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Post by elkawho on Apr 14, 2017 3:53:50 GMT
A few times a year BBC America runs a Doctor Who marathon, especially during the run-up to a series premier. They show every episode from Series 2 to whatever is the latest series. They never show Series 1, and I've been wondering why for a while. Are they trying to forget that Chris Eccleston was ever in the show? Do they not want to pay him residuals? Any idea why this might be?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 4:14:47 GMT
No idea but Eccleston's series was shafted from day one in the US when Sci-Fi (now SyFy) passed on the series then did a volte-face when it did well elsewhere, so they picked it up eventually - in 2006. So the US got Series 1 broadcast a full year after the rest of the world. I often think of that when I see fans moaning about being a few hours behind these days.  Probably nothing to do with your question but I do wonder if the way the Eccleston series was treated meant his incarnation never became quite as well known as he could in the US, and that coupled with the eventual mass popularity of Tennant means BBC-A think that they may as well start the marathon with the most popular Doctor rather than the (relatively) more obscure one in the same way local PBS affiliated in the States would show Tom Baker's era on loop often and ignore what went before and what came after. |
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Post by omega on Apr 14, 2017 4:15:02 GMT
It could be that David Tennant has bigger name recognition, being in Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire and Jessica Jones on Netflix. Or it could be a convenient way to say they're running a marathon and let them finish it sooner to move on to other content. Either way they're missing out on some fantastic episodes (pun unintended).
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Post by omega on Apr 14, 2017 4:16:35 GMT
No idea but Eccleston's series was shafted from day one in the US when Sci-Fi (now SyFy) passed on the series then did a volte-face when it did well elsewhere, so they picked it up eventually - in 2006. So the US got Series 1 broadcast a full year after the rest of the world. I often think of that when I see fans moaning about being a few hours behind these days. Probably nothing to do with your question but I do wonder if the way the Eccleston series was treated meant his incarnation never became quite as well known as he could in the US, and that coupled with the eventual mass popularity of Tennant means BBC-A think that they may as well start the marathon with the most popular Doctor rather than the (relatively) more obscure one in the same way local PBS affiliated in the States would show Tom Baker's era on loop often and ignore what went before and what came after. Anecdotes I've heard from American viewers do say they first saw early Tom Baker episodes on PBS. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 4:22:25 GMT
A few times a year BBC America runs a Doctor Who marathon, especially during the run-up to a series premier. They show every episode from Series 2 to whatever is the latest series. They never show Series 1, and I've been wondering why for a while. Are they trying to forget that Chris Eccleston was ever in the show? Do they not want to pay him residuals? Any idea why this might be? Maybe for the same reason that Cathy Gale (awesome though Honour Blackman is) never turns up in US reruns of The Avengers, it's more convenient and it's a less popular era nowadays. It might cost more to syndicate his series than just start off from Tennant and work their way up through to now. They do that a lot with television shows in the States I've noticed (the legendary saga of Strike Back is notable for that). Here in Australia, we tend to avoid that problem because our broadcasting practices are much closer to the BBC's own. Barring a nasty practice that one of the commercial channels has of cutting up Poirot and Mrs Marple stories into three and four-parters to fit the 40-min timeslot with more time devoted to advertisements than the actual mystery. Yeugh... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 4:27:19 GMT
Probably nothing to do with your question but I do wonder if the way the Eccleston series was treated meant his incarnation never became quite as well known as he could in the US, and that coupled with the eventual mass popularity of Tennant means BBC-A think that they may as well start the marathon with the most popular Doctor rather than the (relatively) more obscure one in the same way local PBS affiliated in the States would show Tom Baker's era on loop often and ignore what went before and what came after. Oh, I've always been grumpy about stuff like that. It's the reason why there's only one season of UFO, Thunderbirds, Stingray, Captain Scarlet, Farscape and a variety of other shows that just didn't sell well enough in the States, so they each vanished into the aether before their time. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 4:41:32 GMT
Here in Australia, we tend to avoid that problem because our broadcasting practices are much closer to the BBC's own. Barring a nasty practice that one of the commercial channels has of cutting up Poirot and Mrs Marple stories into three and four-parters to fit the 40-min timeslot with more time devoted to advertisements than the actual mystery. Yeugh... Consider our Canadian friends - the CBC chopped no less than twenty minutes from Journey's End to get it into their timeslot. Sci-Fi did the same in the US with Eccleston and Tennant's Who though more often by 2 or 3 minutes an ep - and BBC America have in the past sped up transmissions to squeeze them in rather than cut them. Basically, if you're in North America - you need the DVDs or blurays to make sure you've seen the actual broadcast eps uncut and not altered. |
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Post by Hieronymus on Apr 14, 2017 5:29:59 GMT
Basically, if you're in North America - you need the DVDs or blurays to make sure you've seen the actual broadcast eps uncut and not altered. Even that's no guarantee, especially with Classic Who. For Remembrance of the Daleks, they had to redo all the music because of licensing. And The Chase had the early scene with the Beatles on the Time-Space Visualiser cut out entirely, probably for licensing reasons as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 5:32:48 GMT
I think Enlightenment lost a special feature in region 1 as well, but I was thinking new series only |
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Post by omega on Apr 14, 2017 5:55:31 GMT
New editions of The Two Doctors no longer have the A Fix with Sontarans feature due to the major guest star. Planet of Fire R1 doesn't include the making of documentary The Flames of Sarn because the background music wasn't copyright clearable in the US.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 5:57:51 GMT
