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Post by nucleusofswarm on Mar 22, 2017 20:12:07 GMT
So lots of talk about Series 10 and Capaldi's replacement, but let's actually talk about where the show should go when the new person arrives, and what Chibnall could do.
And for the sake of interesting discussion, no cheap shots at Moffat and keep indulgent fanjodrell to a minimum. This is not the place to pitch your dream Kandyman revival or Nimon-Zarbi team up.
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Post by theotherjosh on Mar 22, 2017 20:35:25 GMT
Oooh, this is a good question.
I was never sure how intentional it was, but it seems like a new Doctor starts with a story suited for his predecessor. To a large extent, I think this is just incidental. The script for Robot, which is very much a Pertwee story was probably written well before they knew what to expect from Tom Baker.
So what I’d like to see would be Doctor #13 in a story written for Capaldi, but dealing with it in a distinctly un-Capaldi fashion so as to highlight the character of the new Doctor and contrast his differences with the old. I think that’s going to be difficult though, because I never got a clear sense of who Capaldi’s Doctor was. His characterization seemed all over the place. Maybe it will firm up during his final series.
I certainly don’t want a repeat of Capaldi’s debut, where a mouthpiece of the author (Shame on you, Madame Vastra!) tells me that this new guy is the Doctor and I’d better get on in accepting him in the role.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 20:36:13 GMT
So lots of talk about Series 10 and Capaldi's replacement, but let's actually talk about where the show should go when the new person arrives, and what Chibnall could do. And for the sake of interesting discussion, no cheap shots at Moffat and keep indulgent fanjodrell to a minimum. This is not the place to pitch your dream Kandyman revival or Nimon-Zarbi team up. But they would be my perfect season opener - in fact there's no reason why 13 couldnt be a non-human. That would mix things up a bit. After all, if they're a Nimon then they could also ne female and we'd never know
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Post by fingersmash on Mar 22, 2017 20:41:19 GMT
A good Nimon story would be pretty neat though. Of course we're getting a Dalek story. Same with a Cyberman story. I'd like to finally see a Pure Historical although there's a chance Rona Munroe's story this year is one because I've only seen that it's set in the Roman Empire and it's "very Scottish" whatever that means.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 21:47:49 GMT
A good Nimon story would be pretty neat though. Of course we're getting a Dalek story. Same with a Cyberman story. I'd like to finally see a Pure Historical although there's a chance Rona Munroe's story this year is one because I've only seen that it's set in the Roman Empire and it's "very Scottish" whatever that means. As long as it's not the Ninth Spanish Legion story for the millionth time. In the past decade alone we've had three films about it - The Last Legion, Centurion and The Eagle. Well trodden ground indeed. To answer the topic at hand...for the season opener...obviously it depends on what the new Doctor is like but just spitballing, something relatively (by Who standards) low key. Rose and The Eleventh Hour were great jumping on points with fun, simple stories with a whole new cast and creative team and (if Bill does leave) the same could be true of the 13th Doctor's first outing. So I'd probably treat it like a soft-reboot with not too much lore and continuity creeping in. A recurring menace would be fine but probably not something like The Daleks that would steal a bit of the new Doc's limelight. Just something with a bit of threat but nothing too epic for an opener. For the rest of the series: Well, I'm happy with the way Chibnall has run Broadchurch to be long form storytelling so I wouldn't mind him applying that and continuing with season long (era long?) arcs. I'd like the series to be an unbroken run of 12 or 13 eps again, as we've had for S8-10 as I thought Matt's era was hampered by series starting an then ending in a month before the second half months and months later. Not great for momentum. Daleks? Sure, good PR and always fun to see if there's something new to them. Would love new Sea Devils as a returning classic creature.
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Post by mrperson on Mar 22, 2017 21:54:47 GMT
I think the main thing should be getting back to individual adventures. Just drop the season arcs and season themes.
I hope that they start trying out some proper historicals once in a while, like BF.
I would like them to start having episodes where there point isn't "oh no, a scary monster!" or even deliberate evil. Episodes along the lines of Inferno. Some people with good movies, even if they're jerks, screwing things up and making a mess......but not intentionally creating that mess for evil purposes.
Back off of catch phrases and gimmicks. I'd especially like it if they threw away sonic anythings for a while.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 22, 2017 22:20:36 GMT
- Hayley Atwell should be the Doctor, with a new female companion from the far future.
- The first episode of series 11 should feature a new monster, new TARDIS exterior and interior and the new Doctor choosing his new costume. Everything should be new.
- There should be no reference to the new Doctor being female.
- There should be a RTD-style of structure. 13 episodes again and three two parters including the finale.
- Captain Jack should return in episode 11 and the two part finale.
- The new companion should stay on beyond Series 11.
