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Post by sherlock on May 3, 2017 19:25:58 GMT
Seems so. Brexit's given them the ideal excuse for any and all shortcomings. Plus attacking the EU means guaranteed positive headlines in the Mail and Sun.
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Post by number13 on May 3, 2017 20:14:48 GMT
Seems so. Brexit's given them the ideal excuse for any and all shortcomings. Plus attacking the EU means guaranteed positive headlines in the Mail and Sun. And more widely than that. I can't understand what the EU is trying to do by leaking negative accounts of 'difficult' meetings and suggesting €100bn exit bills etc. They must know that will all be fuel for the Conservative campaign and play well for them with the Leave majority? Unless (conspiracy theory time!) they want a stable government with a majority to deal with over the next few years, and don't see any other option than May? The EU does like stability and may think they hold all the negotiating cards anyway. Or, the EU side is less organised than we have been told and the unhelpful (to them) material is a sign of this?
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Post by jasonward on May 3, 2017 22:55:50 GMT
... is the Tory agenda now to make the EU the bogey man for everything? It would seem Laura Kuenssberg BBC Political editor thinks this too.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on May 4, 2017 5:40:32 GMT
Right. The British people want to leave... apparently. And they said so
As I.... Probably mistakenly... believe in democracy then we have no choice.
Dispite my belief that the sun manipulated the public so it could save a billion quid when fox bought sky...
We have to do it.
The Tories are the blame. They are reactive and never proactive
They want a return to a non existent golden age... see last week's doctor who for an example
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Post by acousticwolf on May 4, 2017 8:14:00 GMT
I'm sick of this already. "They" want the public to make a decision ... they don't like the result, we have two elections in two months (local and general), not one candidate has been round. Politics is back to being nasty, nasty "if you vote for them, bad things will happen" (or maybe it was always like this? just seems worse this year right back to the "Bliar" years).
I told them this at the Polling Station this morning. Not sure I'll be let back in come June lol.
Cheers
Tony
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Post by sherlock on May 4, 2017 8:46:49 GMT
Politics is back to being nasty, nasty "if you vote for them, bad things will happen" (or maybe it was always like this? just seems worse this year right back to the "Bliar" years). I think there's always been an elememt of that in politics. However safe to say the Tory campaign this year has been a new low, as it seems to consist entirely of attack Corbyn and say 'strong and stable leadership'. I can't name any new policies they're putting forward.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on May 4, 2017 9:05:58 GMT
The fags and chips pic will do more harm than a bacon sandwich photo...
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Post by TinDogPodcast on May 4, 2017 9:07:40 GMT
I recon if Blair comes back. He will win the following election.
He will always be the leader who took us into Bosnia when no none else would.
And the person behind the minimum wage.
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Post by acousticwolf on May 4, 2017 9:31:27 GMT
I recon if Blair comes back. He will win the following election. He will always be the leader who took us into Bosnia when no none else would. And the person behind the minimum wage. And the person who took us into Iraq and then lied about the reasons ... ... and gave us the Fuel Crisis and spoke to us like were were children. I would never like to see him in power again! Cheers Tony
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Post by jasonward on May 4, 2017 10:52:25 GMT
I recon if Blair comes back. He will win the following election. He will always be the leader who took us into Bosnia when no none else would. And the person behind the minimum wage. And the person who took us into Iraq and then lied about the reasons ... ... and gave us the Fuel Crisis and spoke to us like were were children. I would never like to see him in power again! Cheers Tony Gave us the fuel crisis? That was hardly his doing, or even due to government policy, unless you claim fuel duty as the cause, in which case the finger needs to be pointed to someone many decades earlier.
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Post by number13 on May 4, 2017 13:18:12 GMT
Politics is back to being nasty, nasty "if you vote for them, bad things will happen" (or maybe it was always like this? just seems worse this year right back to the "Bliar" years). I think there's always been an elememt of that in politics. However safe to say the Tory campaign this year has been a new low, as it seems to consist entirely of attack Corbyn and say 'strong and stable leadership'. I can't name any new policies they're putting forward. The manifestos aren't out yet. I've been surprised by how many new policies Labour have announced before the formal manifesto launches, could be a good move because many of their policies seem individually popular. As to the tactics, May:Corbyn 6:1 (or more) among older voters (i.e. those who actually vote) so it's understandable tactically. Notice also how May has said 'vote for me' and ' my candidates', not 'Conservative candidates'? A clear sign that their private polls must be showing that whatever the Tory party lead over Labour, her personal lead over Corbyn is much more. But a new low? No. It has been like this as long as I remember. Possibly Thatcher v Callaghan in 1979 was the last 'polite' election.
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Post by sherlock on May 4, 2017 14:04:32 GMT
I think there's always been an elememt of that in politics. However safe to say the Tory campaign this year has been a new low, as it seems to consist entirely of attack Corbyn and say 'strong and stable leadership'. I can't name any new policies they're putting forward. The manifestos aren't out yet. I've been surprised by how many new policies Labour have announced before the formal manifesto launches, could be a good move because many of their policies seem individually popular. As to the tactics, May:Corbyn 6:1 (or more) among older voters (i.e. those who actually vote) so it's understandable tactically. Notice also how May has said 'vote for me' and ' my candidates', not 'Conservative candidates'? A clear sign that their private polls must be showing that whatever the Tory party lead over Labour, her personal lead over Corbyn is much more. But a new low? No. It has been like this as long as I remember. Possibly Thatcher v Callaghan in 1979 was the last 'polite' election. Yeah I was probably exaggerating a bit, mainly due to the endless repetition of 'strong and stable' which is irritating the hell out of me.
