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Post by sailorhaumea on Apr 9, 2017 5:16:10 GMT
Something that's been confusing me...
The New Adventures depict a regenerated Monk who last met the Doctor in The Daleks' Master Plan.
However, the DWM comics 4-Dimensional Vistas and Follow That TARDIS! depict the Butterworth Monk, after Master Plan, and his TARDIS is destroyed at the end of the second comic. So...how does this work?
The next thing...
Is the Rufus Hound Monk before or after Graeme Garden? I keep seeing contradictory opinions on this.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 5:56:56 GMT
Ah, now this is an interesting one. If you go back and rewatch The Daleks' Master Plan, the Monk isn't actually stranded. It's just his dimensional control unit has been stolen. He's free to wander the universe, but his wanderings will be just as stochastic as the Doctor's own. Eventually, Mortimus must have ended up in the company of Autek and his Ice Warriors, leading to its repair and his TARDIS being "so perfectly annihilated [it] vanishes into another dimension."
Follow That TARDIS is a great deal trickier because it attempts to explain away the Tunguska explosion (Birthright), the sinking of the Titanic (The Left-Handed Hummingbird) and the disappearance of Flight 19 (Skyjacks), alongside stranding the Monk without his TARDIS. Putting all of that aside, perhaps the Doctor left him on a completely different ice world waiting for his imploded TARDIS -- which had in reality just slipped dimensions again -- to reappear. Once it did, he learned that its systems were burnt out and the Doctor had stranded him there permanently. Maybe by accident, but more than likely on purpose, given the Seventh Doctor's increasingly less than forgiving nature.
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Post by Whovitt on Apr 9, 2017 5:58:19 GMT
I can't speak for the New Adventures books, as I've only read one and half of them, nor the comics as I've read none of them, but the distinguishing between whether the Rufus Hound Monk is before or after the Graeme Garden Monk has been deliberately left ambiguous by Doom Coalition 4 - The Side of the Angels. For some reason Big Finish seem determined not to give us any clue as to which is the case, which explains why you've seen contradictory opinions on it  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 6:15:02 GMT
I can't speak for the New Adventures books, as I've only read one and half of them, nor the comics as I've read none of them, but the distinguishing between whether the Rufus Hound Monk is before or after the Graeme Garden Monk has been deliberately left ambiguous by Doom Coalition 4 - The Side of the Angels. For some reason Big Finish seem determined not to give us any clue as to which is the case, which explains why you've seen contradictory opinions on it His background from No Future might help a little bit with clearing that up. Long ago, he was an agent provocateur for the High Council, but there was some controversial affair that eventually saw him politically inconvenient. He was betrayed, disavowed and escaped to the life of hedonism we'd see in The Time Meddler. Given such a bad history with Gallifreyan politics, I reckon he'd have only agreed to entangle himself with Ollistra and the Enclave if he had nowhere else to go or if he'd started to attract too much attention. I reckon messing about with the Doctor's own timestream probably made him a sizeable target for those who wanted to broadly maintain the Web of Time. Maybe he was interested in Brownie points as much as surviving the end of the universe? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 7:18:37 GMT
Something that's been confusing me... The New Adventures depict a regenerated Monk who last met the Doctor in The Daleks' Master Plan. However, the DWM comics 4-Dimensional Vistas and Follow That TARDIS! depict the Butterworth Monk, after Master Plan, and his TARDIS is destroyed at the end of the second comic. So...how does this work? The next thing... Is the Rufus Hound Monk before or after Graeme Garden? I keep seeing contradictory opinions on this. Firstly, the Monk lies, so we can't believe anything he says. The comic adventures could well take place before the New Adventures. As to the sequence of Garden/Hound, Big Finish seem to be deliberately keeping it unclear. The tinkers. |
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Post by mbt66 on Apr 9, 2017 12:45:14 GMT
As to the sequence of Garden/Hound, Big Finish seem to be deliberately keeping it unclear. The tinkers. I like to think it's because they already have future plans for The Monk |
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Post by sailorhaumea on Apr 11, 2017 3:22:50 GMT
Ah, now this is an interesting one. If you go back and rewatch The Daleks' Master Plan, the Monk isn't actually stranded. It's just his dimensional control unit has been stolen. He's free to wander the universe, but his wanderings will be just as stochastic as the Doctor's own. Eventually, Mortimus must have ended up in the company of Autek and his Ice Warriors, leading to its repair and his TARDIS being "so perfectly annihilated [it] vanishes into another dimension." Follow That TARDIS is a great deal trickier because it attempts to explain away the Tunguska explosion ( Birthright), the sinking of the Titanic ( The Left-Handed Hummingbird) and the disappearance of Flight 19 ( Skyjacks), alongside stranding the Monk without his TARDIS. Putting all of that aside, perhaps the Doctor left him on a completely different ice world waiting for his imploded TARDIS -- which had in reality just slipped dimensions again -- to reappear. Once it did, he learned that its systems were burnt out and the Doctor had stranded him there permanently. Maybe by accident, but more than likely on purpose, given the Seventh Doctor's increasingly less than forgiving nature. It seems rather obvious, though, that in No Future he's seeking revenge for Master Plan. Maybe the DWM comics feature an incarnation of the Monk who just looks identical to the first one? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 5:37:16 GMT
Ah, now this is an interesting one. If you go back and rewatch The Daleks' Master Plan, the Monk isn't actually stranded. It's just his dimensional control unit has been stolen. He's free to wander the universe, but his wanderings will be just as stochastic as the Doctor's own. Eventually, Mortimus must have ended up in the company of Autek and his Ice Warriors, leading to its repair and his TARDIS being "so perfectly annihilated [it] vanishes into another dimension." Follow That TARDIS is a great deal trickier because it attempts to explain away the Tunguska explosion ( Birthright), the sinking of the Titanic ( The Left-Handed Hummingbird) and the disappearance of Flight 19 ( Skyjacks), alongside stranding the Monk without his TARDIS. Putting all of that aside, perhaps the Doctor left him on a completely different ice world waiting for his imploded TARDIS -- which had in reality just slipped dimensions again -- to reappear. Once it did, he learned that its systems were burnt out and the Doctor had stranded him there permanently. Maybe by accident, but more than likely on purpose, given the Seventh Doctor's increasingly less than forgiving nature. It seems rather obvious, though, that in No Future he's seeking revenge for Master Plan. Maybe the DWM comics feature an incarnation of the Monk who just looks identical to the first one? Revisiting an old favourite, so to speak. Works for me. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 6:00:21 GMT
It seems rather obvious, though, that in No Future he's seeking revenge for Master Plan. Maybe the DWM comics feature an incarnation of the Monk who just looks identical to the first one? Revisiting an old favourite, so to speak. Works for me. Revisiting an old favourite... Maybe that was Artemis's punishment at the end of No Future. That incarnation was forced to unregenerate back to his former self. |
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