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Post by nucleusofswarm on Dec 23, 2016 10:24:39 GMT
This does make me want to be careful about picking on Moffat for any particular idea when I'm not all that sure whose idea it really was. (I'm also consistently getting the feeling that maybe Moffat might be one of those people who might not be that great at articulating himself when the spotlight is on him? I think I've still yet to take in an interview him where there isn't some eyebrow raiser that tries to make the situation sound far more catastrophic than it really is. I really do think he sincerely is a Doctor Who fan, he has done a great deal that I think merits respect, and in the end he's consistently made a show I can still watch and enjoy regardless of my discomfort level, which puts it head and shoulders above just about anything). Whats makes you thinks its the BBC rather than Moffat? This question was already asked and got several answers. Behold: notthebigfinishforum.freeforums.net/thread/2210/johnathan-morris-explains-writers-nuwho
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Dec 23, 2016 11:05:18 GMT
But, barnabaslives, hasn't contributed to that thread! And, you can only speculate if its the BBC, rather than Moffats decision to ignore BF writers. There is nothing in the blog from Johnathan Morris to say for certain that its the BBC decision!
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Post by jasonward on Dec 23, 2016 11:46:38 GMT
How about no one is ignoring BF writers, and no one (from TV Who perspective) is giving them extra credit for being BF writers vs being writers and that it's just worked out this way?
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Dec 23, 2016 12:52:13 GMT
How about no one is ignoring BF writers, and no one (from TV Who perspective) is giving them extra credit for being BF writers vs being writers and that it's just worked out this way? I think I understand your comment. Are you saying Moffat does acknowledge BF, he just doesn't want to employ them?
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Dec 23, 2016 12:54:55 GMT
Don't know what the big argument is, but BF stories are a whole lot better than the stories on the tube anymore, I just finished the ninth season(yeah right, I believe it was the 35 series, wasn't it). and it's all timey whimey, trying to outdo the past seasons crap. Keep it up and they will be taking more than a year at a time off. Just sayin.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Dec 23, 2016 13:18:57 GMT
Don't know what the big argument is, but BF stories are a whole lot better than the stories on the tube anymore, I just finished the ninth season(yeah right, I believe it was the 35 series, wasn't it). and it's all timey whimey, trying to outdo the past seasons crap. Keep it up and they will be taking more than a year at a time off. Just sayin. Big argument is trying to put an old bugbear of the fandom to rest. Read it up for yourself. You'll learn some of the how and whys behind both sides of Who: notthebigfinishforum.freeforums.net/thread/2210/johnathan-morris-explains-writers-nuwho
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Dec 23, 2016 13:20:55 GMT
How about no one is ignoring BF writers, and no one (from TV Who perspective) is giving them extra credit for being BF writers vs being writers and that it's just worked out this way? I think I understand your comment. Are you saying Moffat does acknowledge BF, he just doesn't want to employ them? No. He's saying that they are writers and that's it. Like any job, some get chosen, some don't.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Dec 23, 2016 13:24:06 GMT
I think I understand your comment. Are you saying Moffat does acknowledge BF, he just doesn't want to employ them? No. He's saying that they are writers and that's it. Like any job, some get chosen, some don't. He hasn't chosen any!
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Post by jasonward on Dec 23, 2016 13:36:55 GMT
How about no one is ignoring BF writers, and no one (from TV Who perspective) is giving them extra credit for being BF writers vs being writers and that it's just worked out this way? I think I understand your comment. Are you saying Moffat does acknowledge BF, he just doesn't want to employ them? No, not even close, that would imply BF get a demerit, I just mean there are a lot of writers out there, and they cannot all work on TV Who, TV Who writers are always going to be a select group, and in the absence of actual evidence to say otherwise, there is no reason to assume that the reason Moffat hasn't used BF writers isn't anything more than that's just the way it worked out, and isn't directed by any person or thought or grudge or indeed directed at all.
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Post by sherlock on Dec 23, 2016 23:11:37 GMT
How about no one is ignoring BF writers, and no one (from TV Who perspective) is giving them extra credit for being BF writers vs being writers and that it's just worked out this way? I think I understand your comment. Are you saying Moffat does acknowledge BF, he just doesn't want to employ them? It might be that the BF writers simply don't want to write for TV. It's a massively different style of writing after all.
