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Post by nucleusofswarm on Apr 14, 2017 21:39:39 GMT
It's something we often tell the young, but does it often feel like we Disney-fy it too much and leave out a lot of the pain and grind that comes with getting anything you really want in life? Indeed, are there times when it's better to honest with someone about their prospects?
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Post by mrperson on Apr 14, 2017 23:23:18 GMT
Yes, it is "too idealized," but generally in one sense: they don't tell you that most of these dreams, well, you need to chase them 16-20h/day and sacrifice just about every other thing to achieve them.
Others are lucky. But, generally speaking, they're dreams for a reason; they don't just happen to you.
That's why we have things like Doctor Who - synethetic opiates for the sane...
(Sorry if this sounds a little down and bitter, but there you have it).
But then, Who tends to contain the most important message: strive to be the best, do the right thing, and at least ...if you do that.... you don't have to blame yourself. You'll be wrong, sometimes massively wrong. But you're doing the best you can in a cold reality where atoms and energy - the stuff of stuff - don't have the capacity to care about their movements.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 1:11:27 GMT
Harsh though it may seem, I think dear immortal Sir Terry said it best:
I think what we fail to teach children is that failure isn't the end. Oh, no, what does matter is whether or not you pick yourself up again afterward. It's why I like Doctor Who stories where the main characters do fail because you cannot win all the time or even in some cases every time. But at the end of the tale, they are still nevertheless alive and continuing on. Guided by the hope that next time, having learned from their mistakes, it can be better.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Apr 15, 2017 1:59:21 GMT
Harsh though it may seem, I think dear immortal Sir Terry said it best: I think what we fail to teach children is that failure isn't the end. Oh, no, what does matter is whether or not you pick yourself up again afterward. It's why I like Doctor Who stories where the main characters do fail because you cannot win all the time or even in some cases every time. But at the end of the tale, they are still nevertheless alive and continuing on. Guided by the hope that next time, having learned from their mistakes, it can be better. What the Pratchett quote doesn't tell you is that the second part is actually chasing your dream while the first bit is what people who don't want to put any effort into it think it is. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 2:43:08 GMT
Harsh though it may seem, I think dear immortal Sir Terry said it best: I think what we fail to teach children is that failure isn't the end. Oh, no, what does matter is whether or not you pick yourself up again afterward. It's why I like Doctor Who stories where the main characters do fail because you cannot win all the time or even in some cases every time. But at the end of the tale, they are still nevertheless alive and continuing on. Guided by the hope that next time, having learned from their mistakes, it can be better. What the Pratchett quote doesn't tell you is that the second part is actually chasing your dream while the first bit is what people who don't want to put any effort into it think it is. Yeah, the ideal vs. the reality, and the latter is deceptively obvious when you look at the phrase itself "chasing your dream." The pursuit of anything takes a great deal of time, effort, resources and persistence. |
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Post by Timelord007 on Apr 15, 2017 7:41:28 GMT
I'm still chasing the dream that one day I'll be open to love & able to relax more in social circles although I highly doubt it.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Apr 15, 2017 8:23:27 GMT
I'm still chasing the dream that one day I'll be open to love & able to relax more in social circles although I highly doubt it. Don't stop believing, as the song goes. That's a better goal than most. |
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Apr 16, 2017 8:00:38 GMT
Yes.
Now shut up and consume
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Post by Ela on Apr 16, 2017 13:52:21 GMT
I think chasing your dream is fine, as long as you are able to adapt to changes and realities. Truth is most of us start out with an ideal of what we want our lives to be. And, often, what we end up with is something very different and satisfying in ways we never expected. Which isn't to say there aren't difficulties and down times along the way. But when I look back at choices I made and "what ifs" I realize that if I hadn't made the choices I made - even if they weren't always the best choices - I wouldn't have the spouse, children, and friends that I have today. So I wouldn't go back and change my choices.
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Post by christmastrenzalore on Apr 16, 2017 14:33:37 GMT
"Pursue your Interests" is probably a more down to Earth version of the phrase.
