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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2017 0:57:59 GMT
Hey everyone,
How do you view the revival series? (Newcommers, this is a forum for respectful and mindful discussion only.) |
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Post by elkawho on Jan 25, 2017 3:07:36 GMT
I'm thankful for it. If it wasn't for the modern series I would never have been a Who fan and would never have found Big Finish. Plus I have discovered so many wonderful actors and writers through my love of the Doctor Who modern series. So, even when it doesn't live up to my expectations, I think it's been a very positive force in my life. But michaelhocking, I would love to hear what you think of your own question. What's your opinion? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2017 3:35:27 GMT
I'm very much not a fan of it right now, but I'm still happy we had it to begin with. If nothing else it made schoolyard conversations far easier because everyone knew what a Dalek was by the time of David Tennant's tenure on the show. I'd have probably been a fan anyway because of the thirtieth-anniversary reruns, but I don't think I would have otherwise looked up "Etra Prime incident" from the 2006 Annual and found The Apocalypse Element on the Doctor Who Reference Guide without it. I remember The Raincloud Man was yet to come out when I went looking on Big Finish's website for the story with four of my favourite things -- the Sixth Doctor, Romana, the Daleks and Gallifrey.
Nowadays I tend to defer to the DWM comics when I want a fix of NuWho, there was something truly inspiring about bringing back Ian and Barbara for Hunters of the Burning Stone and having them be the ones to champion such an upbraided Doctor. I've said it before, but the revival series just does not handle the concept of death or consequence well for a dramatic show. It is one of its greatest albatrosses at the moment. Listen to Project: Lazarus and Arrangements for War and tell me it's wrong for the Doctor and Evelyn to be so distraught. When you listen to these performances, have gotten to know these characters so well and then have the new show pull yet another resurrection, it's just like a punch in the gut for everything that was lost by these people we adore.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2017 3:40:38 GMT
I'm thankful for it. If it wasn't for the modern series I would never have been a Who fan and would never have found Big Finish. Plus I have discovered so many wonderful actors and writers through my love of the Doctor Who modern series. So, even when it doesn't live up to my expectations, I think it's been a very positive force in my life. But michaelhocking , I would love to hear what you think of your own question. What's your opinion?
Thanks, Elka 
As much as I love the revival, in many ways, I have to view it as it's own thing. I'm a big fan of the alien nature of The Doctor and while I love how The Doctor absousetly adores humanity (they produced Sarah Jane!). I'm not a fan of The Doctor falling in love with his human companions, either and I did enjoy the somewhat mystery of if The Doctor even *felt* things like that (Granddaughter, withstanding and it's not as if the progression from The First Doctor to the rest of the series is exactly an easy or reconcible one).
As a kid, growing up in the nineties, scouring second hand bookshops for Target novelisations, one of the big things I loved and latched onto about The Doctor was his hatred of violence and determination to find another way. I didn't really like violence as a kid and I'm not too much of a fan now. As tragic and as well-written the Time War is to break The Doctor of old, I've always felt it was a mistaken to position The Doctor as war-wear war veteran, even with RTD's best of intentions (he didn't want kids to watch a series with a man speaking over a woman and that's something I can defiantly get behind)
even worse then the machinations of the Seventh Doctor and that kids - and the pop culture landscape - lost something important as a result. I just don't feel it was right to pup my Doctor (all of them) in that position and in some ways, I'd rather he stay in the mists of yesteryear then be brought back in such a fashion. That's not the story of The Doctor in the revival never moved me - The Waters of Mars, The End of Time, Dalek, The Time of The Doctor, The Day of The Doctor - etc are some of my favourite stories under the revival, but I still miss The Doctor of yesteryear. Odd, strange and baffling, flawed and silly, but fundmentally compassionate and empathetic and determined to find a peaceful solution in the face of a often cruel universe, even with those goggly eyes.
That doesn't mean, however, I take the view that Big Finish shouldn't refer to the revival series or that it shouldn't influence their stories. Doctor Who is bigger then me, after all! There are people who enjoy the new direction and anything that contributes to the ongoing narrative needs to reflect that. If I want yesteryear, I should just rewatch old episodes and not bother anyone else about it and Big Finish does the impossible in attempting to please all fans.
I certiantly don't hate Rose (she's nineteen, fandom, isn't that the explanation that you need?), loved Martha and DONNA! and Amy and adore the way the revival series has really developed the companions and view it as a logical progression to keep the mystery of The Doctor intact with the character-based nature of television today. If anything, I actually wish the revival would draw the curtain back further on The Doctor in recent years and feel we've seen far too much.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jan 25, 2017 4:51:52 GMT
I view the revival series exactly the same way I view the classic series. It is one of the best shows that has ever been on television.
