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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jan 16, 2017 13:14:30 GMT
fun fact about the Bodysnatchers, that story was mentiont in the eighth doctor audio "The Zygon Who Fell to Earth" . Where 8th Doctor, Lucie Miller and auntie Pat encountering the Zygons and the doctor remembered a few occations where he met them before. one group in the 1970s with UNIT (Terror of the Zygons ) and the other group in the 1890s (the Bodysnatchers) I would actualy hear that story on audio. There's a very oblique reference to The Scarlet Empress in The Stones of Venice as well, although you can easily take it as a bit of foreshadowing if you wish. I do like how some authors took the range's title of the New Eighth Doctor Adventures to mean that they were launching off of the prose range. The Eighth Doctor in Blood of the Daleks is very much like his novel counterpart, a little less forgiving and way more passionate than even his early wanderlust self. What was the Scarlett Empress reference?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 0:26:36 GMT
There's a very oblique reference to The Scarlet Empress in The Stones of Venice as well, although you can easily take it as a bit of foreshadowing if you wish. I do like how some authors took the range's title of the New Eighth Doctor Adventures to mean that they were launching off of the prose range. The Eighth Doctor in Blood of the Daleks is very much like his novel counterpart, a little less forgiving and way more passionate than even his early wanderlust self. What was the Scarlett Empress reference? They're examining paintings on a wall and one of them is of a woman in a glass jar, its not really clear whether or not the Doctor recognises it.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jan 17, 2017 12:47:24 GMT
What was the Scarlett Empress reference? They're examining paintings on a wall and one of them is of a woman in a glass jar, its not really clear whether or not the Doctor recognises it. Ah right. Yes its very oblique then lol
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jan 17, 2017 12:56:43 GMT
To Update my list of Novel Adapts that could have been:
Blood Harvest/Goth Opera (7/5) So Vile a Sin (7) Sleepy (7)
Twilight of the Gods/The Dark Path (2/2) Invasion of the Cat-People (2) The Crystal Bucephalus (5) Lords of the Storm (5) The Empire of Glass (1) Time of Your Life/Killing Ground (6/6) Deceit/Lucifer Rising (7/7) Legacy (7) Sanctuary (7)
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Post by mbt66 on Jan 18, 2017 17:05:28 GMT
Doctor Who in the wilderness years completely passed me by until I discovered the audios of Bug Finish.
So I haven't read and therefore do not have the nostalgia that many do, but when the adaptions were first talked about I looked them up on the net and thought that Blood Harvest & Goth Opera sounded interesting. It would appear that amongst those who have actually read the books those two are also fan favourites.
Therefore my question is - what do you think the reason Big Finish didn't adapt them?
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Post by fitzoliverj on Jan 18, 2017 19:23:17 GMT
mbt66 - I think the podcast said the novel adaptations got a lot of interest, but poor sales.
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Post by kennysmith on Jan 18, 2017 19:34:37 GMT
I would have loved Bad Therapy and Tragedy Day. And The Plotters, if Missing Adventures are allowed!
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Post by aztec on Jan 18, 2017 20:30:29 GMT
The Bodynatchers is a great bodysnatching story and it featured Lightfoot. fun fact about the Bodysnatchers, that story was mentiont in the eighth doctor audio "The Zygon Who Fell to Earth" . Where 8th Doctor, Lucie Miller and auntie Pat encountering the Zygons and the doctor remembered a few occations where he met them before. one group in the 1970s with UNIT (Terror of the Zygons ) and the other group in the 1890s (the Bodysnatchers) I would actualy hear that story on audio. And a Purple Volkswagen Beetle (possibly the very same one owned by the Doctor in the EDA novels) appears in Dark Eyes 2, whilst according to wiki, in Nevermore
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Post by Ela on Jan 18, 2017 20:32:52 GMT
fun fact about the Bodysnatchers, that story was mentiont in the eighth doctor audio "The Zygon Who Fell to Earth" . Where 8th Doctor, Lucie Miller and auntie Pat encountering the Zygons and the doctor remembered a few occations where he met them before. one group in the 1970s with UNIT (Terror of the Zygons ) and the other group in the 1890s (the Bodysnatchers) I would actualy hear that story on audio. And a Purple Volkswagen Beetle (possibly the very same one owned by the Doctor in the EDA novels) appears in Dark Eyes 2 Yes, it does, I specifically noticed the mention of the purple Beetle.
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Post by aztec on Jan 18, 2017 20:37:32 GMT
And a Purple Volkswagen Beetle (possibly the very same one owned by the Doctor in the EDA novels) appears in Dark Eyes 2 Yes, it does, I specifically noticed the mention of the purple Beetle. Since Helen and Fitz both come from 1963 London I've been wondering if they ever bumped into each other...it would be hillarious if they slipped in a reference in a future story 'Doctor I haven't been this embarrassed since I went on a date with that guitar playing oath from the garden centre...Doctor why are you looking at me like that?'