- The Christmas Special should be 75-90 minutes long and directed by Peter Jackson.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 22, 2017 22:22:17 GMT
I hope that they start trying out some proper historicals once in a while, like BF. No chance of that. It wouldn't work in the new series.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Mar 23, 2017 7:50:19 GMT
I hope that they start trying out some proper historicals once in a while, like BF. No chance of that. It wouldn't work in the new series. Cause the younger generation doesn't know life existed before cellphones and the internet.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Mar 23, 2017 7:59:52 GMT
- Hayley Atwell should be the Doctor, with a new female companion from the far future. - The first episode of series 11 should feature a new monster, new TARDIS exterior and interior and the new Doctor choosing his new costume. Everything should be new. - There should be no reference to the new Doctor being female. - There should be a RTD-style of structure. 13 episodes again and three two parters including the finale. - Captain Jack should return in episode 11 and the two part finale. - The new companion should stay on beyond Series 11. - The Christmas Special should be 75-90 minutes long and directed by Peter Jackson. - No - No(you don't change the Tardis exterior) - No(see answer 1) - No(thought you wanted everything new, besides it's been done) - No just no - What if you hate the new companion? - YES YES YES
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Mar 23, 2017 8:00:17 GMT
I'd like a proper Christie-esque murder mystery - the Doctor calling themselves either Jane Marple or Hercule Poirot depending on obvious reasons - set in a grand old house, make it a house built on a murderous sentient spaceship if you need some aliens.
There'll be a Dalek story. Obviously. I'd love it to include Vaarga plants - maybe the companion (or Doctor) gets infected driving the arc plot - the quest to cure rather then simply delay the Vaarga infection.
The Master will probably turn up.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 23, 2017 8:42:23 GMT
- Hayley Atwell should be the Doctor, with a new female companion from the far future. - The first episode of series 11 should feature a new monster, new TARDIS exterior and interior and the new Doctor choosing his new costume. Everything should be new. - There should be no reference to the new Doctor being female. - There should be a RTD-style of structure. 13 episodes again and three two parters including the finale. - Captain Jack should return in episode 11 and the two part finale. - The new companion should stay on beyond Series 11. - The Christmas Special should be 75-90 minutes long and directed by Peter Jackson. - No(you don't change the Tardis exterior) Actually, the TARDIS exterior does often change between Doctors, albeit subtly. The current TARDIS exterior is different to the RTD one. - No(see answer 1) - No(thought you wanted everything new, besides it's been done) - No just no - What if you hate the new companion? - YES YES YES [/quote]
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 23, 2017 8:45:30 GMT
No chance of that. It wouldn't work in the new series. Cause the younger generation doesn't know life existed before cellphones and the internet. It's not that, just that the pace would be too slow to keep a modern audience's attention span. That's why you always have a monster in historical settings now.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Mar 23, 2017 8:49:21 GMT
Cause the younger generation doesn't know life existed before cellphones and the internet. It's not that, just that the pace would be too slow to keep a modern audience's attention span. That's why you always have a monster in historical settings now. Horse hockey. take the flipping wasp monster out of the Wasp and the Unicorn and you STILL have a fast paced murder mystery. take the invisible psychosis monster out of Vincent and the Doctor and you still have a moving story about one tormented man.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 8:52:26 GMT
I certainly don’t want a repeat of Capaldi’s debut, where a mouthpiece of the author (Shame on you, Madame Vastra!) tells me that this new guy is the Doctor and I’d better get on in accepting him in the role. I rather like the idea of turning the circumstances of his regeneration into a mystery for the new Doctor. Start us off with the newly regenerated Thirteenth Doctor without explanation and slowly over the course of their debut, peel back each new layer with a series of clues and flashbacks until we see the pattern unfurl and the two points converge. Maybe even make it that the Doctor has jumped a time track and each are now responsible for maintaining the continuity of the other's death/birth.
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Post by CookieMaster on Mar 23, 2017 9:04:02 GMT
I just hope the first series is something original, i don't particularly want to see everyone from the last 10 series turning up just yet. Just give me a new Doctor, new companion, new console room and send them off to brand new places for the first year, there will be plenty of time for Pigbin Josh to turn up in later series.
Oh and i also hope it's a brighter and more hopeful era of Doctor Who, it doesn't always have to be so dark and over-dramatic
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 23, 2017 9:09:25 GMT
It's not that, just that the pace would be too slow to keep a modern audience's attention span. That's why you always have a monster in historical settings now. Horse hockey. take the flipping wasp monster out of the Wasp and the Unicorn and you STILL have a fast paced murder mystery. take the invisible psychosis monster out of Vincent and the Doctor and you still have a moving story about one tormented man. But kids would moan 'Where's the monster?' Personally, although not a kid I'd prefer a monster each time too.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 23, 2017 9:11:08 GMT
, i don't particularly want to see everyone from the last 10 series turning up just yet. Except Captain Jack, right?
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Mar 23, 2017 9:13:13 GMT
Horse hockey. take the flipping wasp monster out of the Wasp and the Unicorn and you STILL have a fast paced murder mystery. take the invisible psychosis monster out of Vincent and the Doctor and you still have a moving story about one tormented man. But kids would moan 'Where's the monster?' Personally, although not a kid I'd prefer a monster each time too. I disagree.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Mar 23, 2017 9:39:12 GMT
Back to basics.
Straight storytelling with no contrived story arc!
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