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Post by ulyssessarcher on Jan 14, 2017 18:46:45 GMT
I pay more so I don't have to go to the market. The market comes to me. Why? Because I have money to spend, and the market wants it. It's called capitalism.
I want BF to understand that. Is that wrong?(legitimate question.) I don't think BF understands how to market to Americans. Maybe they don't want to, but that would be totally insane. I think BF thinks that they only have to market to Americans they see at cons, instead of Americans who spend money, because most at cons, are not the average American consumer, they are there because they are a rabid fan, not just a casual one.
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Post by coffeeaddict on Jan 14, 2017 19:21:43 GMT
Yes, what you should do is buy the downloads then burn them to CD for yourself. Big Finish's FAQ'S confirm that is acceptable. The key is that BF should end up with the money not your friend, otherwise where's the incentive for them to make more. A. I don't buy downloads, I buy cd's. B. If I wanted to burn my own cd's I wouldn't buy them from others. C. If BF wants my money, then have them burn the cd, and i'll buy it from them.(i'll suggest that to them, but I suspect it makes far to much sense.) D. Since it's illegal, who fines me when I buy burnt cd's, in other words, what is the penalty for buying cd's from other folks who burnt them? (And who is going to impose that penalty?) Not trying to be a smarta** but a law with no consequences for breaking, is not really a law, it's more like faith. E. If BF isn't willing to give me, the consumer, what I want. I will find other ways to get what I want, because, I can afford it, and there are a lot of choices out there, who are willing to give me what I want. BF needs to learn how to make money, and that's by making the consumer(all of them) as happy as they can(like sending the first 50 MR back to print) Please understand, I speak bluntly, I don't see the point of trying to pussyfoot around issues, and this is the way I think. Both you and your supplier are breaking the law, should Big Finish become aware of your actions, they have every right to take appropriate legal action. What at those who pirate fail to understand is that in stealing they help lead to the increase in price of goods, the cancellation of product lines and in the worst of cases the closing of companies who can no longer keeps their operations going due to the rise in costs making it prohibitive for loyalty payi g customers to continue supporting them. Further, pirating also takes money out of the pockets of the writers, actors and production staff. Big Finish offers the Short Trips line at a very low cost, it would be more expensive for them to produce CD's of this range than many of us would be willing to pay just to receive a 30 minute CD. No matter how you try to justify it, you are stealing and under no circumstance is that something to be proud of. Finally, I would like to say that none of the administration team condones pirating, and it dissapoints us when we see members of this forum congratulating themselves for doing so.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Jan 14, 2017 19:55:07 GMT
A. I don't buy downloads, I buy cd's. B. If I wanted to burn my own cd's I wouldn't buy them from others. C. If BF wants my money, then have them burn the cd, and i'll buy it from them.(i'll suggest that to them, but I suspect it makes far to much sense.) D. Since it's illegal, who fines me when I buy burnt cd's, in other words, what is the penalty for buying cd's from other folks who burnt them? (And who is going to impose that penalty?) Not trying to be a smarta** but a law with no consequences for breaking, is not really a law, it's more like faith. E. If BF isn't willing to give me, the consumer, what I want. I will find other ways to get what I want, because, I can afford it, and there are a lot of choices out there, who are willing to give me what I want. BF needs to learn how to make money, and that's by making the consumer(all of them) as happy as they can(like sending the first 50 MR back to print) Please understand, I speak bluntly, I don't see the point of trying to pussyfoot around issues, and this is the way I think. Both you and your supplier are breaking the law, should Big Finish become aware of your actions, they have every right to take appropriate legal action. What at those who pirate fail to understand is that in stealing they help lead to the increase in price of goods, the cancellation of product lines and in the worst of cases the closing of companies who can no longer keeps their operations going due to the rise in costs making it prohibitive for loyalty payi g customers to continue supporting them. Further, pirating also takes money out of the pockets of the writers, actors and production staff. Big Finish offers the Short Trips line at a very low cost, it would be more expensive for them to produce CD's of this range than many of us would be willing to pay just to receive a 30 minute CD. No matter how you try to justify it, you are stealing and under no circumstance is that something to be proud of. Finally, I would like to