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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 0:56:06 GMT
It's strange..... I thought McCoy's was terrible, but over time (and BF), it's kind of grown on me, cheesy 80s sounding though it is. It at least sounds more like the Who theme than Capaldi's does, to me. I feel the same way about McCoy's theme - it's probably because it is a little cheesy 80's that I like it. It's grown on me too, although it's interesting to look into the hypothetical and see what might've turned up in its stead. Like... They could have decided to go for something inspired by Tangerine Dream, John Carpenter or even Vangelis. I'm rather taken with the Carpenter one, it has that really nice, alien quality to it. No big brash orchestral score promising larger-than-life bluster to top Ben Hur, just something that sets up a sense of unearthly mystery and threat. Noticeably minimalist, but very effective. That said... Had the show continued, I reckon something like the Distant J theme would have been a pretty good candidate as chosen successor.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jun 30, 2017 23:39:24 GMT
If anyone wants to throw out costuming suggestions, by all means.
Me? I'd a 40s Private Eye look, with a trench coat and a slick fedora. Contrasts with the last two outfits very well.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 23:43:17 GMT
Depends on who gets the gig. What would suit Luke Treadway wouldn't suit Kris Marshall...
I love the scruffier hoody thing Capaldi's had in Series 9 and 10 though - it's great to just have The Doctor wearing "clothes" rather than a "costume".
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Post by mark687 on Jun 30, 2017 23:51:06 GMT
Combo of Citizen Smith meets Mr Smith the anti-establishment / conformist
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jul 1, 2017 3:39:46 GMT
I sit here as someone who thinks Murray Gold is really good at what he does and his work has very much given Doctor Who a musical identity but I also think that after 10 series and what....9 Christmas specials....it might be time to give someone else a shot. Like I said, I think Gold is great and I wish he would have a crack at doing some scoring work for certain Marvel Cinematic Universe movies.
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Post by elgranto on Jul 22, 2017 5:45:33 GMT
It'd be nice to not have a Dalek episode. I know for contractual reasons that the Daleks have to appear in some form, so maybe they could be relegated to a brief cameo like in Series 6.
On a related note, BBC Wales should seriously consider renegotiating their contract with the Terry Nation estate. I'd say the Daleks are due for a vacation.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Jul 22, 2017 6:13:06 GMT
It'd be nice to not have a Dalek episode. I know for contractual reasons that the Daleks have to appear in some form, so maybe they could be relegated to a brief cameo like in Series 6. On a related note, BBC Wales should seriously consider renegotiating their contract with the Terry Nation estate. I'd say the Daleks are due for a vacation. Doesn't Series 10 count as a series without a Dalek episode? Their appearance in "The Pilot" was really little more than a cameo. When Series 11 starts, it'll have been about two years without a proper Dalek story on TV, so I don't mind if they have another. Just not another "end of the world" Dalek finale, because the RTD era really wore me out on those.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2017 7:45:00 GMT
It'd be nice to not have a Dalek episode. I know for contractual reasons that the Daleks have to appear in some form, so maybe they could be relegated to a brief cameo like in Series 6. On a related note, BBC Wales should seriously consider renegotiating their contract with the Terry Nation estate. I'd say the Daleks are due for a vacation. Doesn't Series 10 count as a series without a Dalek episode? Their appearance in "The Pilot" was really little more than a cameo. When Series 11 starts, it'll have been about two years without a proper Dalek story on TV, so I don't mind if they have another. Just not another "end of the world" Dalek finale, because the RTD era really wore me out on those. They don't have to have a Dalek episode every year, but the belief is that they do have to feature the Daleks every year. There's no proof, but I think it makes sense from a contractual perspective and gives a real world explanation for that weird Dalek flashback on Waters of Mars.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jul 22, 2017 9:58:55 GMT
- Hayley Atwell should be the Doctor, with a new female companion from the far future. - The first episode of series 11 should feature a new monster, new TARDIS exterior and interior and the new Doctor choosing his new costume. Everything should be new. - There should be no reference to the new Doctor being female. - There should be a RTD-style of structure. 13 episodes again and three two parters including the finale. - Captain Jack should return in episode 11 and the two part finale. - The new companion should stay on beyond Series 11. - The Christmas Special should be 75-90 minutes long and directed by Peter Jackson. Swap out Hayley Atwell for Jodie Whittaker and my points pretty much remain the same. In hindsight I would probably swap out a new enemy for the Daleks though just to soldify that we are definitely watching the Doctor and not some imposter. It seemed to work with Power of the Daleks and the Second Doctor... I'd probably also add Captain Jack to episode one as a figure audiences are familiar with to ease the male-female Doctor transition.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2017 11:10:42 GMT
- Hayley Atwell should be the Doctor, with a new female companion from the far future. - The first episode of series 11 should feature a new monster, new TARDIS exterior and interior and the new Doctor choosing his new costume. Everything should be new. - There should be no reference to the new Doctor being female. - There should be a RTD-style of structure. 13 episodes again and three two parters including the finale. - Captain Jack should return in episode 11 and the two part finale. - The new companion should stay on beyond Series 11. - The Christmas Special should be 75-90 minutes long and directed by Peter Jackson. Swap out Hayley Atwell for Jodie Whittaker and my points pretty much remain the same. In hindsight I would probably swap out a new enemy for the Daleks though just to soldify that we are definitely watching the Doctor and not some imposter. It seemed to work with Power of the Daleks and the Second Doctor... I'd probably also add Captain Jack to episode one as a figure audiences are familiar with to ease the male-female Doctor transition. I think easing the transition would be a mistake. It would be taking the Capaldi debut approach, whereas the Smith debut approach was so much stronger.
