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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 0:16:14 GMT
Hey everyone,
Welcome to my Monday thoughts. Hope they make sense  I can't help but wonder if Donna had stayed and never undergone the Meta Crisis, would the relationship? I think Donna, despite everything, would have always felt indebted to The Doctor and was essentinally running away from her problems and insecurities, instead of confronting them. Ten doesn't really seem to have that much of a handle on them, despite trying until the emergence of Ten #2, particularly with his own War damage and trauma and sense of self-worth and I could see both of them become dangerously co-dependent, restriciting their own growth, despite The Doctor having fun and being happy about going back to platonic companion relationships and the good old days. Yes, there's ever chance they could overcome that (and I could easily see Donna making friends with someone on the course of an adventure and grabbing them into the TARDIS), but there's an equal chance they could not, despite Donna pushing The Doctor to go back into the orbit of Jack, Martha and Sarah Jane and while I don't think we would have seen Ten going down the same Time Lord Victorious route after Donna's inevitable death, but I do see him becoming deattached from the universe at large and not wanting to confront his other friends expectations of him.
Ulitmatetly, in canon, Donna is shown to be happier and more fufilled in The End of Time, but still...I thought this might be intresting. I potentialy may also need more caffiene |
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Post by relativetime on Mar 20, 2017 1:48:02 GMT
If Donna had stayed for the specials, I think it might have helped make the Tenth Doctor a whole lot more enjoyable for me in those stories - especially if she'd stayed for the regeneration. Of course, there's always the possibility that they'd have a rotten time of it all, just as Ten did in the specials, but as I imagine it, Donna would be there to reign the Doctor in during The Waters of Mars and she'd have made The Next Doctor and The Planet of the Dead a whole lot more bearable.
As for The End of Time, I'd like to think that in this imaginary rewritten version, the Tenth Doctor regenerates heroically and with welcome arms. After all, he'd have Donna to lean on for support and to help him realize that he's still him, regardless of what face he wears - a point he apparently can't reach by himself if this episode is to be believed, but I digress...
Hard to imagine her staying around for the Eleventh Doctor, since he's already got two iconic companions for himself, so I'd say she'd be out by the end of Series 5, assuming she doesn't leave in The End of Time. Still, it is kind of exciting to think of another four-person TARDIS team and I think she'd get along really well with Amy. I can imagine her giving terrible relationship advice to Amy concerning Rory based on her own failed romances or sadly watching Amy lose her memories of Rory and trying to get her to remember even when the Doctor says there's no hope. The more I think about it, the more I really want a story where they all meet.
So, overall, everything would have been better if Donna had stayed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 4:57:50 GMT
I'm trying to think of a set of circumstances where she wouldn't have undergone the transformation and not died at the Crucible. The only one I can really come up with is what if the regeneration at the end of The Stolen Earth was genuine and he'd regenerated into the Eleventh Doctor. A little turned around by the regeneration, he stays aboard the TARDIS unconscious as Rose and Jack leave to confront the Daleks and when it goes down the chute, he wakes up just in time to dematerialise. The story goes as normal until he devises a means of halting the countdown for the reality bomb and wiping out the Daleks en masse. Day saved and away the two of them go off to new adventures across space and time.
Everything after that would have more or less progressed as writ, including The Waters of Mars with all the relevance it has to this new Doctor's penchant for meddling in other people's timestreams. Ah, but I know how the dilemma in The End of Time would have been solved. Donna would have sacrificed her own life for her grandfather by entering the radiation cubicle. That would have been the almost inevitable outcome of her adventures with the Doctor, saving the life of another. A fate chosen and one which would have detached this incarnation from Earth (with the funeral alone...) in a way that that would fit with his later attitude post-The Eleventh Hour.
If Donna had stayed and events more or less proceeded along their present course, then... she wouldn't have likely stayed for long.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Mar 20, 2017 11:52:28 GMT
I'm trying to think of a set of circumstances where she wouldn't have undergone the transformation and not died at the Crucible. The only one I can really come up with is what if the regeneration at the end of The Stolen Earth was genuine and he'd regenerated into the Eleventh Doctor. A little turned around by the regeneration, he stays aboard the TARDIS unconscious as Rose and Jack leave to confront the Daleks and when it goes down the chute, he wakes up just in time to dematerialise. The story goes as normal until he devises a means of halting the countdown for the reality bomb and wiping out the Daleks en masse. Day saved and away the two of them go off to new adventures across space and time. Everything after that would have more or less progressed as writ, including The Waters of Mars with all the relevance it has to this new Doctor's penchant for meddling in other people's timestreams. Ah, but I know how the dilemma in The End of Time would have been solved. Donna would have sacrificed her own life for her grandfather by entering the radiation cubicle. That would have been the almost inevitable outcome of her adventures with the Doctor, saving the life of another. A fate chosen and one which would have detached this incarnation from Earth (with the funeral alone...) in a way that that would fit with his later attitude post- The Eleventh Hour. If Donna had stayed and events more or less proceeded along their present course, then... she wouldn't have likely stayed for long. ^^THIS^^ |
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Mar 20, 2017 12:35:49 GMT
The specials do need a regular companion!
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Post by bobod on Mar 20, 2017 13:16:42 GMT
I would have written her out for the specials, exactly as she was. Then have her come back in End of Time but be cured and then get caught up his regeneration and stay with him... and then she'd spend the next season telling Matt's Doctor "The Doctor wouldn't have done it like that!".
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 20, 2017 14:42:44 GMT
If Donna had stayed it would have meant a more carefree Doctor in the Specials, less trying to avoid his fate and more just having fun in time and space.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Mar 21, 2017 12:54:40 GMT
If Donna had stayed it would have meant a more carefree Doctor in the Specials, less trying to avoid his fate and more just having fun in time and space. Means Donna would have also shown up in Day of the Doctor lol |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 21, 2017 12:59:59 GMT
If Donna had stayed it would have meant a more carefree Doctor in the Specials, less trying to avoid his fate and more just having fun in time and space. Means Donna would have also shown up in Day of the Doctor lol That would have been fun. The 11th Doctor wouldn't have been able to get a word in. |
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Post by fingersmash on Mar 22, 2017 17:04:03 GMT
The Specials would have been tolerable and the worst writing out of a companion wouldn't have happened. Sounds perfect to me.
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I can't help but wonder if Donna had stayed and never undergone the Meta Crisis, would the relationship? I think Donna, despite everything, would have always felt indebted to The Doctor and was essentinally running away from her problems and insecurities, instead of confronting them. Ten doesn't really seem to have that much of a handle on them, despite trying until the emergence of Ten #2, particularly with his own War damage and trauma and sense of self-worth and I could see both of them become dangerously co-dependent, restriciting their own growth, despite The Doctor having fun and being happy about going back to platonic companion relationships and the good old days. Yes, there's ever chance they could overcome that (and I could easily see Donna making friends with someone on the course of an adventure and grabbing them into the TARDIS), but there's an equal chance they could not, despite Donna pushing The Doctor to go back into the orbit of Jack, Martha and Sarah Jane and while I don't think we would have seen Ten going down the same Time Lord Victorious route after Donna's inevitable death, but I do see him becoming deattached from the universe at large and not wanting to confront his other friends expectations of him.
