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Post by bobod on Feb 21, 2017 20:07:00 GMT
Can't wait to hear it! I'm a big pushover for oddly identical servants. :-) Actually I can't wait to hear it because it's so good to see this TARDIS team together again and occupying a place in the Main Range. I've always had a soft spot for Adric, and it's great Matthew Waterhouse is finally getting material worthy of him. One of Matthew's worries about returning to the part was that the material wouldn't be worthy of the previous material. He was very happy with the material he got in the TV show. |
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Post by Stevo on Feb 21, 2017 23:14:17 GMT
I've always had a soft spot for Adric, and it's great Matthew Waterhouse is finally getting material worthy of him. One of Matthew's worries about returning to the part was that the material wouldn't be worthy of the previous material. He was very happy with the material he got in the TV show. I bet a future conversation will have him tell you that Big Finish's scripts are more than worthy! His character is coming across way better in the BF audios so far, for me anyway. |
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Post by mrperson on Feb 22, 2017 0:33:11 GMT
I've always had a soft spot for Adric, and it's great Matthew Waterhouse is finally getting material worthy of him. One of Matthew's worries about returning to the part was that the material wouldn't be worthy of the previous material. He was very happy with the material he got in the TV show. Frankly, I couldn't stand his character in the original series. He's much more tolerable on audio, for me. |
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Post by omega on Feb 22, 2017 6:01:59 GMT
I've always had a soft spot for Adric, and it's great Matthew Waterhouse is finally getting material worthy of him. One of Matthew's worries about returning to the part was that the material wouldn't be worthy of the previous material. He was very happy with the material he got in the TV show. Matthew must have been ecstatic with the material Big Finish gave him to work with, considering their writers were better with characterisation. Though I doubt he was happy with the ten second cameo in Time-Flight back in 1982. |
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Post by theotherjosh on Feb 24, 2017 17:21:26 GMT
It was a bit of a miss for me, and I think barnabaslives was able to identify the reason why. I thought this was really good. I'm sure I liked it every bit as much as The Star Men. Certainly looking forward more than ever to Zaltys. Edit: This story certainly deserved a more intelligent critique than I gave it there (understatement), but I really can't put my finger on why I enjoyed it so much, other than it felt particularly like it belonged to its era, and that it was because of the writing much more than the casting or production, even with Adric on board. (It wasn't the period-appropriate electronics either). Perhaps when I get to the extras there will be some insights in it for me how Phil Mulryne wrote a story that kept me thinking the whole time that it really was a story that could have, should have been part of the OS? It really does feel like it came straight out of that era…but I just plain didn’t like that era. They crafted exactly the story they wanted to tell. It’s just not the kind of story I happen to like. It’s hard to fault Big Finish for that. Further, as an American, I lacked the context to appreciate it as didn't grow up with the concept of gentlemen's clubs. I occasionally see signs for “gentlemen’s clubs” when I drive past the airport, but I understand those are euphemisms for something else entirely. That said, there were some things that I really enjoyed, like more support for my pet theory that Tegan and Adric are secretly a couple. “Where's Tegan?” “In her room with Adric.” Well now. I was pleased they addressed the Doctor’s inability to get to Heathrow and I laughed out loud at Tegan’s line “I'm adding you to my list of clubbable gentlemen.” I rather like the crowded TARDIS, as a larger cast means more opportunities to interact. However, they can get unwieldy, and I think splitting them up was a very savvy move that allowed everyone a chance to shine. "You're quite the problem gambler, my queen. It's called Ludomania. Gambling addiction. A destructive habit." This is such a Fifth Doctor thing to say. I would have felt cheated if the Doctor had not had the opportunity to use Chekov’s Cricket Bat, and the story does not disappoint. The extras were very nice. I’m kind of intrigued by the story about Janet Fielding’s great-grandmother, and we got some very nuanced observations from Matthew Waterhouse and Barnaby Edwards. Also Zaltys sounds very interesting. Bottom line, the story isn’t one that has a lot of appeal for me, but I do have profound respect the skill and love that went into its creation. |
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Feb 24, 2017 18:30:48 GMT
I've yet to listen to it but Phil Mulryne is one of those writers at Big Finish these days who instantly gets my attention. I still think his episode from the first series of The Omega Factor is one of my favorite things BF has produced in the past several years.
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Post by Stevo on Feb 24, 2017 20:28:55 GMT
This wasn't as good a story as The Star Men, which I thought was great, but I did think The Contingency Club was better than most of Adric's TV stories with the Fifth Doctor, so that's fairly good in my rating standards. The Star Men was a tough act to follow and this story just lacked a little something in comparison. Although it's not a bad story and it did have it's moments.
I do like this TARDIS team though, probably because in 18 years of Big Finish Doctor Who audios it's not a group we've heard much of. So it's a welcome change in dynamic.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Feb 26, 2017 2:04:24 GMT
I found this to be a rather entertaining story. I do agree it did feel very much of its era, except, you know, good. Very good use of the TARDIS crew and as always Barnaby Edwards directs up a storm.
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Post by mark687 on Feb 27, 2017 13:34:53 GMT
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Post by lidar on Feb 28, 2017 23:06:12 GMT
Really enjoyed this, Clive Merrison was the highlight for me. I am a huge fan of his audio Holmes, he is surely the definitive audio Holmes (sorry, Nick) and the scene early on where Marjorie was telling her story to him was so reminiscent of a Radio 4 Holmes adaptation that I was grinning from ear to ear as I listened.