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Post by sherlock on Jul 22, 2017 12:03:58 GMT
- Hayley Atwell should be the Doctor, with a new female companion from the far future. - The first episode of series 11 should feature a new monster, new TARDIS exterior and interior and the new Doctor choosing his new costume. Everything should be new. - There should be no reference to the new Doctor being female. - There should be a RTD-style of structure. 13 episodes again and three two parters including the finale. - Captain Jack should return in episode 11 and the two part finale. - The new companion should stay on beyond Series 11. - The Christmas Special should be 75-90 minutes long and directed by Peter Jackson. Swap out Hayley Atwell for Jodie Whittaker and my points pretty much remain the same. In hindsight I would probably swap out a new enemy for the Daleks though just to soldify that we are definitely watching the Doctor and not some imposter. It seemed to work with Power of the Daleks and the Second Doctor... I'd probably also add Captain Jack to episode one as a figure audiences are familiar with to ease the male-female Doctor transition. I disagree, first episode should really aim to divorce itself from the Moffat era and establish both the new Doctor and Chibnall. So the fewer continuity the better. It's the beginning of a new era, so really should avoid looking back on previous ones.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jul 22, 2017 14:19:37 GMT
Swap out Hayley Atwell for Jodie Whittaker and my points pretty much remain the same. In hindsight I would probably swap out a new enemy for the Daleks though just to soldify that we are definitely watching the Doctor and not some imposter. It seemed to work with Power of the Daleks and the Second Doctor... I'd probably also add Captain Jack to episode one as a figure audiences are familiar with to ease the male-female Doctor transition. I think easing the transition would be a mistake. It would be taking the Capaldi debut approach, whereas the Smith debut approach was so much stronger. A big change this time round though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2017 14:46:21 GMT
Swap out Hayley Atwell for Jodie Whittaker and my points pretty much remain the same. In hindsight I would probably swap out a new enemy for the Daleks though just to soldify that we are definitely watching the Doctor and not some imposter. It seemed to work with Power of the Daleks and the Second Doctor... I'd probably also add Captain Jack to episode one as a figure audiences are familiar with to ease the male-female Doctor transition. I disagree, first episode should really aim to divorce itself from the Moffat era and establish both the new Doctor and Chibnall. So the fewer continuity the better. It's the beginning of a new era, so really should avoid looking back on previous ones. Yes, as much as I don't like to admit it, Attack of the Cybermen has some very serious problems when it comes to establishing the Sixth Doctor on his own rather than as part of a retinue. I have a feeling that they overcompensated for how unusual he was by trying to shove in as much past history as they possibly could. Enough that there isn't much in that story that you can point to and say it belongs to Sixie's era. Remembrance of the Daleks would do it far better by having the references be easter eggs for observant fans rather than the main attraction (Less "Look, Susan!" and more Huh, why is this Jensen character tracking signals outside Coal Hill?). Moffat got it right with The Eleventh Hour, but somehow managed to get his wires crossed for Deep Breath. It was an odd exception, he made the mistake he managed to avoid with the Eleventh Doctor and -- I'm inclined to believe accidentally -- implied that the companion was only staying around because she was waiting for her Doctor to come back. The Pilot was what we originally needed, I think. A story that said: "Yes, we understand the show, but we're not afraid to move forward with our own ideas."
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Post by newt5996 on Jul 22, 2017 17:54:06 GMT
The biggest thing will be to establish Whittaker as the Doctor Who just happens to be female and not the female Doctor. I'd like to give the Daleks one story then a rest for a while, a new Master who is actually the Master and not whatever Steven Moffat thought Missy was, and please for the love of God for one series leave the politics out of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2017 18:52:23 GMT
The biggest thing will be to establish Whittaker as the Doctor Who just happens to be female and not the female Doctor. I'd like to give the Daleks one story then a rest for a while, a new Master who is actually the Master and not whatever Steven Moffat thought Missy was, and please for the love of God for one series leave the politics out of it. I think Doctor Who always needa to speak to something in the culture of the time that gives it a relevant meaningful voice. For the past 54 years it has included political and social commentary so I'm not sure why it should stop now.
