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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 14:13:12 GMT
No, it isn't. My mum and wife both love Top Gear. Many women are petrol heads. And if it were aimed at men, then how come Suzi Perry isnt one of the presenters? I'd happily watch her all night. Because it would spoil the show's blokey approach. Is blokey a code word for sexist? Seriously you think female Ice Warriors are long overdue but not female Top Gear presenters?
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Post by sherlock on Mar 16, 2017 14:45:33 GMT
No, it isn't. My mum and wife both love Top Gear. Many women are petrol heads. And if it were aimed at men, then how come Suzi Perry isnt one of the presenters? I'd happily watch her all night. Because it would spoil the show's blokey approach. What does blokey even mean? If you mean irreverently, jokingly or cheeky I think plenty of women would meet that criteria
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 16, 2017 14:53:30 GMT
Because it would spoil the show's blokey approach. What does blokey even mean? If you mean irreverently, jokingly or cheeky I think plenty of women would meet that criteria Down to Earth pub talk about cars, women and in some cases, politics. Typically discussed over a pint of beer between a group of lads.
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Post by sherlock on Mar 16, 2017 15:08:13 GMT
What does blokey even mean? If you mean irreverently, jokingly or cheeky I think plenty of women would meet that criteria Down to Earth pub talk about cars, women and in some cases, politics. Typically discussed over a pint of beer between a group of lads. Right. How does that apply to Top Gear? Sure the presenters' style is quite blokey then, but the show is still just a car show. To put it another way, being blockey in tone does not mean it's aimed only for blokes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 15:27:49 GMT
What does blokey even mean? If you mean irreverently, jokingly or cheeky I think plenty of women would meet that criteria Down to Earth pub talk about cars, women and in some cases, politics. Typically discussed over a pint of beer between a group of lads. Lets ignore the bit about discussing women, since this is a car show. Suzi Perry would fit perfectly into that category then. Any group of lads in a pub would be happy to have her come talk cars with them. Despite her being a woman. Or because of her being a woman. You'll be criticising golf clubs for allowing women to become members next.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 16, 2017 15:33:09 GMT
Down to Earth pub talk about cars, women and in some cases, politics. Typically discussed over a pint of beer between a group of lads. Lets ignore the bit about discussing women, since this is a car show. Suzi Perry would fit perfectly into that category then. Any group of lads in a pub would be happy to have her come talk cars with them. Despite her being a woman. Or because of her being a woman. You'll be criticising golf clubs for allowing women to become members next. Why would I be criticising golf clubs? Golf is completely different. It's a sport so isn't aimed towards a particular audience, apart from companies who try to advertise it towards retired pensioners.
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Post by jasonward on Mar 16, 2017 15:52:49 GMT
Lets ignore the bit about discussing women, since this is a car show. Suzi Perry would fit perfectly into that category then. Any group of lads in a pub would be happy to have her come talk cars with them. Despite her being a woman. Or because of her being a woman. You'll be criticising golf clubs for allowing women to become members next. Why would I be criticising golf clubs? Golf is completely different. It's a sport so isn't aimed towards a particular audience, apart from companies who try to advertise it towards retired pensioners. Golf is aimed at people that like golf, like Top Gear is aimed at people that like cars, gender doesn't define either.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 16:34:08 GMT
Lets ignore the bit about discussing women, since this is a car show. Suzi Perry would fit perfectly into that category then. Any group of lads in a pub would be happy to have her come talk cars with them. Despite her being a woman. Or because of her being a woman. You'll be criticising golf clubs for allowing women to become members next. Why would I be criticising golf clubs? Golf is completely different. It's a sport so isn't aimed towards a particular audience, apart from companies who try to advertise it towards retired pensioners. What jasonward said
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Post by doomlord on Mar 16, 2017 17:35:37 GMT
I'm getting the distinct vibe that someone needs to surround themselves with more women in their lives to know what they're really like.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 16, 2017 17:40:48 GMT
I'm getting the distinct vibe that someone needs to surround themselves with more women in their lives to know what they're really like. You're not seeing it from the perspective of a TV executive. Top Gear can be enjoyed by any age or gender, but those in charge are aiming it at a very specific audience.
