, which I am finishing up now), I won't know it. But if from TV or audio, put episode in spoiler perhaps? I remember lots of exterminating, commanding, and general destruction, but little in the way of trying to determine guilt or innocence of any particular person. It was basically not Dalek and not useful --> dead. |
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Post by kalendorf on Dec 13, 2016 0:38:38 GMT
Well Revelation of the Daleks did have them say they were putting Davros on trial for his crimes against them. I'm not a fan of the idea but it wasn't an unprecedented one.
I think RTD once rightly said that the problem with the TVM is it should've introduced audiences to the Doctor as the hero who makes a difference and saves the day. The problem is in this case the planet was only put in danger because he landed there in the first place.
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Post by icecreamdf on Dec 13, 2016 1:04:35 GMT
Its not the first time they've done a trial. If that's from something other than TV or audio (or if TV, from the second half of Troughton's run, which I am finishing up now), I won't know it. But if from TV or audio, put episode in spoiler perhaps? I remember lots of exterminating, commanding, and general destruction, but little in the way of trying to determine guilt or innocence of any particular person. It was basically not Dalek and not useful --> dead. {Spoiler}
They put Davros on trial in Revelation of the Daleks, and we hear two different versions of the trial in I, Davros and The Davros Mission. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 2:22:02 GMT
If we're working from the basis of the TV Movie as it stands, I'd have probably expanded it and put in three plot threads:
- The Doctor trying to locate the TARDIS and suss out the Master's plans after he bombs the hospital where his "corpse" was residing.
- The Master's swift attempts to gain control of the local Chinese triads with Lee as part of his attempts to establish a new power base.
- The Institute for Technological Advancement and Research's attempts to decipher a series of increasingly disturbing anomalies centred around the construction of an atomic clock for a mysterious benefactor.
I would've liked to have the Doctor explore the mystery of what exactly happened to his previous self. He ended up in the hospital sure, but what exactly was it that killed him in the first place and is it still around? In this case, I'd like it to be implied to be the Master (after all, he boobytrapped the morgue), but in reality, it's someone completely different. A new adversary we've never seen before, someone who has been on Earth for some time and saw the passing TARDIS as an excellent opportunity to expand their operations.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Dec 13, 2016 8:56:59 GMT
This is what I'd do: - Remove the 7th Doctor from the narrative completely and have the episode start straight away with the eighth Doctor. While I love McCoy, that would probably be a big improvement in terms of removing regeneration and its associated crises from the general infodump provided for the intended audience of new viewers, but it would require substantial reworking of the plot. It would be more beneficial for the TV Movie in the end though. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 12:40:21 GMT
I wouldn't have had Daleks in the TVM at all, not sounding like they did anyway. A whole movie of listening to those voices would have been too much.
I did kind of like the TVM though, even Eric Roberts as The Master; it was Doctor Who with a difference... but in a likeable way.
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Post by acousticwolf on Dec 13, 2016 12:58:37 GMT
... I did kind of like the TVM though, even Eric Roberts as The Master; it was Doctor Who with a difference... but in a likeable way. It gets a lot of stick but the more I watch it, the more I tend to like it. Like most DW, I ignore the bits I don't like  Cheers Tony |
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Post by icecreamdf on Dec 13, 2016 15:27:49 GMT
I wouldn't have had Daleks in the TVM at all, not sounding like they did anyway. A whole movie of listening to those voices would have been too much. I did kind of like the TVM though, even Eric Roberts as The Master; it was Doctor Who with a difference... but in a likeable way. If the Daleks had more than a cameo, then I suspect hat they would have gotten a voice actor that could actually do the Dalek voices. And if they didn't, I'm sure that we would have a special edition dubbed by Nick Briggs by now, like they did with Day of the Daleks. |
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Post by coffeeaddict on Dec 13, 2016 16:22:31 GMT
Scrap the nonsense about being half human...
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Post by icecreamdf on Dec 13, 2016 16:29:59 GMT
Scrap the nonsense about being half human... I dunno. I think that makes a lot of the Cartmel Masterplan nonsense make more sense. He's more than just another Time Lord because he's also half human. Plus, it works with the more recent hybid arc. |
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