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Post by shutupbanks on Dec 23, 2016 23:29:44 GMT
I think I understand your comment. Are you saying Moffat does acknowledge BF, he just doesn't want to employ them? It might be that the BF writers simply don't want to write for TV. It's a massively different style of writing after all. Something that just occurred to me: given the announcements of projects that basically take us up to 2020, it might well be that BF writers DON'T HAVE TIME to write for television. Or, as Sherlock just said, they are different styles of writing. Or it may even be that, like Star Trek before it, it's a policy thing to keep broadcast writers and spin-off writers largely/ mostly separate (I know that some writers/ actors for the various STs wrote books but not many went the other way).
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Dec 24, 2016 1:12:58 GMT
It might be that the BF writers simply don't want to write for TV. It's a massively different style of writing after all. Something that just occurred to me: given the announcements of projects that basically take us up to 2020, it might well be that BF writers DON'T HAVE TIME to write for television. Or, as Sherlock just said, they are different styles of writing. Or it may even be that, like Star Trek before it, it's a policy thing to keep broadcast writers and spin-off writers largely/ mostly separate (I know that some writers/ actors for the various STs wrote books but not many went the other way). Frankly, it wouldn't surprise me if the BBC adopted a policy of splitting the gene pools. It's at times like this where I wish someone like dorney would come on and put this definitively to bed. Then again, he has better uses for time than trying to talk with a man who believes Moffat is the second coming of the Dark One.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 4:34:57 GMT
Or it may even be that, like Star Trek before it, it's a policy thing to keep broadcast writers and spin-off writers largely/ mostly separate (I know that some writers/ actors for the various STs wrote books but not many went the other way). Their loss, we stole James Swallow from them for the excellent Singularity and Kingdom of Silver. :3
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Post by Timelord007 on Dec 24, 2016 8:18:27 GMT
How about no one is ignoring BF writers, and no one (from TV Who perspective) is giving them extra credit for being BF writers vs being writers and that it's just worked out this way? I think I understand your comment. Are you saying Moffat does acknowledge BF, he just doesn't want to employ them? It's because BF writers would put his lacklustre efforts to shame.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Dec 24, 2016 13:51:22 GMT
I think I understand your comment. Are you saying Moffat does acknowledge BF, he just doesn't want to employ them? It's because BF writers would put his lacklustre efforts to shame. While I don't completely disagree with the sentiment, in fact I'm not entirely far off from it, that wasn't what jason or paul were asking.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Dec 24, 2016 13:52:25 GMT
Phoa. Okay... Erm, I... Er... Um... *cough*... Okay, I know a lot of people have respect for Moffat and his tenure on the programme has brought them no small amount of joy, but I'm going to come out and say that statement right there is just bonkers. It kind of puts the story arcs and attempts at mythologising in perspective. I mean... I... I have no words. To read the rest of the interview though, he's talking specifically about his era, or broadly Nu-Who. And he's right - if you write down the amount of material that is directly about Bad Wolf, "Silence Will Fall", the hybrid etc, it's not much in terms of script space at all. It's small teases in mostly standalone adventures. I think Moffat knows just fine about the expanded lore of the show and spinoff media at large. Alternately, here's a different interpretation of the interview, and a very valid one.
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Post by Ela on Jan 1, 2017 19:39:33 GMT
I thought The Eleventh Hour was a brilliant episode and a great introduction to the Eleventh Doctor. Just want to put that out there.
The Eleventh Hour and Smith and Jones are the two episodes I show to friends with no exposure to Who at all to get them interested. And it usually works.
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Post by eric009 on Jan 3, 2017 2:03:17 GMT
well all I like to say if it was't for Big Finish and hard work they do and folks buy their cd and downloads we might have never had new who on tv i remember being laugh at by brother because i was watch black and white dr who (1968 btw) when i could be watch colour shows instead like batman or thunderbirds and for the storys we had web of fear is one of best i seen and what if the bbc had use the same money for the new shows as they had for old shows how long would it had lasted then, So let be grateful it still on
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