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 20:51:39 GMT
I would have loved Bad Therapy and Tragedy Day. And The Plotters, if Missing Adventures are allowed! Oh, I would have loved to hear Maureen O'Brien do the scenes between "Victor" and King James, I remember them being a laugh a minute in the book. Yes, it does, I specifically noticed the mention of the purple Beetle. Since Helen and Fitz both come from 1963 London I've been wondering if they ever bumped into each other...it would be hillarious if they slipped in a reference in a future story 'Doctor I haven't been this embarrassed since I went on a date with that guitar playing oath from the garden centre...Doctor why are you looking at me like that?' *cough* "Well, he's probably married now..." Honestly, with Benny having turned up with the Twelfth Doctor recently and Charley a playable character in Doctor Who: Legacy, there doesn't seem to be too much of an embargo nowadays on cross-pollinating continuity like there once was. The only stories that are really hard to slot into place are those from early TV Comic where the Doctor is often seen packing heat, although DWM seemed to fix that right up by saying that John and Gillian were part of a daydream he had when things got a little too rough in the real world. Fits rather neatly with the idea of Dr. Who from the Land of Fiction as well.
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Post by aztec on Jan 18, 2017 20:57:26 GMT
I would have loved Bad Therapy and Tragedy Day. And The Plotters, if Missing Adventures are allowed! Oh, I would have loved to hear Maureen O'Brien do the scenes between "Victor" and King James, I remember them being a laugh a minute in the book. Since Helen and Fitz both come from 1963 London I've been wondering if they ever bumped into each other...it would be hillarious if they slipped in a reference in a future story 'Doctor I haven't been this embarrassed since I went on a date with that guitar playing oath from the garden centre...Doctor why are you looking at me like that?' *cough* "Well, he's probably married now..." Honestly, with Benny having turned up with the Twelfth Doctor recently and Charley a playable character in Doctor Who: Legacy, there doesn't seem to be too much of an embargo nowadays on cross-pollinating continuity like there once was. The only stories that are really hard to slot into place are those from early TV Comic where the Doctor is often seen packing heat, although DWM seemed to fix that right up by saying that John and Gillian were part of a daydream he had when things got a little too rough in the real world. Fits rather neatly with the idea of Dr. Who from the Land of Fiction as well. Or even funnier, the Doctor drops Helen back off in 1963 London but spots Fitz coming round the corner (before he had met the Doctor)...''Doctor...why did you dive and hide behind that bin?'' Personally I consider everything to be equally canon/non-canon, it's a show about time travel, parallel universes time wars and paradoxes so i.m.o everything is equally valid. Maybe it's those TV Comics BF is adapting to bring them back into continuity...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 21:18:03 GMT
Oh, I would have loved to hear Maureen O'Brien do the scenes between "Victor" and King James, I remember them being a laugh a minute in the book. *cough* "Well, he's probably married now..." Honestly, with Benny having turned up with the Twelfth Doctor recently and Charley a playable character in Doctor Who: Legacy, there doesn't seem to be too much of an embargo nowadays on cross-pollinating continuity like there once was. The only stories that are really hard to slot into place are those from early TV Comic where the Doctor is often seen packing heat, although DWM seemed to fix that right up by saying that John and Gillian were part of a daydream he had when things got a little too rough in the real world. Fits rather neatly with the idea of Dr. Who from the Land of Fiction as well. Or even funnier, the Doctor drops Helen back off in 1963 London but spots Fitz coming round the corner (before he had met the Doctor)...''Doctor...why did you dive and hide behind that bin?'' Personally I consider everything to be equally canon/non-canon, it's a show about time travel, parallel universes time wars and paradoxes so i.m.o everything is equally valid. Maybe it's those TV Comics BF is adapting to bring them back into continuity... Fingers crossed, I'd be very interested to see what they do with the Kleptons and the Trods. Or that story told entirely in reverse. I have a sneaking suspicion that they may have gone after the Pat Mills and John Wagner stories like The Iron Legion and The Dogs of Doom. After all, they've already got a history of working with one of the writers for The Scapegoat and The Song of Megaptera.
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Post by Timelord007 on Jan 18, 2017 21:40:37 GMT
Steve Lyons excellent Killing Ground, Grant Markham likeness was based on my mate Alister Pearson who illustrated this cover & many others in the range.
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Post by mbt66 on Jan 18, 2017 22:17:09 GMT
mbt66 - I think the podcast said the novel adaptations got a lot of interest, but poor sales. Hi fitzoliver I did listen to the podcast and know why it isn't likely they will be adapted in the future. I was simply wondering if anyone could think of a reason why the two stories, which seem to be well regarded and certainly sound interesting on paper where omitted from the range. Did the stories, that have been adapted, offer something more than Goth Opera & Blood Harvest? Would those two stories have been difficult to adapt? Are they in some way contentious? As they involve Romana do they contradict past or future Big Finish stories? Or are they simply not very good?
