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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 18, 2017 22:43:25 GMT
That doesn't sound very optimistic to me. I'd rather a film that dealt with the cancellation, the heartache of all involved (end of Act I), yet against all the odds, Doctor Who lived on, exploring the wilderness years. Here we could be introduced to a young RTD still doing his children's television stuff as an anchor, plus the many other milestone instances that dotted along the way, the fan-organised BBC phone-in, it winning the top 'Best Drama' award the corporation had ever produced during the celebration of 60 years of BBC television broadcasting, ahead of such ratings heavyweights as EastEnders and Casualty, much to the embarrassment of the people whom ran the BBC. The conventions, the New Adventures books (RTD penning a few), the Americans wanting to produce the show, the nearly made films falling through until finally the 1996 TV Movie. RTD making waves once again from his other acclaimed dramas (end of Act II). Then of course the light at the end of the tunnel as DW is seriously a strong contender for a return as now all the people we've been introduced to in Act II are in the driving seat (the start of Act III), the creation of the new series and the gathering of the most talented people around from writers, actors, monster makers, designers, SFX, etc. etc. Highs and lows and highs, that's drama. ETA. plus it's educational. The optimism comes from how the main players fight through the poor producing/managing side of things Eccleston complained about and make something that ends up being a big success. In my head it would end with a defeated Christopher Eccleston fearing that they haven't succeeded...and then the ratings come in and it is the top show on BBC1. I really don't want to see any docudrama made that admits Doctor Who was cancelled in 1989. I dread to think how the casual audience would respond in a 60th anniversary year. |
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Post by relativetime on Jun 18, 2017 22:55:10 GMT
That doesn't sound very optimistic to me. I'd rather a film that dealt with the cancellation, the heartache of all involved (end of Act I), yet against all the odds, Doctor Who lived on, exploring the wilderness years. Here we could be introduced to a young RTD still doing his children's television stuff as an anchor, plus the many other milestone instances that dotted along the way, the fan-organised BBC phone-in, it winning the top 'Best Drama' award the corporation had ever produced during the celebration of 60 years of BBC television broadcasting, ahead of such ratings heavyweights as EastEnders and Casualty, much to the embarrassment of the people whom ran the BBC. The conventions, the New Adventures books (RTD penning a few), the Americans wanting to produce the show, the nearly made films falling through until finally the 1996 TV Movie. RTD making waves once again from his other acclaimed dramas (end of Act II). Then of course the light at the end of the tunnel as DW is seriously a strong contender for a return as now all the people we've been introduced to in Act II are in the driving seat (the start of Act III), the creation of the new series and the gathering of the most talented people around from writers, actors, monster makers, designers, SFX, etc. etc. Highs and lows and highs, that's drama. ETA. plus it's educational. The optimism comes from how the main players fight through the poor producing/managing side of things Eccleston complained about and make something that ends up being a big success. In my head it would end with a defeated Christopher Eccleston fearing that they haven't succeeded...and then the ratings come in and it is the top show on BBC1. I really don't want to see any docudrama made that admits Doctor Who was cancelled in 1989. I dread to think how the casual audience would respond in a 60th anniversary year. I doubt they'd be in an uproar, as you seem to imply. Just because they watch the show more casually does not mean they can't handle drama or conflict or even stories that don't end happily. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 3:08:25 GMT
The optimism comes from how the main players fight through the poor producing/managing side of things Eccleston complained about and make something that ends up being a big success. In my head it would end with a defeated Christopher Eccleston fearing that they haven't succeeded...and then the ratings come in and it is the top show on BBC1. I really don't want to see any docudrama made that admits Doctor Who was cancelled in 1989. I dread to think how the casual audience would respond in a 60th anniversary year. I doubt they'd be in an uproar, as you seem to imply. Just because they watch the show more casually does not mean they can't handle drama or conflict or even stories that don't end happily. And that's not to say that the 1989 cancellation didn't eventually have a happy ending either. We're all still here, after all. You could make the same argument of a special covering the hiatus actually. The Sixth Doctor has had a bigger and broader life on audio than he ever probably could have on television. |
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 26, 2017 1:39:02 GMT
I doubt they'd be in an uproar, as you seem to imply. Just because they watch the show more casually does not mean they can't handle drama or conflict or even stories that don't end happily. You could make the same argument of a special covering the hiatus actually. The Sixth Doctor has had a bigger and broader life on audio than he ever probably could have on television. Turned this over in my head: who would play Colin in a biopic/bio-drama about '85? |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 26, 2017 10:21:35 GMT