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Post by jasonward on Mar 16, 2017 17:51:27 GMT
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 16, 2017 20:11:25 GMT
Different context though. The Grand Tour is on Amazon Prime, which is a subscription service you have to pay for. Top Gear is on BBC2 and accessible to every household in the UK.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Mar 17, 2017 0:02:35 GMT
Different context though. The Grand Tour is on Amazon Prime, which is a subscription service you have to pay for. Top Gear is on BBC2 and accessible to every household in the UK. That's relative though. I have Amazon Prime and I couldn't be arsed watching those racist homophobes. Eating a Magnum is gay? Even Clarkson was shocked by that. Their biggest soap job? Convincing people that three incredibly rich tory-ish blokes in dad jeans were somehow anti-establishment. Genius.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 6:42:40 GMT
I'm getting the distinct vibe that someone needs to surround themselves with more women in their lives to know what they're really like. You're not seeing it from the perspective of a TV executive. Top Gear can be enjoyed by any age or gender, but those in charge are aiming it at a very specific audience. No you seem unaware that TV executives know full well that women can appeal to that audience as well, if not better, than men. The Leela effect we could call it.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 17, 2017 9:25:11 GMT
Different context though. The Grand Tour is on Amazon Prime, which is a subscription service you have to pay for. Top Gear is on BBC2 and accessible to every household in the UK. That's relative though. I have Amazon Prime and I couldn't be arsed watching those racist homophobes. Eating a Magnum is gay? Even Clarkson was shocked by that. . You're in the minority. The Grand Tour has got more views than any other Amazon Prime show.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 17, 2017 9:28:05 GMT
You're not seeing it from the perspective of a TV executive. Top Gear can be enjoyed by any age or gender, but those in charge are aiming it at a very specific audience. No you seem unaware that TV executives know full well that women can appeal to that audience as well, if not better, than men. The Leela effect we could call it. I think we'll have to agree to disagree here, but I know for a fact from what I've learned on my BTEC media course at college a few years ago and the current university degree I am studying that target audiences are sometimes very specific about gender and always specific about age (there's usually an age range these TV executives aim a TV Show at).
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Post by jasonward on Mar 17, 2017 10:32:05 GMT
That's relative though. I have Amazon Prime and I couldn't be arsed watching those racist homophobes. Eating a Magnum is gay? Even Clarkson was shocked by that. . You're in the minority. The Grand Tour has got more views than any other Amazon Prime show. 2.3m watched from a population of 64.1m and charlesuirdhein is in the minority for being part of the remaining 61.8m?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 10:48:29 GMT
You're in the minority. The Grand Tour has got more views than any other Amazon Prime show. 2.3m watched from a population of 64.1m and charlesuirdhein is in the minority for being part of the remaining 61.8m? Ah c'mon Jason, he quite clearly said " any other Amazon Prime show" ... and 64.1m people in the UK do not subscribe to Amazon Prime. I know sometimes discussions with DalekBuster can be like having teeth pulled, but it's obvious what he meant.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 10:50:25 GMT
No you seem unaware that TV executives know full well that women can appeal to that audience as well, if not better, than men. The Leela effect we could call it. I think we'll have to agree to disagree here, but I know for a fact from what I've learned on my BTEC media course at college a few years ago and the current university degree I am studying that target audiences are sometimes very specific about gender and always specific about age (there's usually an age range these TV executives aim a TV Show at). Im not disagreeing about any of that. I am disagreeing about whether a woman could be presenter on a TV show about cars aimed at middle aged men. Speaking as a member of said target audience Id rather have a woman who knew her stuff and was good at presenting than Matt le Blanc, who i find quite wooden. Especially if it was Suzi Perry. Sigh.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 17, 2017 10:59:20 GMT
I think we'll have to agree to disagree here, but I know for a fact from what I've learned on my BTEC media course at college a few years ago and the current university degree I am studying that target audiences are sometimes very specific about gender and always specific about age (there's usually an age range these TV executives aim a TV Show at). Im not disagreeing about any of that. I am disagreeing about whether a woman could be presenter on a TV show about cars aimed at middle aged men. Speaking as a member of said target audience Id rather have a woman who knew her stuff and was good at presenting than Matt le Blanc, who i find quite wooden. Especially if it was Suzi Perry. Sigh. I'm not saying a woman can't present a car show though. A man can present a topical discussion show - but not Loose Women, because he's not representative of who the executives are trying to aim for. A woman can present a motoring show - but not Top Gear, because she's not representative of the audience they are aiming for. A woman can absolutely present Fifth Gear though or any other motoring show that's not Top Gear or The Grand Tour. You could easily have had Suzi Perry present ITV' s Drive instead of Vernon Kay - it may have even been better for it, given that you'd have actually had someone who has experience in the motoring world rather than your typical ITV presenter.
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