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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 18, 2017 13:06:45 GMT
The Seventh and Tenth Doctors both had Human Nature as their adventures.
The Fourth and Eighth Doctors both experienced Shada.
How do you fit these into canon? How do you explain The Doctor having the same adventure twice?
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Post by bobod on Apr 18, 2017 13:12:52 GMT
I think that, for a laugh, Big Finish should make Shada again with Tom.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 18, 2017 13:13:50 GMT
I think that, for a laugh, Big Finish should make Shada again with Tom. The Doctor having the same adventure three times would be stretching it a bit.
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Post by doomlord on Apr 18, 2017 13:43:20 GMT
I think that, for a laugh, Big Finish should make Shada again with Tom. The Doctor having the same adventure three times would be stretching it a bit. Jon Pertwee and Colin Baker in 'The Ultimate Adventure'. As for stretching it, both Doctors had this same adventure at least thirty times each.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 18, 2017 13:45:17 GMT
The Doctor having the same adventure three times would be stretching it a bit. Jon Pertwee and Colin Baker in 'The Ultimate Adventure'. As for stretching it, both Doctors had this same adventure at least thirty times each. How do you fit both Ultimate Adventures in your head canon though?
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Post by theotherjosh on Apr 18, 2017 14:27:35 GMT
The Seventh Doctor experienced Remembrance of the Daleks twice, except the second time around they called it Silver Nemesis.
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Post by sherlock on Apr 18, 2017 14:39:05 GMT
The two versions of Human Nature are distinct enough it doesn't matter, they're not even set in the same year and have completely different villains. Eighth Doctor Shada explains the attempted time scoop of the Fourth Doctor in The Five Doctors negated Fourth Doctor Shada. Easy
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 18, 2017 14:47:44 GMT
The two versions of Human Nature are distinct enough it doesn't matter, they're not even set in the same year and have completely different villains. Eighth Doctor Shada explains the attempted time scoop of the Fourth Doctor in The Five Doctors negated Fourth Doctor Shada. Easy I was thinking of the Gareth Roberts Shada. How do you explain that?
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Post by sherlock on Apr 18, 2017 14:49:29 GMT
The two versions of Human Nature are distinct enough it doesn't matter, they're not even set in the same year and have completely different villains. Eighth Doctor Shada explains the attempted time scoop of the Fourth Doctor in The Five Doctors negated Fourth Doctor Shada. Easy I was thinking of the Gareth Roberts Shada. How do you explain that? The Gareth Roberts Shada happened then the events of The Five Doctors wiped it from history requiring the Eighth Doctor to have his version of Shada.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 18, 2017 15:00:19 GMT
I was thinking of the Gareth Roberts Shada. How do you explain that? The Gareth Roberts Shada happened then the events of The Five Doctors wiped it from history requiring the Eighth Doctor to have his version of Shada. That's a very Moffat-y explanation. Are you Steven Moffat? Regardless, I find that a plausible solution actually. That'll be my head canon from now on.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Apr 18, 2017 15:11:07 GMT
I was thinking of the Gareth Roberts Shada. How do you explain that? The Gareth Roberts Shada happened then the events of The Five Doctors wiped it from history requiring the Eighth Doctor to have his version of Shada. This is how my head canon sees it, Fourth can happen and then is undone by the Five Doctors leaving the final version in continuity as Eight's. (Be thankful Tom DID say no to The Five Doctors otherwise this would be even harder to retcon!)
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 18, 2017 16:04:49 GMT
I wonder if Moffat will canonise both versions of Shada before he leaves?
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Post by sherlock on Apr 18, 2017 16:15:23 GMT
I wonder if Moffat will canonise both versions of Shada before he leaves? Doubt it, but then I didn't think he would solve the TARDIS acroynm problem either and he just did that, so who knows?
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Post by fitzoliverj on Apr 18, 2017 17:48:37 GMT
More importantly, when are the Pertwee UNIT stories set?
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Post by constonks on Apr 18, 2017 17:51:45 GMT
I was thinking of the Gareth Roberts Shada. How do you explain that? The Gareth Roberts Shada happened then the events of The Five Doctors wiped it from history requiring the Eighth Doctor to have his version of Shada. That's not even a theory. It's just what they said at the beginning of the Eighth Doctor version. Made extra confusing by the fact that two stories since The Five Doctors (one a Seven novel, one an Eleven comic) referenced the Fourth Doc version of events!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 2:04:32 GMT
The Gareth Roberts Shada happened then the events of The Five Doctors wiped it from history requiring the Eighth Doctor to have his version of Shada. That's not even a theory. It's just what they said at the beginning of the Eighth Doctor version. Made extra confusing by the fact that two stories since The Five Doctors (one a Seven novel, one an Eleven comic) referenced the Fourth Doc version of events! Both are incarnations that seem to be wiser to their own temporal inconsistencies, so that makes sense. Of course, if we're counting novelisations, we're missing one enormous occurrence of twinning that's dogged the show's footsteps since virtually its conception -- the Target novelisations. Jo Grant is introduced twice and remembers Wenley Moor, Ian and Barbara didn't know each other before the car crash on Barnes Common, the First Doctor both rests in the sleep compressor and regenerates on the floor of the TARDIS and Mel is dropped off on Oxyveguramosa at the end of The Ultimate Foe. The Doctor having the same adventure three times would be stretching it a bit. Jon Pertwee and Colin Baker in 'The Ultimate Adventure'. As for stretching it, both Doctors had this same adventure at least thirty times each. We're caught in a chronic hysteresis! There's also a third incarnation played by David Banks who appeared which fans have taken to calling the Greenpeace Doctor. Placement becomes doubly hard when you consider that Pertwee flubbed a line and Third called Crystal "Sarah Jane" by mistake.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 19, 2017 7:54:01 GMT
The target novelisations are written by the companions, and the companions are fictionalized versions of themselves.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Apr 19, 2017 16:52:13 GMT
The target novelisations are written by the companions, and the companions are fictionalized versions of themselves. No they aren't. I grew up pre available VHS recordings and read and reread them, and they aren't. The most used device is the unnamed narrator, which Dicks favoured a lot. Don't let audio readings confuse the point on that.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 19, 2017 18:05:04 GMT
The target novelisations are written by the companions, and the companions are fictionalized versions of themselves. No they aren't. I grew up pre available VHS recordings and read and reread them, and they aren't. The most used device is the unnamed narrator, which Dicks favoured a lot. Don't let audio readings confuse the point on that. I was trying to come up with a canonical explanation, not a reinterpretation of how the books are written. Who's to say the Target novelisations couldn't exist in-universe and be written by the likes of Harry Sullivan? The real life actor Ian Marter wrote one of them.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Apr 19, 2017 18:11:00 GMT
No they aren't. I grew up pre available VHS recordings and read and reread them, and they aren't. The most used device is the unnamed narrator, which Dicks favoured a lot. Don't let audio readings confuse the point on that. I was trying to come up with a canonical explanation, not a reinterpretation of how the books are written. Who's to say the Target novelisations couldn't exist in-universe and be written by the likes of Harry Sullivan? The real life actor Ian Marter wrote one of them. Who's to say? Well, everyone really. And why do you need a canonical interpretation for them existing in the universe in the first place? The only ones that could exist are the sciencey ones for kids referenced in "The Kingmaker".
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