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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2017 12:39:37 GMT
I prefer Season 24 of Doctor Who to Season 23 (The Trial of a Time Lord), but only in the same way that I prefer a back ache to a tooth ache! Both were terrible seasons of Doctor Who as far as I am concerned, with way more low points than highlights. (Although I was in my early twenties when they were broadcast, so that might have something to do with it.) I think the BBC just didn't know what to do with Doctor Who at that stage though, the scheduling was mad for a start, but regardless of the reasons it was only a matter of time after those seasons before the show was put out of it's misery. So for me, neither Season 23 or 24 was a good time for Doctor Who.
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Post by Ela on Jan 1, 2017 20:04:22 GMT
I loved Trial Of A Timelord & thought it a unique idea & one o enjoyed watching aged 11 & now at 41. 4 unique stories with a intriguing mystery & the Valeyardds true identity was a clever twist. I enjoyed Trial of a Time Lord, too. I'm not sure my husband liked it as much as I do, though, when we rewatched it on DVD. (First watch for him, re-watch for me.) Season 24 was kind of all over the place. I enjoyed Time of the Rani, in part because of Kate O'Mara. I liked Dragonfire cause it introduced Ace, and I always find Glitz amusing. The other stories were kind of silly and forgettable.
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Post by mrperson on Jan 1, 2017 22:51:50 GMT
Both cited as the beginning of the end of Classic Who, and a great crises that shook public and fan faith, which one comes out on top? I enjoyed trial more. The stories weren't hugely compelling but things just plain got weird in season 24. Episodes started to have a different feel, and we ended up with some truly bizarre ones like Paradise Towers and in 25, Happiness Patrol. (As well, Delta and the Bannermen was just plain goofy; Dragonfire didn't do much for me either). Basically, it started to feel like the show largely stopped trying to take itself seriously in S24. It's a shame. I really do love McCoy's take in general, moreso later on and at Big Finish, though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2017 0:30:46 GMT
Both cited as the beginning of the end of Classic Who, and a great crises that shook public and fan faith, which one comes out on top? I enjoyed trial more. The stories weren't hugely compelling but things just plain got weird in season 24. Episodes started to have a different feel, and we ended up with some truly bizarre ones like Paradise Towers and in 25, Happiness Patrol. (As well, Delta and the Bannermen was just plain goofy; Dragonfire didn't do much for me either). The Happiness Patrol is one of those stories that I think could have been better handled if they'd gotten someone like Graham Harper in. In this case, the gaudiness was part and parcel of how warped Terra Alpha had become under Helen A and I really like the Doctor's final conversation with her -- "Don't you ever feel like weeping, Helen A?" You can't force people to be happy and just "get over" their sadness. It's a necessary part of being happy to begin with.
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Post by Timelord007 on Jan 2, 2017 8:09:16 GMT
I wasn't a big fan of the seventh doctor on tv until Big Finish who have written some truly amazing stories & allowed Sylvester McCoy to explore the darker aspects of the doctor.
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Post by Ela on Jan 2, 2017 16:17:36 GMT
I enjoyed trial more. The stories weren't hugely compelling but things just plain got weird in season 24. Episodes started to have a different feel, and we ended up with some truly bizarre ones like Paradise Towers and in 25, Happiness Patrol. (As well, Delta and the Bannermen was just plain goofy; Dragonfire didn't do much for me either). The Happiness Patrol is one of those stories that I think could have been better handled if they'd gotten someone like Graham Harper in. In this case, the gaudiness was part and parcel of how warped Terra Alpha had become under Helen A and I really like the Doctor's final conversation with her -- "Don't you ever feel like weeping, Helen A?" You can't force people to be happy and just "get over" their sadness. It's a necessary part of being happy to begin with. The Happiness Patrol starts off looking silly but has some really sinister bits that come off quite well, actually.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 1:20:10 GMT
The Happiness Patrol is one of those stories that I think could have been better handled if they'd gotten someone like Graham Harper in. In this case, the gaudiness was part and parcel of how warped Terra Alpha had become under Helen A and I really like the Doctor's final conversation with her -- "Don't you ever feel like weeping, Helen A?" You can't force people to be happy and just "get over" their sadness. It's a necessary part of being happy to begin with. The Happiness Patrol starts off looking silly but has some really sinister bits that come off quite well, actually. Mmm, there's a lot to like about it. There's this almost German Impressionist style to the sets that keeps you off-balance, the Kandyman is a delightfully horrific creation and the scene on the balcony with the assassin is absolutely mesmerising. The BBC YouTube channel has it has "The Doctor's Mind Power", but I think it's something a lot more simple and clever than that. The assassin's a coward, he's dehumanised his targets to the point that when the Doctor is standing right in front of him, he can't do it. No mind magic necessary.