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Post by Ela on Jan 18, 2017 22:31:44 GMT
Yes, it does, I specifically noticed the mention of the purple Beetle. Since Helen and Fitz both come from 1963 London I've been wondering if they ever bumped into each other...it would be hillarious if they slipped in a reference in a future story 'Doctor I haven't been this embarrassed since I went on a date with that guitar playing oath from the garden centre...Doctor why are you looking at me like that?' Ha, that would be hilarious.
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Post by dutchwhovian on Jan 19, 2017 14:32:50 GMT
mbt66 - I think the podcast said the novel adaptations got a lot of interest, but poor sales. Hi fitzoliver I did listen to the podcast and know why it isn't likely they will be adapted in the future. I was simply wondering if anyone could think of a reason why the two stories, which seem to be well regarded and certainly sound interesting on paper where omitted from the range. Did the stories, that have been adapted, offer something more than Goth Opera & Blood Harvest? Would those two stories have been difficult to adapt? Are they in some way contentious? As they involve Romana do they contradict past or future Big Finish stories? Or are they simply not very good? It could be very likely they stop it for now. Briggs and the team want now something different and they where thinking about comic books adaptations. But my high hopes are still they will continue with the novels in the distant future, because it feels its not finished yet, because of Cold Fusion's story arc of the Cartmel Masterplan is not finished and Ace's return in the Tardis with the doctor and benny three after the tragedy in Love and War. Therre are gaps in the whole continueity that the fans of the show must listen and Big Finish can adept. And of cours how Romana gain power on Gallifrey in the two vampire novels. And it would be fun to adept the some of the MA's, EDA's PDA's and of course the NDA's novels ranges.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Jan 19, 2017 17:06:48 GMT
mbt66 - I think the podcast said the novel adaptations got a lot of interest, but poor sales. I was simply wondering if anyone could think of a reason why the two stories, which seem to be well regarded and certainly sound interesting on paper where omitted from the range. Oh, I see. I think the issue is that we tend to think of this line as being to adapt the novels, but there were specific reasons for doing the particular ones they did - 1) "Love and War" - purpose: celebrate Benny 2) Gareth Roberts novels - purpose: put Tom Baker into the most Tom Bakery novels ever written 3) the one by RTD the name of which I forget - the opportunity came up, and a tie-in with the new series (even by implication) was something they were keen on 4) "All-Consuming Fire": purpose - Nick Briggs does Sherlock Holmes already 5) "Cold Fusion": purpose - Adric story people like. Like a lot. And keep insisting it ought to be done. And seeing as how Matthew Waterhouse is now on board... 6) "Original Sin": purpose - explain who the characters in "Cold Fusion" are. There's no obvious reason why the two vampire novels couldn't be done (mind you, are the cast of "State of Decay" still with us?), but there's no particular reson in favour of them. (Of course, no guarantee the writers would have agreed).
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Post by bobod on Jan 20, 2017 9:20:27 GMT
I agree totally with your point that they were specifically doing ones with a hook (although the crossover of Blood Harvest and Goth Opera is reasonably monumental)
But I think 5 and 6 are more accurately
5) A multi-doctor story.
and more pedantically 6) Chris and Roz's first story (not just explaining who characters in Cold Fusion are but doing the introduction story of two companions)
And 2) is really 2) Put Tom Baker in some very successful books by a New Series writer
I'm now thinking about Theatre of War... introduction of Brax I suppose.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 13:27:27 GMT
I was simply wondering if anyone could think of a reason why the two stories, which seem to be well regarded and certainly sound interesting on paper where omitted from the range. Oh, I see. I think the issue is that we tend to think of this line as being to adapt the novels, but there were specific reasons for doing the particular ones they did - 1) "Love and War" - purpose: celebrate Benny 2) Gareth Roberts novels - purpose: put Tom Baker into the most Tom Bakery novels ever written 3) the one by RTD the name of which I forget - the opportunity came up, and a tie-in with the new series (even by implication) was something they were keen on 4) "All-Consuming Fire": purpose - Nick Briggs does Sherlock Holmes already 5) "Cold Fusion": purpose - Adric story people like. Like a lot. And keep insisting it ought to be done. And seeing as how Matthew Waterhouse is now on board... 6) "Original Sin": purpose - explain who the characters in "Cold Fusion" are. There's no obvious reason why the two vampire novels couldn't be done (mind you, are the cast of "State of Decay" still with us?), but there's no particular reson in favour of them. (Of course, no guarantee the writers would have agreed). Maybe Paul Cornell depending on how he looks back on it ( No Future would probably get a complete rewrite if he was adapting it), but I don't think Terrance Dicks would have had a particular problem with his story being adapted.
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