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Post by xlozdob on Jan 9, 2017 10:38:12 GMT
I wouldn't want to jinx anything, but given the sad ending of the Novel Adaptations range due to poor sales is anyone else a tad surprised (though don't get me wrong I'm certainly excited!) they've opted for Who Comic adaptations instead given their origins as a very visual medium? I've never read any of the comics, but I'd always assumed the Virgin Books were considered the pinnacle of the Wilderness Years in fan circles, and some of the comics are much older and even harder to find than the books... Do we know it was due to poor sales? Yes. Nick Briggs said it in the latest podcast. It's a real shame, they were rather good.
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Post by shallacatop on Jan 9, 2017 13:15:19 GMT
It is a shame that the novel adaptations range has come to an end. They were great, but I cannot blame fans for not purchasing them.
The novels, like Big Finish, are somewhat of a niche. Adapting them, opposed to creating new stories with the NA companions, creates a bigger niche. I think this is especially prevalent when you have to consider these are just a supplement to the Fourth, Fifth or Seventh Doctor's existing ranges, which are all new stories (if not necessarily as original as many of the NA's are).
I think what I'm trying to say is that I'm not surprised, despite enjoying them. It'll be telling to see if Big Finish opt to use Chris & Roz in the main range in the future. The same goes for Patience and NA Ace & Benny.
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Post by mark687 on Jan 9, 2017 13:31:41 GMT
Yes the Podcast comment on the NAs I think pretty much confirms Tom Baker involvement in the CA in hope of decent sales.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 9, 2017 14:26:08 GMT
The novels, like Big Finish, are somewhat of a niche. Adapting them, opposed to creating new stories with the NA companions, creates a bigger niche. I think this is especially prevalent when you have to consider these are just a supplement to the Fourth, Fifth or Seventh Doctor's existing ranges, which are all new stories (if not necessarily as original as many of the NA's are). They're also more expensive than the regular releases.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 9, 2017 14:27:54 GMT
Yes the Podcast comment on the NAs I think pretty much confirms Tom Baker involvement in the CA in hope of decent sales. Regards mark687 I don't know if I'm the only one, but I'd find comic adaptations more appealing precisely because they're so visual. I'm intrigued to see how they'd adapt it without the comic strip panels.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2017 15:03:00 GMT
Yes the Podcast comment on the NAs I think pretty much confirms Tom Baker involvement in the CA in hope of decent sales. My favourite era of the comic strips; Mills, Wagner, Gibbons, Moore etc... Big Finish can't go wrong with those strips that launched Marvel's Doctor Who Weekly in 1979. So a Fourth Doctor comic book adaptation with Tom Baker will be a must buy in my house, whichever strip(s) BF choose to do. ( The Dogs of Doom with Tom and Nick would be really cool though!)
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Post by shallacatop on Jan 9, 2017 16:13:34 GMT
The novels, like Big Finish, are somewhat of a niche. Adapting them, opposed to creating new stories with the NA companions, creates a bigger niche. I think this is especially prevalent when you have to consider these are just a supplement to the Fourth, Fifth or Seventh Doctor's existing ranges, which are all new stories (if not necessarily as original as many of the NA's are). They're also more expensive than the regular releases. They're no more expensive than the main range releases, which they follow the format of. The exception, of course, is Cold Fusion, which was £2 extra for an additional two parts. The three Fourth Doctor adaptations were cheaper than the equivalent four part stories from his own range. £14.99 versus £21.98.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2017 19:12:07 GMT
They're also more expensive than the regular releases. They're no more expensive than the main range releases, which they follow the format of. The exception, of course, is Cold Fusion, which was £2 extra for an additional two parts. The three Fourth Doctor adaptations were cheaper than the equivalent four part stories from his own range. £14.99 versus £21.98. Subscription/bundle options aren't as generous though, presumably because they cost more to make (needing to pay for the person adapting for audio as well as royalties to the original author). I can see comic adaptations being more appealing. The novels are packed with content and need to be stripped back quite a lot, with a comic strip you'd presumably be more fleshing out the much sketchier original content. Hopefully that would lead to an end product less likely to feel rushed, or like something big just happened in it without you noticing.
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Post by aztec on Jan 9, 2017 19:57:23 GMT
It is a shame that the novel adaptations range has come to an end. They were great, but I cannot blame fans for not purchasing them. The novels, like Big Finish, are somewhat of a niche. Adapting them, opposed to creating new stories with the NA companions, creates a bigger niche. I think this is especially prevalent when you have to consider these are just a supplement to the Fourth, Fifth or Seventh Doctor's existing ranges, which are all new stories (if not necessarily as original as many of the NA's are). I think what I'm trying to say is that I'm not surprised, despite enjoying them. It'll be telling to see if Big Finish opt to use Chris & Roz in the main range in the future. The same goes for Patience and NA Ace & Benny. Hmm, an appearance from Chris and Roz in the Main Range could bump up sales of the novel adaptations, but I've always wondered why BF haven't made more use of Raine...