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Post by acousticwolf on Apr 16, 2017 17:03:34 GMT
... But when I look back at choices I made and "what ifs" I realize that if I hadn't made the choices I made - even if they weren't always the best choices - I wouldn't have the spouse, children, and friends that I have today. So I wouldn't go back and change my choices. I have to agree, even though I might want to change some of my choices, I wouldn't be the person I am today if I had (and I think that's a good thing on the whole). As was mentioned by others, one thing I have learned is that "dreams are fine", most are even achievable (in some way) but you have to work for it. They very rarely arrive on their own. It's taken me a long time to realise this and am only just starting to follow my own advice (that I constantly spout to the kids)  . Cheers Tony |
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Post by jasonward on Apr 16, 2017 17:12:59 GMT
I don't think that following your dream means that you won't work hard, they are two separate things, and many of those that have pursued their dreams have worked hard.
The problem with pursuing your dream is trying to apply it too widely, the world needs dreamers, and it needs realists, the dreamers break barriers and push us forward, and the realists make it all work together.
Neither is a higher form of existence or a better thing to do, they are both needed, both have their merits and demerits.
The problem with making "pursue your dreams" as a generalisation is that devalues the contribution and value of those that don't.
Those that dream and don't put in the work, are not persueing their dream, they are merely dreamers and such dreaming rarely adds anything to the world. Those that take a realist mind set, but fail to put in the work are also dreamers, they just dream of a realists world, but add nothing to world.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 1:22:11 GMT
I don't think that following your dream means that you won't work hard, they are two separate things, and many of those that have pursued their dreams have worked hard. The problem with pursuing your dream is trying to apply it too widely, the world needs dreamers, and it needs realists, the dreamers break barriers and push us forward, and the realists make it all work together. Neither is a higher form of existence or a better thing to do, they are both needed, both have their merits and demerits. You see this in fiction quite a bit really, you have the idea-fountain people (e.g. Gene Roddenberry) who give us revolutionary ideas and then you have the idea-anchor people (e.g. D.C. Fontana) who fill in the cracks and make it explicable. A narrower example is the writer and the script editor, one gives them the idea in the first place and the other makes it work in the end. Of course, that's an extreme oversimplification. The exchange of ideas is all over the place and sometimes it's the anchors who give the fountains their ideas, often in mid-flow of the creative process. Even Attack of the Clones was script doctored by Carrie Fisher. The problem with making "pursue your dreams" as a generalisation is that devalues the contribution and value of those that don't. Those that dream and don't put in the work, are not pursuing their dream, they are merely dreamers and such dreaming rarely adds anything to the world. Those that take a realist mindset, but fail to put in the work are also dreamers, they just dream of a realists world, but add nothing to world. I like to think that the realist's analogue is "Find something you love and you'll never work a day in your life," because I know for a fact that's possible. With the internet today, it's not as much of an anomaly as people think. *cough* Big Finish *cough* *cough* Amongst a wide pool of others. The comedy troupe LoadingReadyRun, the dancing electric violinist Lindsey Sterling, etc. |
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Apr 17, 2017 12:06:05 GMT
I chased my dreams and now do not work in telly... or animation... or radio... I've had one book out and it went no where.
Dreams are a distraction.
Crush them now and be happy.
It's better to regret what you didn't try... than ti regret trying and failing an wasting what little talent you thought you had at the cost of friends and family
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Apr 17, 2017 12:08:17 GMT
Dreams...
Without talent or work are just distraction.
Dreams with work are fun. But if you lack talent they are just distractions too
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Post by jasonward on Apr 17, 2017 13:16:32 GMT
You sound very depressed TinDogPodcast I hope your getting the support you need. |
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Apr 17, 2017 13:20:45 GMT
I'm fine. Ignore me.
But cherrs for your concern
Probably a mid life crisis
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Apr 17, 2017 17:01:09 GMT
I don't look at it as chasing dreams. I look at it at achieving goals.
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Post by Timelord007 on Apr 19, 2017 7:51:11 GMT
Still dreaming of the day i wake up with Emily Beck Rickards (Felicity in Arrow) next to me....I'm confident my charm would win her over.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Apr 20, 2017 9:32:56 GMT
I don't look at it as chasing dreams. I look at it at achieving goals. I used to feel like that. |
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