Here in Australia, we tend to avoid that problem because our broadcasting practices are much closer to the BBC's own. Barring a nasty practice that one of the commercial channels has of cutting up Poirot and Mrs Marple stories into three and four-parters to fit the 40-min timeslot with more time devoted to advertisements than the actual mystery. Yeugh... Consider our Canadian friends - the CBC chopped no less than twenty minutes from Journey's End to get it into their timeslot. Sci-Fi did the same in the US with Eccleston and Tennant's Who though more often by 2 or 3 minutes an ep - and BBC America have in the past sped up transmissions to squeeze them in rather than cut them. Basically, if you're in North America - you need the DVDs or blurays to make sure you've seen the actual broadcast eps uncut and not altered. Yeouch, the poor devils and to think that way back in 2003, we got two episodes of unaltered classic Who back-to-back at 6:00 in the evening. Nothing really changed until Colin Baker's era where they split them all up into twenty-minute episodes and The Five Doctors which ended up being five parts. That was fun though too, The Five Doctors got "So, sorry. Must dash," with the Doctor transmatting away as the cliffhanger and Vengeance on Varos's "Part One" ends with "Ah, who's this coming to welcome us?" There was also a very weird addition with NuWho, an opening monologue with Amy Pond narrating the show's premise for Matt Smith's episodes. Basically, if you're in North America - you need the DVDs or blurays to make sure you've seen the actual broadcast eps uncut and not altered. Even that's no guarantee, especially with Classic Who. For Remembrance of the Daleks, they had to redo all the music because of licensing. And The Chase had the early scene with the Beatles on the Time-Space Visualiser cut out entirely, probably for licensing reasons as well. I think I've got both Region 2 copies of Remembrance of the Daleks, one with the replacement soundtrack released back when the DVDs were just coming out and the other with the original in the Davros Boxset. |
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Post by omega on Apr 14, 2017 6:08:00 GMT
There was also a very weird addition with NuWho, an opening monologue with Amy Pond narrating the show's premise for Matt Smith's episodes. Was that included for the American market, as part of the push to those viewers? I know it appeared in Australia and New Zealand. The only premise explaining opening monologues I like are the ones on Legends of Tomorrow, which are actually creative (Mick Rory should do more of those, I like the ones he does) and not regurgitating the premise of the show for the tenth or twentieth time. |
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Post by omega on Apr 14, 2017 6:09:16 GMT
Back to Classic Who, R4 versions after 2010 at least don't include the trailer for the next DVD release.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 6:23:33 GMT
There was also a very weird addition with NuWho, an opening monologue with Amy Pond narrating the show's premise for Matt Smith's episodes. Was that included for the American market, as part of the push to those viewers? I know it appeared in Australia and New Zealand. The only premise explaining opening monologues I like are the ones on Legends of Tomorrow, which are actually creative (Mick Rory should do more of those, I like the ones he does) and not regurgitating the premise of the show for the tenth or twentieth time. Yep, I think so. Australia, Canada, America and Israel all got this opening. Can't say I was particularly a fan of it when it broadcast, I thought it gave the wrong impression of the show; i.e. that Amy Pond was the star and the Doctor was a literal figment of her imagination. I remember chatting about it with others at the time who thought that it was trying to change into a different show with Doctor Who as an artefact title. No one was a particular fan of it at the time and it pretty much vanished come Series 7 for obvious reasons. I think it's become the Delaware theme of NuWho. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 6:28:29 GMT
Canada had some cool intros and continuity ads for Who back in 2005 presented by Chris Eccleston himself - a real treat looking back given his limited relationship ever since. So while the eps may have been edited, they got these cool pieces. Here's one. www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gFkHFr3N-4 |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 6:40:30 GMT
I've been looking online to find an answer to Elka's question with no joy. I've found numerous reddits on it and no-one has an answer. I might ask BBC-A just to satisfy curiosity.
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Post by coffeeaddict on Apr 14, 2017 10:20:41 GMT
Here in Australia, we tend to avoid that problem because our broadcasting practices are much closer to the BBC's own. Barring a nasty practice that one of the commercial channels has of cutting up Poirot and Mrs Marple stories into three and four-parters to fit the 40-min timeslot with more time devoted to advertisements than the actual mystery. Yeugh... Consider our Canadian friends - the CBC chopped no less than twenty minutes from Journey's End to get it into their timeslot. Sci-Fi did the same in the US with Eccleston and Tennant's Who though more often by 2 or 3 minutes an ep - and BBC America have in the past sped up transmissions to squeeze them in rather than cut them. Basically, if you're in North America - you need the DVDs or blurays to make sure you've seen the actual broadcast eps uncut and not altered. And the CBC was actually funding the show and had a production credit early on. Eccleston and Billie Piper recorded special episode intros and outros for the Canadian showings. It was actually very well advertised at the time. When Space does their marathons I'm pretty sure they air the first series - though I don't have cable so I can't say for sure. |
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Post by aemiliapaula on Apr 15, 2017 8:20:19 GMT
The first time I saw series 1 was when SyFy showed it as a marathon in one day in 2008. It's not on very often and since DW is not on Netflix anymore I bought the DVD.
A student at the school where I work started a Doctor Who club and they've been watching 9th doctor this year, since most kids had never seen it before.
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Post by kimalysong on Apr 15, 2017 11:40:09 GMT
Season 1 is on Amazon Prime. I downloaded a few favorite episodes to watch before The 9th Doctor Chronicles come out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 13:45:32 GMT
Series 1 was the only season of Doctor Who to be broadcast on Irish TV; it was shown on TV3 - with adverts - around 7pm on Saturday nights in 2007 with late night midweek repeats, I assume it didn't get too many viewers as Doctor Who has not been seen on any of our channels since. (We used to get random Doctor Who classic-era repeats on TG4, but the last of those was around 2000.) As most of Ireland can view BBC1 it's not a problem though.
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