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Post by icecreamdf on Jan 30, 2017 22:21:18 GMT
I think there are a few loud people on both sides, and most people wouldn't care. I don't think casting a woman would really help or hurt the show any more than casting another man would. It all depends on the actress. But we've got to remember, we're both unreliable. We're both bias. That's what I'm saying. I think people like us will complain if we don't like the casting choices. Most people will just keep watching the show and not know that there is any kind of controversy.
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Post by sexbombsimon on Jan 30, 2017 22:24:34 GMT
So shocked at tonightds news. I think Tom Hughes would be perfect as the Doctor. Here starts the next 11 months of speculation.
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Post by doctorkernow on Jan 30, 2017 22:26:19 GMT
Hello again. Hee hee hee, how to put the Cybermat among the Daleks. Paterson Joseph is currently busy with Timeless currently showing on E4 but that may not be renewed.
I would have loved to see more from Peter, maybe in time he'll do something for Big Finish. I hope so. He is an unpredictable Doctor, always interesting to watch.
I don't really have any ideas for Doctor 13. Given that filming for Season 11 will have to start in the late summer/ early autumn it wouldn't surprise me if Mr. Chibnall already has, like all the fans, his short list ready. Perhaps there is an actor out there with a rather big secret.
Aren't we lucky? A new series with Doctor 12 and Bill and then... 2018 New Doctor, new showrunner and hopefully a less astringent version of the theme, Mr. Gold? Please...
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Post by icecreamdf on Jan 30, 2017 22:30:59 GMT
I wonder how he's going to regenerate. I know its happenned three times before, but I'm guessing the Master will be involved.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 22:35:26 GMT
It's been on the cards, but it's no less sad for being slightly expected. With both his predecessors doing 3 and a new showrunner coming in, it's seemed to be somewhat inevitable. It really does point to Series 11 being as fresh a start as Series 5 was. That's the exciting part of being a Who fan - we really don't know whats coming next.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jan 30, 2017 22:37:50 GMT
It's been on the cards, but it's no less sad for being slightly expected. With both his predecessors doing 3 and a new showrunner coming in, it's seemed to be somewhat inevitable. It really does point to Series 11 being as fresh a start as Series 5 was. That's the exciting part of being a Who fan - we really don't know whats coming next. Whenever Moffat talks about season 5 in interviews, he talks about how the future of the show was uncertain at the time, and how many thought that the show wouldn't last without Tennant and RTD. I hope a similar thing isn't happenning now.
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Post by doctorkernow on Jan 30, 2017 22:39:17 GMT
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Post by muckypup on Jan 30, 2017 22:40:23 GMT
Great news, for me capaldis never became the doctor, all the guitar, sunglasses & eyebrows gimmicks feel desperate. He was hampered by a in out companion who should have gone before 11's regen. To be frank I just don't really like him, or the spikey Doctor personality. There have been moments of greatness but not enough, John hurt made far more impact in 1 & a bit hours than capaldi has in 20+ hours.
Fresh start, new blood will only be a good thing.
I doubt that a new shows runner will take the bold step to cast a female doctor as his first decision.
Tomorrow the papers will be full of speculation which will almost certainly all be wrong.
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Post by aztec on Jan 30, 2017 22:41:04 GMT
Well...I think that's me done with New Who then.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jan 30, 2017 22:42:08 GMT
Well...I think that's me done with New Who then. You don't even want to wait until Thirteen is cast?
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Post by christmastrenzalore on Jan 30, 2017 22:47:11 GMT
Well, on the bright side we get a new Doctor. I kinda want to stay in the dark about who they cast until air-day, but somehow I find that unlikely.