say that none of the administration team condones pirating, and it dissapoints us when we see members of this forum congratulating themselves for doing so. I'm not trying to congratulate myself, I'm trying to get BF to burn copies of the short trips. I would much rather buy copies burnt by BF themselves, even if they were just burnt copies of blank cd's with no artwork. If they want to charge me 2.99 for the copy plus shipping, then I will pay it. If they want to charge me 5.99 plus shipping, i'll pay it. If they want to put together a year's worth, with new artwork in a jewel case, for 39.99, i'll pay it. I don't want to steal from BF, I want them to be around as long as I am. But, they have to give me what I want because there are other choices out there, and I don't mean buying pirated goods, I mean buying other audiobooks from different companies. I don't want to see BF go the way of audiogo. What I am saying, is that BF needs to find ways to appeal to all consumers, and not all consumers have any use at all for a download. If they need to hire someone to just burn cd's and mail them, they might actually find a new market. Look at what they sell the first 50 MR downloads for. If they burnt them, with no original packaging or artwork, there are some folks who would be willing to pay for those, so they could just pop them in the cd player. And those could be sold at a much cheaper rate by BF than the same things sold on other sites. Since those are out of print, they are the perfect choice for finding out if there is a market for such an endeavor. Marvel Comics have been feeding that market for years, with reprint ranges, aimed mostly at children, but with stories already printed many years before. Buying those reprints is a great way to get the story, without the high cost of the original.
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Post by jasonward on Jan 14, 2017 19:59:46 GMT
Pirates and those that support and promote the actions of pirates are not welcome here. There are plenty of products I would like but cannot have, whether this be because they are no longer generally available, not accessible to me, not affordable by me or as is your case ulyssessarcher not convenient, none of that justifies theft.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Jan 14, 2017 20:08:01 GMT
Pirates and those that support and promote the actions of pirates are not welcome here. There are plenty of products I would like but cannot have, whether this be because they are no longer generally available, not accessible to me, not affordable by me or as is your case ulyssessarcher not convenient, none of that justifies theft. I'm not trying to justify piracy. I'm saying that piracy is a fact of life. If companies want to end piracy, then there are ways of ending it. If I cant convince those on here of that, what hope do I have of convincing companies like BF?
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Post by jasonward on Jan 14, 2017 20:10:28 GMT
My reading of your post is that you purchase pirated CD from others, is this the case or not?
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Post by coffeeaddict on Jan 14, 2017 20:12:22 GMT
Pirates and those that support and promote the actions of pirates are not welcome here. There are plenty of products I would like but cannot have, whether this be because they are no longer generally available, not accessible to me, not affordable by me or as is your case ulyssessarcher not convenient, none of that justifies theft. I'm not trying to justify piracy. I'm saying that piracy is a fact of life. If companies want to end piracy, then there are ways of ending it. If I cant convince those on here of that, what hope do I have of convincing companies like BF? I sincerely hope that one of the writers who post here see this and let you know how piracy impacts them. I am shocked that you try to justify stealing just because you can't get something in the format that you want. Saying something is a fact of life and adopting the "if you can't beat em, join em" mentality is disgusting. I honestly can't think of anything further to say on this.
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Post by acousticwolf on Jan 14, 2017 20:19:41 GMT
I'm not trying to justify piracy. I'm saying that piracy is a fact of life. If companies want to end piracy, then there are ways of ending it. If I cant convince those on here of that, what hope do I have of convincing companies like BF? I sincerely hope that one of the writers who post here see this and let you know how piracy impacts them. I am shocked that you try to justify stealing just because you can't get something in the format that you want. Saying something is a fact of life and adopting the "if you can't beat em, join em" mentality is disgusting. I honestly can't think of anything further to say on this. The only thing I will add is that if you are admitting pirating BF audios, we don't want you here and will seriously consider passing this information onto Big Finish. For the sake of £2.99 each I do not understand why you wouldn't buy them on download and burn them to CD (or get your friend to burn them for you. At least BF are still getting your money).