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Post by shutupbanks on Jan 25, 2017 6:25:19 GMT
For me it's just a continuation: Hartnell's show was different in some ways to Troughton's, which was different to Pertwee's and so on. The trappings change with every new producer or Doctor but the essence of the show remains basically the same.
I love it as a whole but there are bits that I don't enjoy as much - much as I felt with the Classic series. I miss the multi-part adventures, non-linked adventures, the Doctor traveling the universe with people he isn't romantically entangled with. Conversely, I wish there had been more "arc" stuff in Classic (and not just "... of Infinity"), more domestic stuff involving companions lives (although you could view some of 3's UNIT stories in that vein, and the Tegan/ Adric wanting to get home in Season 19 as well) and a more consistent "tone" between the episodes, script and production-wise. I definitely miss the days when the Doctor toppled governments on a regular basis, though.
The revival was probably the television highlight of the 'noughties for me: especially as it was successful beyond anyone's expectations and remains so. I felt vindicated as a fan for loving it so long after the cancellation. It helped that it was - and remains - pretty good television as well.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Jan 25, 2017 7:42:12 GMT
I don't much care for it. There are bits and pieces I like, but far to much timey whimey for my tastes, BF is so much better, just sayin.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 25, 2017 9:25:49 GMT
The new series is better than the classic series.
- Better Doctors
- Better writing
- Better acting
- Better directing
- Better music
- Better visual effects
- Better SFX
Don't get me wrong, I do like the classic series and the classic series Doctors are all great but it's nothing compared to the quality of the new series.
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Post by mark687 on Jan 25, 2017 9:29:52 GMT
As a continuation of the Series as BF stuff is
2005-2010 very good, Strong performances, concise plots, almost a Hinchcliffe revival.
2010-2013 Unsure/Bad performances, meandering story Arc, chucked styles of Lambert, Williams and JNT in a blender and hoped for the best.
2014- Back to strong performances supporting varying quality plots, moving back to Hinchcliffe but still with more than a dash of JNT.
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Post by CookieMaster on Jan 25, 2017 10:06:44 GMT
Currently, my enthusiasm for it has waned a little. Nothing wrong with the actors or production crew, it's just that i prefer Big Finish's output more right now.
Back in the day, i was all over it, smashing piece of television...and by back in the day i'm talking series 1-5. That being said i still very much love the show, and our current Doctor, that will never end.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2017 11:36:36 GMT
I think, looking back, that the emotional side of the revived series was overdone. The Doctor crying and falling in love was interesting because it hadn't really been done before, but I'm glad that side of his character has been toned down and he is back to being an idealist, in love with adventure and little else. The Ninth and Tenth Doctor being in love with Rose was well done and interesting, but the Eleventh Doctor fancying Clara didn't really work. Apart from that, I love the revived series. I love that even now in its tenth/eleventh year, it still surprises and experiments. I love how the Doctor is still a fascinating character. And mostly I love that Doctor Who is just as strange and weird and unique as it was when it first began in 1963.
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Post by eldersensorite on Jan 25, 2017 18:50:51 GMT
As one of the younger members of the forum, I grew up with David Tennant in the same way many here grew up with the likes of Tom Baker. The RTD era undoubtedly did a lot to shape who I am as a person and it is just perfect to me (yeah, I realise it's not perfect, but... I guess it's kind of nostalgia. I'm reluctant to use the word nostalgia for something that ended 7 years ago, but I don't know how else to describe it). However, I haven't enjoyed the Moffat era, which sucks but I also probably wouldn't have got into Big Finish, or at least not until much later. I used to be pretty annoyed at Moffat (I am an entitled child) but I've learnt to accept that different showrunners will take the show in different directions. People are enjoying the show, and that's great, but I couldn't carry on watching and I remain optimistic for Chibnall's run.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2017 19:05:44 GMT
I view the revival series on my telly, pretty much the same way I viewed the classic series.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2017 22:34:01 GMT
The RTD stuff is good. But I wouldn't say that after that is particularly good. I really don't like Matt Smith's era and I do get the feeling that many people think that it isn't generally regarded, especially Series 6 and 7. However, despite me really not thinking Capaldi is great, I think the stories have improved, particularly the ones written by Moffat, after Deep Breath. I think this is very likely because he gets to write less, though.
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Post by chrism1999 on Jan 26, 2017 15:13:52 GMT
The only series I've watched consistently at release was series 6 (and decent proportions of series 1 and 8), and that was mostly because my then GF and her housemates all used to watch it on Saturday evening so I'd pop round. Otherwise, I might catch the odd episode if I happen to have the Saturday night off work or at Christmas, though I haven't bothered yet with this year's.
I can appreciate it as Saturday night TV, and there's the odd episode I do really enjoy (Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead and The Day of the Doctor being my favourites), but overall it just doesn't have the charm or heart for me of the classic series, and there's only so much of that absence that shiny SFX can cover up.
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