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Post by pawntake on Jan 30, 2017 22:47:17 GMT
Wasn't Olivia Coleman going to be the next James Bond?? (Just fake news I know!!) Surely more fake news? The 1st female Doctor?? (I think she would be great bye the way )
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jan 30, 2017 22:55:26 GMT
and hopefully a less astringent version of the theme, Mr. Gold? Please... Unless the rumours about Blair Rowan taking over turn out to be true. Would a good time for a change in composer.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 22:57:34 GMT
It's been on the cards, but it's no less sad for being slightly expected. With both his predecessors doing 3 and a new showrunner coming in, it's seemed to be somewhat inevitable. It really does point to Series 11 being as fresh a start as Series 5 was. That's the exciting part of being a Who fan - we really don't know whats coming next. Whenever Moffat talks about season 5 in interviews, he talks about how the future of the show was uncertain at the time, and how many thought that the show wouldn't last without Tennant and RTD. I hope a similar thing isn't happenning now. Yeah, I didn't buy it then and don't know. The show is a cashcow regardless of whether any of us like the current direction or not. Tennant's last year and the specials saw the show reach it's consistently highest ratings ever. It was not as uncertain as some think. I don't doubt there was a lot of worry over how they would keep the show at the top, but it was not in "real" danger. Since then the Beeb have lost The Bakeoff, The Voice and "real" Top Gear - they need to keep the mega-brands they do have And unlike those other shows - they own DW outright with no production companies taking a slice of the pie and able to u sticks and leave the Beeb. It was the show that brought in the highest international sales for Series 8 in 2014 and Series 9 in 2015 to 189 countries. Doctor Who is going absolutely nowhere for the forseeable.
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Post by doctorkernow on Jan 30, 2017 22:59:27 GMT
Hello again. Sorry Icecreamdf. I can't work out this quoting business. You said,
"I think there are a few loud people on both sides, and most people wouldn't care. I don't think casting a woman would really help or hurt the show any more than casting another man would. It all depends on the actress."
I agree. The Doctor is the Doctor. It is an odd part as actors have to put something of themselves into creating their Doctor. You like some Doctors, you have your absolute favourite and the best thing is you have this kaleidoscopic character that is a cosmic hobo, a eccentric bohemian or a youthful hero.
Each have their strengths and weaknesses. Each actor tries their best to make their Doctor unforgettable.
I remember writing a 'what if' post listing the actors who could have played each Doctor if the programme had cast a female lead actor.
I think with Missy we have an interesting dynamic. The Doctor finds it more difficult to deal with his old enemy in her current incarnation. So I doubt that we will see a female Doctor, but we live in interesting times...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 22:59:41 GMT
Well...I think that's me done with New Who then. You don't even want to wait until Thirteen is cast? Never mind cast - how about had their first frame shot much less broadcast?
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Post by aztec on Jan 30, 2017 23:00:33 GMT
Well...I think that's me done with New Who then. You don't even want to wait until Thirteen is cast? Capaldi's casting reignited my waining interest in New Who, he's easily my favourite Doctor of the revival series and I've enjoyed the series more than last two series than I had done since it first came back, although I had mostly enjoyed the series with Eccleston and Tennant I was never a hardcore fan and had rather fallen out of love with the series in the Smith years (I thought Smith was an excellent Doctor but I wasn't too keen on most of his storylines), around the 50th Anniversary I started watching the Classic series and listening to BF audios, McGann became 'my' Doctor but I still had little interest in revisiting the series. When Capaldi was cast I decided to give it another shot, I was already a huge fan of his work and really intrigued by the move back towards an older, more reserved Doctor, and for me at least he hasn't dissapointed, as much as I admired his three predecessors none had really spoken to me in the way that the 12th Doctor has, it was with his era that I moved from casual fan to dedicated viewer, I've never had the budget or time to follow more than a few of the Doctors, but 12 is certainly one that has spoken to me more than many others. Capaldi is such a good actor, I've really enjoyed the gravitas and darkness that an older actor brings to the role, the 12th Doctor has such a fascinating blend of haunted darkness, emotional brittleness and biting sarcasm that I've been gripped since the first moments of Deep Breath, and having begun to watch the Classic series I see many echoes of Hartnell and Tom Baker's Doctors in his performance, a very welcome callback to Classic Who, I'm uttely gutted as it felet he had barely got started in the role and Capaldi's comments in recent months over wanting to stick around for a long while had me hopeful that he would break the 3 series and done pattern. ...In some ways, I'm not too surprised he's leaving, his contract had expired, those are very punishing hours for a man in his 50's (who unlike Tennant and Smith at the time is married with a family to think of) and Chibnall no doubt has very different ideas on where to take the show to Moffat, but I'm no less gutted. I know I'm rambling but I'm really gutted by this news, rumours I've read on GB and elsewhere in recent months that hinted this was coming seemed to imply that some at the BBC viewed Capald's Doctor as something of a failure and the casting of an old Doctor in the role a mistake...now before anyone thinks I'm a grumpy old man (I'm 25) I'm just fearful that the BBC may end up putting the Tenannt and Smith years on a pedestal and move back to a well trod, old format with another 30 year old with quirky hair in the role, New Who may end up becoming stifled by its own sucess. I know I'm a regular poster at this forum and have read/watched/listened to a substantial amount of Who by most of the Doctors so it may seem churlish or childish of me to write off an era before it even starts, but I've always enjoyed certain eras of the show much more than others...and if those rumours about Chibnall Who being made partly by committee have any basis in fact I'm going to be very dissapointed. ...Sorry if that comes across as kinda ranty, everyone has there own biases and opinions I'm just really gutted...Eccleston was my first Doctor, Tennant was the Doctor when I was growing up, and McGann has become my Doctor through BF...but Capaldi was the first Doctor I watched as a fan, not a casual viewer and I find this news all the sadder because of it.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jan 30, 2017 23:01:38 GMT
Of course, like every time, it's sad but hey, Chibnail's sticking to a clean slate, so that's never not exciting.