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Post by acousticwolf on Jan 3, 2017 9:45:48 GMT
The Happiness Patrol starts off looking silly but has some really sinister bits that come off quite well, actually. Mmm, there's a lot to like about it. There's this almost German Impressionist style to the sets that keeps you off-balance, the Kandyman is a delightfully horrific creation and the scene on the balcony with the assassin is absolutely mesmerising. The BBC YouTube channel has it has "The Doctor's Mind Power", but I think it's something a lot more simple and clever than that. The assassin's a coward, he's dehumanised his targets to the point that when the Doctor is standing right in front of him, he can't do it. No mind magic necessary. The audiobook novelisation is superb and you don't have to worry about the dodgy Kandyman costume either. Seriously creepy on audio and highly recommended. Cheers Tony
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 12:23:59 GMT
Mmm, there's a lot to like about it. There's this almost German Impressionist style to the sets that keeps you off-balance, the Kandyman is a delightfully horrific creation and the scene on the balcony with the assassin is absolutely mesmerising. The BBC YouTube channel has it has "The Doctor's Mind Power", but I think it's something a lot more simple and clever than that. The assassin's a coward, he's dehumanised his targets to the point that when the Doctor is standing right in front of him, he can't do it. No mind magic necessary. The audiobook novelisation is superb and you don't have to worry about the dodgy Kandyman costume either. Seriously creepy on audio and highly recommended. Cheers Tony Failing that, crank the colour on your television or monitor straight to monochrome and you get a pretty sizable burst of atmosphere.
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Post by Ela on Jan 4, 2017 3:27:26 GMT
Mmm, there's a lot to like about it. There's this almost German Impressionist style to the sets that keeps you off-balance, the Kandyman is a delightfully horrific creation and the scene on the balcony with the assassin is absolutely mesmerising. The BBC YouTube channel has it has "The Doctor's Mind Power", but I think it's something a lot more simple and clever than that. The assassin's a coward, he's dehumanised his targets to the point that when the Doctor is standing right in front of him, he can't do it. No mind magic necessary. The audiobook novelisation is superb and you don't have to worry about the dodgy Kandyman costume either. Seriously creepy on audio and highly recommended. Cheers Tony Sounds interesting. I might have to sign up for Audible, since that's the only reasonable way to get some of these novelizations in audiobook format.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 3:50:51 GMT
The audiobook novelisation is superb and you don't have to worry about the dodgy Kandyman costume either. Seriously creepy on audio and highly recommended. Cheers Tony Sounds interesting. I might have to sign up for Audible, since that's the only reasonable way to get some of these novelizations in audiobook format. Audible also puts them up on iTunes which is how I get them and think that it's a better way of saving your purchases.(providing you already use iTunes)
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Post by Ela on Jan 4, 2017 4:58:18 GMT
Sounds interesting. I might have to sign up for Audible, since that's the only reasonable way to get some of these novelizations in audiobook format. Audible also puts them up on iTunes which is how I get them and think that it's a better way of saving your purchases.(providing you already use iTunes) Yup, I use iTunes. So I'll keep that in mind.
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Post by mrperson on Jan 5, 2017 19:20:30 GMT
The Happiness Patrol starts off looking silly but has some really sinister bits that come off quite well, actually. Mmm, there's a lot to like about it. There's this almost German Impressionist style to the sets that keeps you off-balance, the Kandyman is a delightfully horrific creation and the scene on the balcony with the assassin is absolutely mesmerising. The BBC YouTube channel has it has "The Doctor's Mind Power", but I think it's something a lot more simple and clever than that. The assassin's a coward, he's dehumanised his targets to the point that when the Doctor is standing right in front of him, he can't do it. No mind magic necessary. We'll have to differ. For me, The Kandyman appeared and my grimace was itself cringing. I was drowning in lameness. The whole episode seemed to absurd to me.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jan 5, 2017 23:46:00 GMT
Mmm, there's a lot to like about it. There's this almost German Impressionist style to the sets that keeps you off-balance, the Kandyman is a delightfully horrific creation and the scene on the balcony with the assassin is absolutely mesmerising. The BBC YouTube channel has it has "The Doctor's Mind Power", but I think it's something a lot more simple and clever than that. The assassin's a coward, he's dehumanised his targets to the point that when the Doctor is standing right in front of him, he can't do it. No mind magic necessary. We'll have to differ. For me, The Kandyman appeared and my grimace was itself cringing. I was drowning in lameness. The whole episode seemed to absurd to me. I disagree with both of you. The Kandy Man was ridiculous and stupid looking, and that is what made him awesome.