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Post by Tim Bradley on Mar 2, 2017 12:06:36 GMT
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Post by MayoTango131 on Mar 2, 2017 12:47:30 GMT
That said, there were some things that I really enjoyed, like more support for my pet theory that Tegan and Adric are secretly a couple. “Where's Tegan?” “In her room with Adric.” That's the stupidest thing I've ever read. Those two remind me more of Lois and her son Malcolm from the series "Malcolm in the Middle", pure hatred. I see Nyssa and Adric more as a couple, both are nerds and his dancing in Black Orchid is an obvious sign. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 10:57:45 GMT
Listened to this on a long walk this morning and thoroughly enjoyed it. Still refreshing to hear this TARDIS team together and great to have them running around in a period setting. The Red Queen was a marvellously selfish baddy too - always a pleasure when the villains are revelling in their schemes!
Looking forward to hearing the rest of Zaltys after the intriguing free ep.
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Post by omega on Mar 23, 2017 11:02:24 GMT
That said, there were some things that I really enjoyed, like more support for my pet theory that Tegan and Adric are secretly a couple. “Where's Tegan?” “In her room with Adric.” That's the stupidest thing I've ever read. Those two remind me more of Lois and her son Malcolm from the series "Malcolm in the Middle", pure hatred. I see Nyssa and Adric more as a couple, both are nerds and his dancing in Black Orchid is an obvious sign. Adric and Tegan work best in a crisis situation, when they've either got no time to snipe at each other or someone else makes them stop sniping. It's when there's a lull that they can properly clash, and Tegan's mouth doesn't normally help avoid conflict. |
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Post by omega on Mar 23, 2017 11:04:54 GMT
Listened to this on a long walk this morning and thoroughly enjoyed it. Still refreshing to hear this TARDIS team together and great to have them running around in a period setting. The Red Queen was a marvellously selfish baddy too - always a pleasure when the villains are revelling in their schemes! Looking forward to hearing the rest of Zaltys after the intriguing free ep. Sometimes you want a good, old fashioned no sob story out and out villain who knows what they're doing is wrong, but they have no scruples about it and actually enjoy it. It's good to have deep bad guys with unfortunate pasts, but a good mustache twirling villain can be worth their weight in the gold they've stolen. |
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Post by davygallagher on Mar 30, 2017 5:53:30 GMT
Just realised despite talking about this on the Zaltys thread I hadn't shared my thoughts on this. I enjoyed it very much. It's a familiar era for Doctor Who but the setting of the gentleman's club was a bit more novel than the usual Victoriana. The Edwards were utterly charming. Olly McCauley (and what a wonderful name he has!) instantly made them likeable. On the superficial both the title and the cover are two of my favourites in a long time. Both just....cool.
I think what I liked most about this story is the really spot-on characterisation Phil gave the leads. Adric's reliance on maths, on logic and on the factual informed his actions. Nyssa was the more emotionally informed with her compassion and empathy guiding her. Tegan's intuitiveness, with a dry wit and a dogged determination was motivating her. It may seem obvious but so often the show - and a lot of audios to be fair - don't seem to have the characters informing the story. Phil has a distinct voice for all the regulars and a keen ear for what they "should" be. It never feels like you could just switch the characters round or that it was written for generic companions.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Mar 30, 2017 22:13:06 GMT
Just realised despite talking about this on the Zaltys thread I hadn't shared my thoughts on this. I enjoyed it very much. It's a familiar era for Doctor Who but the setting of the gentleman's club was a bit more novel than the usual Victoriana. The Edwards were utterly charming. Olly McCauley (and what a wonderful name he has!) instantly made them likeable. On the superficial both the title and the cover are two of my favourites in a long time. Both just....cool. I think what I liked most about this story is the really spot-on characterisation Phil gave the leads. Adric's reliance on maths, on logic and on the factual informed his actions. Nyssa was the more emotionally informed with her compassion and empathy guiding her. Tegan's intuitiveness, with a dry wit and a dogged determination was motivating her. It may seem obvious but so often the show - and a lot of audios to be fair - don't seem to have the characters informing the story. Phil has a distinct voice for all the regulars and a keen ear for what they "should" be. It never feels like you could just switch the characters round or that it was written for generic companions. Agree 100%. PM is turning into on of my favorite go to writers. |
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Post by Ela on Jan 21, 2018 20:28:29 GMT
That's the stupidest thing I've ever read. Those two remind me more of Lois and her son Malcolm from the series "Malcolm in the Middle", pure hatred. I see Nyssa and Adric more as a couple, both are nerds and his dancing in Black Orchid is an obvious sign. Adric and Tegan work best in a crisis situation, when they've either got no time to snipe at each other or someone else makes them stop sniping. It's when there's a lull that they can properly clash, and Tegan's mouth doesn't normally help avoid conflict. But they are most definitely not a couple. Age difference: He's a child compared to her. No reason she would look at him that way at all, and it would be weird if she did. |
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Post by Ela on Jan 21, 2018 20:29:36 GMT
Enjoyed the story, and it's set in an interesting period of history. So different from the way anyone I know lives today.
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Post by omega on Jan 21, 2018 20:47:18 GMT
Adric and Tegan work best in a crisis situation, when they've either got no time to snipe at each other or someone else makes them stop sniping. It's when there's a lull that they can properly clash, and Tegan's mouth doesn't normally help avoid conflict. But they are most definitely not a couple. Age difference: He's a child compared to her. No reason she would look at him that way at all, and it would be weird if she did. I fully agree. Adric needs to emotionally mature before he's ready for a relationship with anyone. Maybe if the Fifth Doctor wasn't so hands off with his season 19 companions things would have been smoother, or at least Adric wouldn't have to try so hard to get attention. Nothing will stop Tegan from being Tegan though. |
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