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Jan 14, 2017 20:34:08 GMT
I'm not trying to justify piracy. I'm saying that piracy is a fact of life. If companies want to end piracy, then there are ways of ending it. If I cant convince those on here of that, what hope do I have of convincing companies like BF? I sincerely hope that one of the writers who post here see this and let you know how piracy impacts them. I am shocked that you try to justify stealing just because you can't get something in the format that you want. Saying something is a fact of life and adopting the "if you can't beat em, join em" mentality is disgusting. I honestly can't think of anything further to say on this. Look, ive never bought a pirated copy of any audiobook, or audioplay, or movie or tv show in my life. I know how piracy impacts companies. And I would like to see companies put an end to it. If they want to take a proactive stance at ending it, I have some ideas how to do that. If they just want to sit around and complain about it, then it's not going to go away. I love the way some folks can take the words of others and make them fit into whatever cage they want them to fit into. Listen up, piracy is a fact of life. Its out there, its happening right now, all over the world. People are stealing, and all you want to do is point out that it's a crime. It's illegal, and it's hurting others. How's that working out for you? How many folks have you stopped by pointing out that it is a crime? How about we figure out ways to make piracy not pay enough? Do you get what I am saying now?
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Jan 14, 2017 20:43:10 GMT
I sincerely hope that one of the writers who post here see this and let you know how piracy impacts them. I am shocked that you try to justify stealing just because you can't get something in the format that you want. Saying something is a fact of life and adopting the "if you can't beat em, join em" mentality is disgusting. I honestly can't think of anything further to say on this. The only thing I will add is that if you are admitting pirating BF audios, we don't want you here and will seriously consider passing this information onto Big Finish. For the sake of £2.99 each I do not understand why you wouldn't buy them on download and burn them to CD (or get your friend to burn them for you. At least BF are still getting your money). As Ive said, I haven't bought any BF pirated copies, though I do own a copy of Honey in the Rock, by Charlie Daniels, that was never released on cd, only on album from the early 70's that a man copied to cd, and made the cd case look just like the album cover, I suspect it would be called piracy, even though I never thought about it that way back when I bought it. That would be the only thing I have ever bought that wasn't an original. My OCD wouldn't allow me to buy anything pirated, but there are others out there who have no compunctions about buying and selling pirated BF material. I heard about a pretty famous band, deciding not to try to produce any new albums because now a days, there were no money in producing an album, that is going to cost us a lot of good music. So, if yall want to talk about ways to putting an end to piracy, I'm all for it. Ive dropped some decent ideas in this thread. But yall want to dismiss those, to condemn me for things I haven't done.
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Post by coffeeaddict on Jan 14, 2017 20:43:49 GMT
I sincerely hope that one of the writers who post here see this and let you know how piracy impacts them. I am shocked that you try to justify stealing just because you can't get something in the format that you want. Saying something is a fact of life and adopting the "if you can't beat em, join em" mentality is disgusting. I honestly can't think of anything further to say on this. Look, ive never bought a pirated copy of any audiobook, or audioplay, or movie or tv show in my life. I know how piracy impacts companies. And I would like to see companies put an end to it. If they want to take a proactive stance at ending it, I have some ideas how to do that. If they just want to sit around and complain about it, then it's not going to go away. I love the way some folks can take the words of others and make them fit into whatever cage they want them to fit into. Listen up, piracy is a fact of life. Its out there, its happening right now, all over the world. People are stealing, and all you want to do is point out that it's a crime. It's illegal, and it's hurting others. How's that working out for you? How many folks have you stopped by pointing out that it is a crime? How about we figure out ways to make piracy not pay enough? Do you get what I am saying now? Your first post in this thread makes it seems as though you are pirating. If that is incorrect, then perhaps you should clarify your comments and be more attentive to how you phrase things in the future. BF showed they don't want all my money because they don't put the short trips on cd anymore, so I buy cd's from folks who burn them for me(Is that illegal?).