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Post by mbt66 on Jan 9, 2017 21:28:06 GMT
With the novel adaptations I bought the first one, Love and War, because it was something new and I bought all the Fourth Doctor ones, because it was the Fourth Doctor!
For me it is only the Fourth and the Eighth Doctor who are automatic pre-orders, so I hope that they are featured in these "Talking Picture" releases and I hope there is a decent bundle offer to get me interested in the others!
With that in mind do you think we could be getting a boxset release like Classic Doctors:New Monsters? An adventure based on a comic might suit a single disc release and packaging several together with different Doctors would make sense, if only to entice potential customers like me.
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Post by aztec on Jan 9, 2017 22:08:04 GMT
Yes the Podcast comment on the NAs I think pretty much confirms Tom Baker involvement in the CA in hope of decent sales. Regards mark687 On that note, I wonder who is the biggest selling BF Doctor? Tom Baker has the popularity and nostaglia, Davison-Mcoy have extensive back catalogs (and in Colin's case particularly the attraction of a great many new companions) whilst Hurt and McGann have the attraction of little continuity to worry about, always breaking new ground
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Post by mark687 on Jan 9, 2017 22:12:35 GMT
Yes the Podcast comment on the NAs I think pretty much confirms Tom Baker involvement in the CA in hope of decent sales. Regards mark687 On that note, I wonder who is the biggest selling BF Doctor? Tom Baker has the popularity and nostaglia, Davison-Mcoy have extensive back catalogs (and in Colin's case particularly the attraction of a great many new companions) whilst Hurt and McGann have the attraction of little continuity to worry about, always breaking new ground Its Tom by a country mile.
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Post by aztec on Jan 9, 2017 22:24:33 GMT
On that note, I wonder who is the biggest selling BF Doctor? Tom Baker has the popularity and nostaglia, Davison-Mcoy have extensive back catalogs (and in Colin's case particularly the attraction of a great many new companions) whilst Hurt and McGann have the attraction of little continuity to worry about, always breaking new ground Its Tom by a county mile.
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Yeah I had a feeling he would be, though give Tennant a decade and things might be different. Though I (and a great many others I suspect) was brought in by the McGann audios which seem to gaining popularity all the time.
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Post by aztec on Jan 9, 2017 22:33:32 GMT
With the novel adaptations I bought the first one, Love and War, because it was something new and I bought all the Fourth Doctor ones, because it was the Fourth Doctor! For me it is only the Fourth and the Eighth Doctor who are automatic pre-orders, so I hope that they are featured in these "Talking Picture" releases and I hope there is a decent bundle offer to get me interested in the others! With that in mind do you think we could be getting a boxset release like Classic Doctors:New Monsters? An adventure based on a comic might suit a single disc release and packaging several together with different Doctors would make sense, if only to entice potential customers like me. I'm guessing it's going to be collected strips in a boxset on a Doctor per Doctor basis, for budgetary/continuity/scheduling reasons, as attractive as the variety of various stories in a boxset is, I'd be a little put off if the range were to skip between Doctors and stories all the time (of course I say that now, but it all depends on which stories are being adapted...) As a non reader of the Virgin books it was one of the reasons I was slighty hesitant about the range, obviously there were only a limited number of books that could be adapted, and it makes sense from a business point of view to go for the big hitters first, but I generally prefer to marathon storylines from the start and I was worried the non chronological release pattern and toning down of arcs would leave me a little confused or cold. I'm hoping for a 8th Dr or 6th+Frobisher adaptation but I'll probably get the first one anyway just to get a feel for a different era of Who.
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Post by mark687 on Jan 9, 2017 22:42:45 GMT
Its Tom by a county mile.
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Yeah I had a feeling he would be, though give Tennant a decade and things might be different. Though I (and a great many others I suspect) was brought in by the McGann audios which seem to gaining popularity all the time. Last thing I heard it was something like this:
Tom Titles sell 3 times more than others, then it was McGann, and the then Pre-Orders for Post 2005 stuff looked encouraging, however this was before BF put older material on Sportify and other streaming providers.
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Post by aztec on Jan 9, 2017 22:50:24 GMT
Yeah I had a feeling he would be, though give Tennant a decade and things might be different. Though I (and a great many others I suspect) was brought in by the McGann audios which seem to gaining popularity all the time. Last thing I heard it was something like this:
Tom Titles sell 3 times more than others, then it was McGann, and the then Pre-Orders for Post 2005 stuff looked encouraging, however this was before BF put older material on Sportify and other streaming providers.