You could make the same argument of a special covering the hiatus actually. The Sixth Doctor has had a bigger and broader life on audio than he ever probably could have on television. Turned this over in my head: who would play Colin in a biopic/bio-drama about '85? Nobody. The ending would feel too unsatisfactory - Colin Baker gets fired and...oh, that's abrupt. Where's the fight for justice? |
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 26, 2017 14:19:12 GMT
Turned this over in my head: who would play Colin in a biopic/bio-drama about '85? Nobody. The ending would feel too unsatisfactory - Colin Baker gets fired and...oh, that's abrupt. Where's the fight for justice? Adventure added hope at the end of a story about an old man literally losing his mind and dream job. Nothing says it couldn't happen here: maybe show Colin's later popularity at cons and BF, or even just a quick scene of a kid who likes his Doctor on the last day on Ultimate Foe. |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 26, 2017 14:28:58 GMT
Nobody. The ending would feel too unsatisfactory - Colin Baker gets fired and...oh, that's abrupt. Where's the fight for justice? Adventure added hope at the end of a story about an old man literally losing his mind and dream job. Nothing says it couldn't happen here: maybe show Colin's later popularity at cons and BF, or even just a quick scene of a kid who likes his Doctor on the last day on Ultimate Foe. William Hartnell was persuaded to leave though, whereas Colin Baker was forced against his will. Yeah, you could end with your examples but you wouldn't get the obligatory scene of Colin Baker beating the unjust system of the BBC at that time that audiences would want to see. |
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Post by fitzoliverj on Nov 26, 2017 19:57:14 GMT
It's not a great plot for a film, no, although obviously it would end with Colin reinstated in his dream role three years later, albeit on stage.
So, are there any alternative real-life stories that could be the basis for a drama? The Tom Baker/Lalla Ward relationship? The Eccleston resignation?
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 26, 2017 20:03:07 GMT
It's not a great plot for a film, no, although obviously it would end with Colin reinstated in his dream role three years later, albeit on stage. So, are there any alternative real-life stories that could be the basis for a drama? The Tom Baker/Lalla Ward relationship? The Eccleston resignation? I think the first series of the new series would make a much better docudrama. There's so much you could do there. Russell T Davies' repeated attempts to get a revival off the ground, Christopher Eccleston's unhappiness at the way runners were being treated on set, his exit forcing a hasty rewrite of Parting of the Ways and the two dummy endings being shot. There's a great ending there with Christopher Eccleston quitting in response to the poor behind-the-scenes treatment of the lower-downs, forcing the production team to reconsider their inner-workings. Plus lots of conflict with Eccleston standing up for the runners against the BBC production crew and fighting for their rights to be treated fairly and not like dirt. |
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Nov 26, 2017 20:36:24 GMT
An underdog/comeback comedy called Doctor in Distress about the mid-80s with JNT as the main character and Michael Grade as the main villain. Except Grade was right to cancel Who in the 80s. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2017 6:00:45 GMT
You could make the same argument of a special covering the hiatus actually. The Sixth Doctor has had a bigger and broader life on audio than he ever probably could have on television. Turned this over in my head: who would play Colin in a biopic/bio-drama about '85? Ooh, that is a question... Hmm...  There's got to be someone, but I've no idea who exactly. In a similar vein, I wonder who could be brought in to play JNT? |
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Post by tordred on Nov 27, 2017 13:55:08 GMT
Turned this over in my head: who would play Colin in a biopic/bio-drama about '85? Ooh, that is a question... Hmm... There's got to be someone, but I've no idea who exactly. In a similar vein, I wonder who could be brought in to play JNT? For some reason I like Mark Gatiss for both of them. |
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Nov 27, 2017 21:28:50 GMT
Ooh, that is a question... Hmm... There's got to be someone, but I've no idea who exactly. In a similar vein, I wonder who could be brought in to play JNT? For some reason I like Mark Gatiss for both of them. A Mark Gatiss Production, written by Mark Gatiss, starring Mark Gatiss as JNT, Mark Gatiss as Colin Baker, Mark Gatiss as Sylvester McCoy, and Mark Gatiss as RTD. With a special appearance by Benedict Cumberbatch as Mark Gatiss. |
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Nov 28, 2017 12:19:33 GMT
For some reason I like Mark Gatiss for both of them. A Mark Gatiss Production, written by Mark Gatiss, starring Mark Gatiss as JNT, Mark Gatiss as Colin Baker, Mark Gatiss as Sylvester McCoy, and Mark Gatiss as RTD. With a special appearance by Benedict Cumberbatch as Mark Gatiss. featuring Nicolas Briggs in every other supporting role |
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There's got to be someone, but I've no idea who exactly. In a similar vein, I wonder who could be brought in to play JNT?