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Jan 14, 2017 22:46:59 GMT
Ok. I pay my daughter to burn cds for me. I buy the blanks and the only ones I've gotten so far are the free downloads like unit the prologue story.
Now if I buy the downloads and she burns them for me onto CD and I pay her for that is that illegal?
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Post by jasonward on Jan 15, 2017 1:03:50 GMT
Ok. I pay my daughter to burn cds for me. I buy the blanks and the only ones I've gotten so far are the free downloads like unit the prologue story. Now if I buy the downloads and she burns them for me onto CD and I pay her for that is that illegal? So long as you've paid the right person for the download, then I'm OK with that, but yes, I believe that would be technically illegal, although I struggle to see what company would litigate or what jury would find against you.
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Post by shutupbanks on Jan 15, 2017 1:05:40 GMT
From the BF website: www.bigfinish.com/pages/v/faqs Specifically: "Can I make copies of my Big Finish CDs and downloads? "Big Finish Productions is happy for our customers to copy purchased CD content for digital playback, or burn purchased downloads to CD, as long as it is strictly for personal use. "However, please remember that sharing CDs with third parties, exchanging mp3s with friends or uploading them to file-sharing websites/platforms is an infringement of International Copyright Law and can be subject to criminal prosecution. "We estimate that Big Finish loses up to three-quarters of its potential revenue to piracy, and we will seek to prosecute anyone identified as a bootlegger or pirate. The maximum penalty for offences of audio piracy is 10 years imprisonment and/or an unlimited fine. The Proceeds of Crime Act legislation now also enables confiscation of assets and goods. "Please remember that piracy affects us all. The more people who make a legal purchase of a Big Finish CD or download, the greater the opportunity for price cuts and special offers for our loyal listeners – and you'll be funding new productions too!" Cheers Ian
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Post by kimalysong on Jan 15, 2017 1:39:51 GMT
Ok. I pay my daughter to burn cds for me. I buy the blanks and the only ones I've gotten so far are the free downloads like unit the prologue story. Now if I buy the downloads and she burns them for me onto CD and I pay her for that is that illegal? You should have said from the start that you bought the short trips & had someone burn them for you. We heavily condemn piracy on here. If people jumped on you it's because your post seemed to imply that you justified piracy and were engaging in it. Instead of arguing that piracy happens because of Big Finish business practice you should have said what you meant right away. There is never any justification for piracy and we do not condone that type of discussion on here ever. I am happy you do not pirate Big Finish but please be careful with your words and what they may imply in the future.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 8:33:12 GMT
Ok. I pay my daughter to burn cds for me. I buy the blanks and the only ones I've gotten so far are the free downloads like unit the prologue story. Now if I buy the downloads and she burns them for me onto CD and I pay her for that is that illegal? Phew, sorry we all jumped on you mate. As others have said, as long as BF get paid for one copy which is kept to yourself then it's fine.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Jan 15, 2017 9:26:35 GMT
Ok, just one more question before we get back to Lethbridge-Stewart, of which I am starting the Forgotten Son, when I go into work, um tonight.
Anyway, those stories I see for sale on ebay, advertising MP3 downloads, are they pirates?
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Post by fitzoliverj on Jan 15, 2017 9:57:27 GMT
I'd think that was the case, yes.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Jan 16, 2017 9:19:32 GMT
Listened to Forgotten Son tonight.
Very in depth story, I really enjoyed very much. Just a bit to much timey whimey I think, though.
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Post by coffeeaddict on Apr 4, 2017 12:42:13 GMT
For those interested in the next run of books, the first 3 of the six slated for series 4 have been posted for pre-order on Book Depository. Or you can order them directly from Candy Jar, which is great if you live in the U.K. and aren't getting hit with the horrible exchange rate.
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