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It would be interesting to see the age/country demographics of Big Finish's listeners and how they've changed in the last decade, several of the actors have commented in youtube interviews/convention panel videos that the audios are gaining traction all the time, especially in North America, whether that's greater exposure because of the streaming stuff, the reference in NOTD legitimizing the audios, or simply an increasing awareness of audio drama is unclear, but they've certainly come a long way since 1998, hard to believe that BF will have been around longer than Classic Who lasted, and weird to think some of the actors first debuted their characters 50+ years ago and are still going strong... (I'm English and I think the first story I listened to was Situation Vacant on BBC Radio, but I'd never heard of Big Finish until the hoopla from NOTD)
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 9, 2017 23:04:59 GMT
Last thing I heard it was something like this:
Tom Titles sell 3 times more than others, then it was McGann, and the then Pre-Orders for Post 2005 stuff looked encouraging, however this was before BF put older material on Sportify and other streaming providers.
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mark687
It would be interesting to see the age/country demographics of Big Finish's listeners and how they've changed in the last decade, several of the actors have commented in youtube interviews/convention panel videos that the audios are gaining traction all the time, especially in North America, whether that's greater exposure because of the streaming stuff, the reference in NOTD legitimizing the audios, or simply an increasing awareness of audio drama is unclear, but they've certainly come a long way since 1998, hard to believe that BF will have been around longer than Classic Who lasted, and weird to think some of the actors first debuted their characters 50+ years ago and are still going strong... (I'm English and I think the first story I listened to was Situation Vacant on BBC Radio, but I'd never heard of Big Finish until the hoopla from NOTD) I suspect with the new series releases, Big Finish is probably getting more listeners around my age of 21 currently than before.
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Post by aztec on Jan 9, 2017 23:08:17 GMT
It would be interesting to see the age/country demographics of Big Finish's listeners and how they've changed in the last decade, several of the actors have commented in youtube interviews/convention panel videos that the audios are gaining traction all the time, especially in North America, whether that's greater exposure because of the streaming stuff, the reference in NOTD legitimizing the audios, or simply an increasing awareness of audio drama is unclear, but they've certainly come a long way since 1998, hard to believe that BF will have been around longer than Classic Who lasted, and weird to think some of the actors first debuted their characters 50+ years ago and are still going strong... (I'm English and I think the first story I listened to was Situation Vacant on BBC Radio, but I'd never heard of Big Finish until the hoopla from NOTD) I suspect with the new series releases, Big Finish is probably getting more listeners around my age of 21 currently than before. I'm turning 25 in less than two weeks... ...
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Post by mark687 on Jan 9, 2017 23:12:17 GMT
I suspect with the new series releases, Big Finish is probably getting more listeners around my age of 21 currently than before. I'm almost 25... ... Your Both Whippersnappers
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jan 9, 2017 23:13:31 GMT
If I were a betting man...I'd say the Stockbridge two parter is the most likely for the main reason that it's quite trad Who. Very good quality Who and highly regarded, but nothing genre smashing, so would be easier to translate to audio than a lot of the more out-there strips of the era. With BF having set a trilogy in Stockbridge already a lot of non-comic readers would have a knowledge of the setting lready and they could promote the set by putting that trilogy on sale. I don't see a downside in making that the release to test the waters. As long as Mark Williams is available, that could be cool. Apropos of Williams, I once wrote a twelfth Doctor/Father Brown crossover, that includes the Doctor showing off his signed by Saint Peter copy of the Bible, it also includes the Doctor commenting that Peter snored liked a hippopotamus. Here it is: "I see you've redecorated," Father Brown commented. "Seems more home-y this way," the Doctor said, bounding over to the console. The two men shared a companionable silence as the Doctor fiddled with the controls and Father Brown browsed the Doctor's collection of books and knick-knacks. "is this a first edition?" Father Brown asked, holding up a large leather bound book. The Doctor smiled micheviously, "it is. Open it up." Father Brown did so and was agog at what he saw. "I never thought you'd be the sort to write on a book, especially a first edition King James." He admonished. "Not me. Look again at the signature" "Petrus.... Peter. Not.... not Him!?" the Doctor grinned smugly, "I was in Rome, looking for an Osirian signalling device, on the same day Peter was being hunted by the mob. He literally fell into my lap when I opened the doors," Father Brown was rarely lost for words, even when it came to the Doctor. But for him to casually mention meeting Saint Peter, and to have gotten his imprimatur, left him speechless. "He was telling me how he felt he'd lost his way, maybe even lost his faith. I took pity on him and showed him that. He wept. We spent the night talking, he slept against those very doors. SNORED like you wouldn't believe. Sounded like a Nile Hippotomus. The next day, before he went to face the future, I asked him to sign that." "Why?" "I leave footprints in the sand, Father Brown. I am here and then gone. Sometimes I need to remind myself that I do have a place in history. That what I do does come with consequences." Father Brown looked at his impossilbe friend, his eyes wet. "We all know that, even if you forget."
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