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Post by newt5996 on Jul 25, 2017 21:37:45 GMT
The biggest thing will be to establish Whittaker as the Doctor Who just happens to be female and not the female Doctor. I'd like to give the Daleks one story then a rest for a while, a new Master who is actually the Master and not whatever Steven Moffat thought Missy was, and please for the love of God for one series leave the politics out of it. I think Doctor Who always needa to speak to something in the culture of the time that gives it a relevant meaningful voice. For the past 54 years it has included political and social commentary so I'm not sure why it should stop now. Yeah but it's just been so blatant and in your face of liberal = good, conservative = bad, in a time that should really be more nuanced. I've also noticed it being sloppily written in. Also can we get some more original monsters that play off our fears?
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Post by mrperson on Jul 26, 2017 1:09:02 GMT
T he biggest thing will be to establish Whittaker as the Doctor Who just happens to be female and not the female Doctor. I'd like to give the Daleks one story then a rest for a while, a new Master who is actually the Master and not whatever Steven Moffat thought Missy was, and please for the love of God for one series leave the politics out of it. Bolded: then they definitely have their work cut out for them, since Chinball said 13 was always going to be female and Moffat seems to confirm: www.cultbox.co.uk/news/doctor-who-steven-moffat-has-known-all-year-that-the-new-doctor-would-be-female
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 1:24:02 GMT
I think Doctor Who always needa to speak to something in the culture of the time that gives it a relevant meaningful voice. For the past 54 years it has included political and social commentary so I'm not sure why it should stop now. Yeah but it's just been so blatant and in your face of liberal = good, conservative = bad, in a time that should really be more nuanced. I've also noticed it being sloppily written in. Also can we get some more original monsters that play off our fears? Shame really, it used to be very good at that. Invasion of the Dinosaurs with something primarily for the children (reptiles from the dawn of time!) and something primarily for the adults (nuanced political commentary about how nobody can "return" to an era of prosperity that never really existed). That was something that keeps bringing me back to Frontier in Space actually, everyone from the freighter pilots to the President to the dissidents to the Draconian royal family are acting in a very reasonable way and are willing to bend a little to accommodate everyone's differing viewpoints. Bob Holmes was even able to get some commentary in with The Two Doctors to that effect, the "greed is good" credo exemplified by Shockeye and his belief that "the gratification of pleasure is the sole motive of action." That's not even mentioning things like Battlefield's cry for nuclear disarmament (just two months away from the Berlin Wall coming down), it can be done and done very well. But not I think in just forty-five minutes.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jul 26, 2017 11:04:42 GMT
Yeah but it's just been so blatant and in your face of liberal = good, conservative = bad, in a time that should really be more nuanced. I've also noticed it being sloppily written in. Also can we get some more original monsters that play off our fears? Shame really, it used to be very good at that. Invasion of the Dinosaurs with something primarily for the children (reptiles from the dawn of time!) and something primarily for the adults (nuanced political commentary about how nobody can "return" to an era of prosperity that never really existed). That was something that keeps bringing me back to Frontier in Space actually, everyone from the freighter pilots to the President to the dissidents to the Draconian royal family are acting in a very reasonable way and are willing to bend a little to accommodate everyone's differing viewpoints. Bob Holmes was even able to get some commentary in with The Two Doctors to that effect, the "greed is good" credo exemplified by Shockeye and his belief that "the gratification of pleasure is the sole motive of action." That's not even mentioning things like Battlefield's cry for nuclear disarmament (just two months away from the Berlin Wall coming down), it can be done and done very well. But not I think in just forty-five minutes. True. But in a two-parter it can be easier
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 11:15:43 GMT
Shame really, it used to be very good at that. Invasion of the Dinosaurs with something primarily for the children (reptiles from the dawn of time!) and something primarily for the adults (nuanced political commentary about how nobody can "return" to an era of prosperity that never really existed). That was something that keeps bringing me back to Frontier in Space actually, everyone from the freighter pilots to the President to the dissidents to the Draconian royal family are acting in a very reasonable way and are willing to bend a little to accommodate everyone's differing viewpoints. Bob Holmes was even able to get some commentary in with The Two Doctors to that effect, the "greed is good" credo exemplified by Shockeye and his belief that "the gratification of pleasure is the sole motive of action." That's not even mentioning things like Battlefield's cry for nuclear disarmament (just two months away from the Berlin Wall coming down), it can be done and done very well. But not I think in just forty-five minutes. True. But in a two-parter it can be easier That's a good point and very true. I think that's what really frustrated me about The Zygon Invasion/Inversion. A lot can be done in ninety minutes as stories like The Aztecs and Battlefield prove, but... We don't get that, which is a shame because it's a topic really worth sitting down and talking about from all sides. I would have really enjoyed seeing someone like Phil Ford try to tackle the same subject matter and with a bit more subtlety than we see in the final story.
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