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Post by Zagreus on Mar 2, 2017 23:36:23 GMT
If the show had continued into the mid and late 70s, what literature, films, or whatever do you think the writers would have "borrowed" ideas from?
As I've stated elsewhere, I think Invasion of the Body Snatchers is ripe material for Dark Shadows. I also think they would have borrowed from their Hammer Horror brethren, and brought in the major monsters they hadn't yet featured on the show, The Mummy and The Creature From the Black Lagoon (the latter possibly in a Shadow Over Innsmouth, in typical "let's teal from Lovecraft" fashion). Perhaps the Mummy could be involved in the proposed third Laura story, tying in to her and Quentin's trip to Egypt back in the day?
As far as literature... well, they said themselves they probably would have stolen from Stephen King, so maybe some sort of Carrie plot? Perhaps they would have also turned to some of the other great strange fiction authors, and featured a strange theater group / circus coming to town, ala The King in Yellow?
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Post by barnabaslives on Mar 3, 2017 0:26:39 GMT
Back when I had an obsession with trying to come up with more stories that could have run on the OS, I was pretty sure if they'd gotten around to it they might have assimilated The Invisible Man and The Legend of Sleep Hollow.
I made up a very rough outline of a story where the secret of invisibility is stolen from Petofi who might have already had time to perfect it and may already be at work on creating invisible armies. It's tested by that very clever lad Quentin Collins I who designs Stairways into Time. Unfortunately Quentin's assistant isn't very reliable because Petofi keeps possessing him, and not only does Quentin accidentally become invisible during their first skirmish, but after Quentin has been throughly blackmailed by a Trask who keeps losing the orphanage's money at the poker table, Quentin has the further misfortune of having his laboratory set up in the same place that Laura sets ablaze in the course of taking David Radcliffe with her into the glorious Egyptian afterlife, also claiming the lives of Quentin, Daphne, and their two children Colleen Collins and Franklin Edison Collins after Petofi has locked them all in.
It's an incident so tragic and so thoroughly purged from Collins history that it's easier for Barnabas to go back in time to find out about it than get a word of it out of Quentin. (The incident takes place at the previous Seaview, which Caleb has had faithfully reconstructed after the fateful fire, and aspires to explain why a waiting period of 100 years appears in a stipulation in Caleb's will - because he's trying to make sure Laura doesn't do it a second time).
I forget what happens in the story to be based on Irving - Judah Zachary's body comes back with a pumpkin for a head or some such, at the risk of type-casting James Storm as the headless guy :-) - but I figured these might well be along the lines of what Dan Curtis might have done if Dark Shadows has continued, given what came before. (I really would like to know whatever happened to Quentin I and Daphne!)
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Post by Zagreus on Mar 3, 2017 1:15:33 GMT
Ah yes, The Invisible Man seems an obvious choice, now that I think about it.
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Post by coldlazarou on Mar 3, 2017 7:18:10 GMT
We really are missing a mummy, aren't we, as classic monsters go? Vampires - check. Werewolves - check. Frankenstein and the Bride of Frankenstein - check. Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde - check. A mummy just seems so screamingly obvious that it's strange they never got round to it. Though i suppose Laura's Egyptian hoodoo stuff is a bit 'Jewel of the Seven Stars' / 'Blood from the Mummy's Tomb' at a pinch.
I know one of the Marilyn Ross novels has a mummy, and i think it's one of the ones my gran used to have when i was a kid, but i remember nothing about it sadly.
Oh, and for maximum Universal Horror homage, a henchman somewhere in the show really should have had a hunchback. Maybe Lazlo.
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Post by Zagreus on Mar 3, 2017 7:26:37 GMT
We really are missing a mummy, aren't we, as classic monsters go? Vampires - check. Werewolves - check. Frankenstein and the Bride of Frankenstein - check. Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde - check. A mummy just seems so screamingly obvious that it's strange they never got round to it. Though i suppose Laura's Egyptian hoodoo stuff is a bit 'Jewel of the Seven Stars' / 'Blood from the Mummy's Tomb' at a pinch. I know one of the Marilyn Ross novels has a mummy, and i think it's one of the ones my gran used to have when i was a kid, but i remember nothing about it sadly. Oh, and for maximum Universal Horror homage, a henchman somewhere in the show really should have had a hunchback. Maybe Lazlo. Man the Ross novels have everything. Body Snatchers, Mummy, Vampires, Pirate Ghosts, Warlocks, South American gods, stories set in other time periods randomly, the works...
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Post by silverednickle on Mar 18, 2017 17:41:02 GMT
I love where Big Finish has taken the show, from bringing in plotlines that would not have been imagined or possible in the early 70s, using the audio medium in ways a show could not (even bringing in old audio clips to seemingly resurrect characters for the show), and a healthy mix of authors from various backgrounds to both fill in the blanks of the original show and add on a whole new mix of adventures.
One that I would like would be something about the source of the Collins curse. Is it a series of unfortunate events from people meddling in paranormal stuff? Is it Angelique's, Brutus', or Judah's curse? Is Collinport on some sort of power nexus or hellmouth (like Charmed or Buffy)? Is it more about the Leviathan's first landing point that somehow leaves power behind for other supernatural happenings?
Part of wondered when they brought in Cody and Dr. Hill, establishing that Cody was part Native American if they were setting something up eventually. I guess time will tell.
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Post by Trace on Mar 18, 2017 23:50:27 GMT
Hasn't this been touched on? The Leviathans, the Pearl........the memories are hazy....
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Post by Rob Morris on Mar 19, 2017 11:47:34 GMT
Yeah, why the Collinses and Collinsport are cursed is very much part of the Crimson Pearl and Harvest of Souls storylines.
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Post by omega on Mar 19, 2017 11:53:27 GMT
Yeah, why the Collinses and Collinsport are cursed is very much part of the Crimson Pearl and Harvest of Souls storylines. The Dark Lord has also taken a lot of interest in Collinsport. He manipulated the Trasks and set a lot of wheels in motion to get his Son manifested. Final Judgement hints that he may have even pushed Barnabas and Josette together, bringing Angelique (who he could influence) to Collinwood. Then there's Blood & Fire.
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Post by silverednickle on Mar 19, 2017 19:07:51 GMT
You're all correct. I guess I just want a big curse moment for the whole line of Collinses, like Brutus Collins did in parallel time or Miranda duVal in Dark Shadows: The Salem Branch.
I still say that something could be done with Native American tribes. The Penobscot tribes would have had the land for about 11,000 years before the Collins came over. The Nonintercourse Act, which stated that the transfer of reservation lands to non-tribal members had to be approved by the United States Congress, might have annoyed a few people as their lands were slowly taken by European-Americans. Over 60% of the state of Maine is believed to have been taken thanks to this act.
I also feel like more could be done with the sea. Sure, we have a few tales of pirates, ghosts, and the Leviathans of the Sea, but there's a lot of great mythology. I'm sure there could even be some tales along the docks of Collinsport or even the Collins Cannery and Fishing Fleet.
On the other end, we have the gypsies. We know of Magda, Sandor, and Ivanka, but how are these people related? Why do the gypsies prize having power over the Collinses in The Crimson Pearl? What creatures of the Romani tradition could be set loose in Collinwood?
This is not to say that I have not enjoyed the many countless tales Dark Shadows and later Big Finish have created. Half the fun are the amazing ideas and characters I would have never come up with myself.
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