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Post by mrperson on Jan 6, 2017 0:38:12 GMT
We'll have to differ. For me, The Kandyman appeared and my grimace was itself cringing. I was drowning in lameness. The whole episode seemed to absurd to me. I disagree with both of you. The Kandy Man was ridiculous and stupid looking, and that is what made him awesome.Heh. I hear you. I'd appreciate that in anything but a show I love...
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Post by icecreamdf on Jan 6, 2017 1:04:17 GMT
I disagree with both of you. The Kandy Man was ridiculous and stupid looking, and that is what made him awesome.Heh. I hear you. I'd appreciate that in anything but a show I love... Part of the reason that I love Doctor Who is that it can become ridiculous at times.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 1:05:57 GMT
Mmm, there's a lot to like about it. There's this almost German Impressionist style to the sets that keeps you off-balance, the Kandyman is a delightfully horrific creation and the scene on the balcony with the assassin is absolutely mesmerising. The BBC YouTube channel has it has "The Doctor's Mind Power", but I think it's something a lot more simple and clever than that. The assassin's a coward, he's dehumanised his targets to the point that when the Doctor is standing right in front of him, he can't do it. No mind magic necessary. We'll have to differ. For me, The Kandyman appeared and my grimace was itself cringing. I was drowning in lameness. The whole episode seemed to absurd to me. I'll admit it's not for everyone. There are both better and worse stories out there, but I enjoy the drab nastiness behind it. Be happy or die. That's a really interesting premise to explore and it does it rather well. It's only the visuals that really bring it down and in that respect at least it's not suffering from the tinniness of Silver Nemesis. The Cybermen have certainly looked better, especially the Imagineering lot.
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Post by Ela on Jan 6, 2017 6:27:09 GMT
I really didn't like The Happiness Patrol the first time I watched it and thought the Kandyman was a ridiculous concept. It improves with re-watching. For me, anyway. I'll let you know what my husband thinks, when we get to it. We're watching Delta and the Bannermen next.
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Post by sherlock on Jan 6, 2017 10:23:45 GMT
Mmm, there's a lot to like about it. There's this almost German Impressionist style to the sets that keeps you off-balance, the Kandyman is a delightfully horrific creation and the scene on the balcony with the assassin is absolutely mesmerising. The BBC YouTube channel has it has "The Doctor's Mind Power", but I think it's something a lot more simple and clever than that. The assassin's a coward, he's dehumanised his targets to the point that when the Doctor is standing right in front of him, he can't do it. No mind magic necessary. We'll have to differ. For me, The Kandyman appeared and my grimace was itself cringing. I was drowning in lameness. The whole episode seemed to absurd to me. It's a shame about the Kandyman as the original plans for him are quite creepy. Originally he was appeared a man with really pale skin (from all the kandy) and that might have made his scenes better. I can't remember where I read that or who was responsible for the change.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jan 6, 2017 10:54:55 GMT
The Happiness Patrol starts off looking silly but has some really sinister bits that come off quite well, actually. Mmm, there's a lot to like about it. There's this almost German Impressionist style to the sets that keeps you off-balance, the Kandyman is a delightfully horrific creation and the scene on the balcony with the assassin is absolutely mesmerising. The BBC YouTube channel has it has "The Doctor's Mind Power", but I think it's something a lot more simple and clever than that. The assassin's a coward, he's dehumanised his targets to the point that when the Doctor is standing right in front of him, he can't do it. No mind magic necessary. Given its style, it almost makes you wonder if it was done to show that the pantomine-schtick of Season 24 could be done proberly, like Happiness was an apology for Paradise Towers.
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