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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 19, 2017 18:15:37 GMT
I was trying to come up with a canonical explanation, not a reinterpretation of how the books are written. Who's to say the Target novelisations couldn't exist in-universe and be written by the likes of Harry Sullivan? The real life actor Ian Marter wrote one of them. Who's to say? Well, everyone really. And why do you need a canonical interpretation for them existing in the universe in the first place? The only ones that could exist are the sciencey ones for kids referenced in "The Kingmaker". Wolfie suggested the Target novelisations for discussion: I just thought it would be fun in the nature of this thread to suggest a way of canonising the Target books. I'm not saying my idea's the best for how the Target novelisations could be canonical, it's only a suggestion in the spirit of the discussion.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Apr 19, 2017 18:21:46 GMT
I think you're confusing being canonical with being in universe, and they're quite different. If you're not then fair enough but that is how it reads to me. Mostly where a Target book deviates from the TV version it is expanding or using material edited or changed from the broadcast version. Not all the time, sometimes there is just sheer invention, however in the no real canon world of Doctor Who there is ONE thing you can take as being canon: if there is a book version or a TV version then the TV is the final word on the matter. That's pretty much how it goes. If the book adds something then cool but if it contradicts the TV then it isn't in. Now, there may be people about to jump on me for stating that but I was under the impression that that was how it worked, whether we liked it or not. And some of the TV shows would have benefitted from being swapped with their book versions!
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 19, 2017 19:13:33 GMT
The official stance is that TV is canonical over the Target novelisations, but Doctor Who is a sci-fi show and in sci-fi anything is possible. Both can be canonical if you use your imagination to make it work. Maybe the Target novelisations are set in alternate universes?
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Apr 19, 2017 19:31:56 GMT
The official stance is that TV is canonical over the Target novelisations, but Doctor Who is a sci-fi show and in sci-fi anything is possible. Both can be canonical if you use your imagination to make it work. Maybe the Target novelisations are set in alternate universes? If you want to believe that for your personal head canon then more power to you.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 9:15:22 GMT
The official stance is that TV is canonical over the Target novelisations, but Doctor Who is a sci-fi show and in sci-fi anything is possible. Both can be canonical if you use your imagination to make it work. Maybe the Target novelisations are set in alternate universes? The implication at the end of Campaign is that two universes are split off -- one being the televised universe and the other possibly the Target novelisations. I do like Steven Moffat's idea of the Amicus Dalek films being the creation of Ian and Barbara under a pseudonym, but I'm torn between that and the Cushing/Toymaker theory. Similarly, I can't really see Ian publishing An Exciting Adventure with the Daleks without a few name changes. Fitting though it would be since the whole thing is written in the first person.
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Post by mrperson on Apr 24, 2017 23:04:32 GMT
I think that, for a laugh, Big Finish should make Shada again with Tom. Hah... McGann did a great job with it, as he just about always does, but I'd still buy it.
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Post by mrperson on Apr 24, 2017 23:06:49 GMT
The official stance is that TV is canonical over the Target novelisations, but Doctor Who is a sci-fi show and in sci-fi anything is possible. Both can be canonical if you use your imagination to make it work. Maybe the Target novelisations are set in alternate universes? If there is an argument about what is and is not canon, I think the only logical is that the entity that holds the rights and any entity it contracts those rights out to creates canonical work. Everything else is fan-fiction. On the other hand, I also think arguments about what is and is not canon are silly, because how is anyone going to police what someone else likes to believe in their own headspace?
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Post by sherlock on Apr 25, 2017 0:07:26 GMT
The official stance is that TV is canonical over the Target novelisations, but Doctor Who is a sci-fi show and in sci-fi anything is possible. Both can be canonical if you use your imagination to make it work. Maybe the Target novelisations are set in alternate universes? Actually I don't believe there is an official stance. The BBC has never issued anything stating definitively what is canon and what is not. There's some charter-related stuff restricting it or something. Now granted there is relative consensus that stuff like the Target novelisations isn't canon, but there is no official statement either way.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 0:41:55 GMT
The official stance is that TV is canonical over the Target novelisations, but Doctor Who is a sci-fi show and in sci-fi anything is possible. Both can be canonical if you use your imagination to make it work. Maybe the Target novelisations are set in alternate universes? Actually I don't believe there is an official stance. The BBC has never issued anything stating definitively what is canon and what is not. There's some charter-related stuff restricting it or something. Now granted there is relative consensus that stuff like the Target novelisations isn't canon, but there is no official statement either way. Quite so. Doctor Who is one of the very few fandoms without an authorial authority, which means it operates on the Blake's 7 adage of: I think why the televised series has been classified as de facto canon is that: - Most, if not all, exo-canon stories rely upon it as a stylistic framework (i.e. this is what Doctor Who is) and;
- It'd be almost impossible to organise a continuous timeline without it.
Although that said... I'm really curious to see what could be made of a continuity without the television series or its Target counterpart actually. What would that look like?
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