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Post by jasonward on May 4, 2017 14:10:30 GMT
The manifestos aren't out yet. I've been surprised by how many new policies Labour have announced before the formal manifesto launches, could be a good move because many of their policies seem individually popular. As to the tactics, May:Corbyn 6:1 (or more) among older voters (i.e. those who actually vote) so it's understandable tactically. Notice also how May has said 'vote for me' and ' my candidates', not 'Conservative candidates'? A clear sign that their private polls must be showing that whatever the Tory party lead over Labour, her personal lead over Corbyn is much more. But a new low? No. It has been like this as long as I remember. Possibly Thatcher v Callaghan in 1979 was the last 'polite' election. Yeah I was probably exaggerating a bit, mainly due to the endless repetition of 'strong and stable' which is irritating the hell out of me. I'm finding much of the Tory campaign is irritating me, I wonder if its having the same effect on the electorate at large, or whether it's just those that are already disinclined to vote for them.
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Post by muckypup on May 4, 2017 14:17:24 GMT
the politics of this country are in a mess. They all behave like a bunch of squabbling children and lie to cover their short Cummings.
not one is worthy of taking us down the path we are going along. Grow up, behave like adults.
stop it with mission statements, slogans and spin. Try the truth and pledges you can keep.
everyone of the so called leaders is entrenched in so many lies and half truths its impossible to believe a single word.
i have no idea who to vote for, and not sure i will have any clearer view by voting day.
too be perfectly honest, i feel ashamed at how they are behaving and the way we look to the rest of the world.
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Post by muckypup on May 4, 2017 14:53:42 GMT
I recon if Blair comes back. He will win the following election. He will always be the leader who took us into Bosnia when no none else would. And the person behind the minimum wage. and you recon they were positives? 1000's of unprepared troops come back with PTSD to an unprepared & under funded recovery scheme, and a wage system that employers see as the minimum they now have to pay and hampered lower payed workers ever since & actually lowered many mid pay workers too. they may have had good intentions but have exactly been a resounding success. Blair should never be allow to run for election again.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on May 4, 2017 15:04:39 GMT
Yeah. Being the only country willing to step in to stop genocide.... clearly a bad thing
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Post by doctorkernow on May 4, 2017 19:28:43 GMT
Hello again.
Five more weeks to go... A crass and idiotic poster from Missy May didn't impress the Meddling Monk Mr. Corbyn. Meanwhile, Farron the Valeyard who leads the Lib Dems, has had to show real restraint when challenged by a member of the public.
The return of Rassilon Blair, who seems determined to intervene in the destiny of the UK.
Oh, I can't keep this up for five weeks. I going into the garden to water my potatoes, beans and various berries. I will be fighting the brambloids and the Nettlox and there I shall stay until this whole business is over.
Have fun debating, it is important but I shall not be posting in this thread for a while even in jest. Gone gardening...
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Post by muckypup on May 5, 2017 1:06:51 GMT
Yeah. Being the only country willing to step in to stop genocide.... clearly a bad thing I didn't say it was a bad thing, just saying it wasn't the best for those involved, I had 2 friends comit suicide (they were just 20)and 1 who was left paralized after coming back from Bosnia, their view of things was very different. Maybe that has coloured my view. I believe that your 1st duty should be your troops welfare and he never delivered on that. but yes you can pull positives from someone's time in office, but for me Blair is irideemable after the lies about Iraq war, he never listened to the voice of the people & the corruption involved in covering up the wrong doings, because I believe they are so bad that the implications for parliament would be catastrophic. His Behaviour out of office has been far from exemplary either. but yes he still has some supporters, but hey buddy, who wants to fallout over Blair......or blarrrrh as we refer to him these days
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Post by jasonward on May 5, 2017 16:47:31 GMT
So with the local election results in, they can summarised as:
Conservatives make big gains taking seats from both Labour and UKIP Labour make big losses, thumped and dazed, with their support apparently switch directly to the Conservatives Liberal Democrats loose out, badly bruised, again their support apparently switch directly to the Conservatives UKIP wiped out, lays dead, again their support apparently switch directly to the Conservatives
In Scotland SNP hold their own, but again every other party in Scotland seems to loose support directly the Conservatives
What this means over all, I guess, is, come the General Election we can expect more of the same.
I am at a loss to understand what this means in terms of what the electorate at large believe in, whilst UKIP have basically imploded, it seems odd (to me) that those that thought they were a viable alternative have so readily switch (back?) to the Conservatives. All I can really think, is that in these times of Brexit the electorate opted for they saw as the "safe" (or at least safest) option.
In Scotland it seems we are just seeing the schism between the pro independence movement and pro union movement becoming ever wider and more entrenched, which of course means when one side or the other looses the proposed up and coming referendum to disappointment and perhaps anger will be more pronounced than ever. The increase in support for The Conservatives also help to legitimise their stand that there should not be another referendum.
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Post by sherlock on May 5, 2017 17:07:33 GMT
Regarding the local elections I should point out the turnouts are not as high as the general election will/should be, so they're not necessarily directly predictive. That said, we can obviously clean the general mood of the electorate from them and if I was in Labour or UKIP, I'd be very worried. It's clear Labour are losing out majorly, they should not have lost seats in Glasgow of all places. Labour is clearly weak at the moment, they will have to seriously turn around their campaign in next few weeks.
The growth in Conservative support in Scotland is very interesting. Ruth Davison has pulled off a miracle to get them into second. I don't see that manifesting into anything at a general level, but these are very uncertain times in Scottish politics.
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