That said, the downside to all of this (other than waiting five years for a 12 boxset from BF) is the fact that this is starting to legitimize that Mirror article from a few months. Aside from the fact that the Mirror getting a Who rumour right isn't exactly comforting given the nonsense they've printed before, it colours whoever plays 13 if, IF, they go young again. If the next person is under 30, it will undeniably carry some stench of arbitrary kneejerk 'last guy was too old, didn't move toys' to it, no matter how good the actor will likely be.
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Post by doctorkernow on Jan 30, 2017 23:07:06 GMT
Hello again. Purely out of curiosity and amusement I have just travelled back in time and raided the old Big Finish forum. Having been mildly amused and intrigued by an American Dr Who list featuring Gene Wilder and Vincent Price, excellent! I started wondering who would have played Who if our hero had been female...? Before Timelord007 has a seizure, this is only an exercise in fantasy casting. Have a go! So here goes... Note the actresses chosen roughly fit the original Who timeframe, this meant some excellent choices went by the wayside because either too young or too old. 1963-66 Joan Hickson - An actress who would have had that combination of absent-minded fluff and inner steel. 1966-69 June Whitfield - A superb comic actress whose comedy would hide a calculating intelligence. 1970-74 Honor Blackman - Her character in the Avengers would be good preparation for the all-action Unit years. 1975-81 Glenda Jackson - A really difficult choice. Tom is unique. However, Glenda's forthright characterisation as Elizabeth I and her appearance with Morecombe and Wise show her versatility. 1982-1984 Emma Thompson - A complete contrast perhaps with a gentler approach but a fine actress. 1984-1986 Miriam Margolyes - Theatrical, bombastic with a sense of outrage and a naughty sense of humour. 1987-1989 Pauline McLynn -Very difficult choice. Irish rather than Scottish but a similar anarchic comic style overlying a more serious manipulative manner. 1996 Celia Imrie More British than bad weather an enthusiastic lover of life, the universe and everything. 2005 Holly Aird Controversial perhaps. She is a no-nonsense performer who has that dark edge to her. This was another tricky one. 2005-2010 Olivia Coleman Well-versed in comedy and drama. Breezes through her time as the Doctor with great charm. 2010-2013 Sheridan Smith A youthful cheeky Doctor with an ability to act older than her physical appearance. 2013-2017 Lesley Sharpe A prickly character who finds it difficult to relate to those around them. She has the sharp edges smoothed by travelling with Nardole but is never cuddly. 2017- ? Well that's it... Have fun with this. It is more difficult than you might think.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jan 30, 2017 23:08:42 GMT
Comparisons to Colin have not been alien to comment sections either, in terms of character and era, and while I doubt this is what happened, one cannot help but wonder, even if a little, if this is not a smokescreen.
As said, the fact that this legitimizes what that article said does also raise a little concern over the BBC's priorities. If they think pumping up the ratings means Xerox the RTD era, then that's no better than what the latter Moffat era was criticized for, just swapping out one type of Who nostalgia for another.
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