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Post by TinDogPodcast on Apr 18, 2017 21:31:26 GMT
Ok.
So there's going to be a general election...
What policy's are you most worried about?
Or will you just vote the same way you always do...
I mean I do.
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Post by lidar on Apr 18, 2017 21:44:02 GMT
I will vote the way I always do. I am probably most worried about what it will mean for Scotland and Northern Ireland as it is a delicate time for both countries for different reasons.
Those 2 countries aside I think the Tories will be back with a larger majority which will be on the whole good. It will strengthen Theresa May's hand against her own backbenchers, particularly against the more Europhobic ones who would otherwise push us towards a hard brexit. Labour will lose, but hopefully that will galvanise a return to sanity on the part of the Labour party with Corbyn, McDonnell, Momentum and all their fellow travellers thrown out. I am not a Labour supporter, but I recognise that it is in the interests of the UK to have a moderate sensible left of centre party providing a credible opposition and holding the Tories to account. The current state of the Labour party does no one any good. Their best hope (and I don't think it's at all likely to happen) is "Come back David Miliband, all is forgiven" after the election.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 21:45:22 GMT
It's almost an irrelevance what policies the various parties outline, this is the Brexit election to legitimise Theresa May's government, well timed when they are MILES ahead in the polls. Corbyn can promise the moon on a stick and won't get near Downing St. I actually believe May when she said she didn't plan on doing it till 2020 but seeing just how atrocious Labour have been since Corbyn won his second leadership election it must appear to be the easiest open goal in a long, long while making it a much easier decision. Indeed, it's the decision Gordon Brown should have made when succedding Blair. He would have been PM longer than 2010 if he had.
Labour MPs against Corbyn will relish it, even though they'll lose the election in a landslide, as it's the only way to get Corbyn and McDonnell out before 2020. Scotland will still be virtually all SNP - may even get the chance to boot Alistair Carmichael, David Mundell and Ian Murray god willing - and I don't see any real Lib-Dem fightback bar the odd seat. The Tories will increase their majority and the hard-Brexit underpinned with a term of harsh austerity will begin. Hopefully from the ashes of the fallen Labour, something can rise and stand against May and co though it's hard to see who. Dan Jarvis? Keir Starmer? They can't do worse but there's no obvious white knight. On a personal basis, any chance to show once again that the SNP have a mandate to speak for the Scottish people, is something I welcome and can only be valuable capital pre-Indy Ref 2. Not much solace for those not under the protection of a pretty powerful devolved parliament though. I'd be very, very concerned living in England as a lefty or even a centrist.
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Post by doctorkernow on Apr 18, 2017 22:01:31 GMT
Hello again
All I will say is this. This election will decide the future direction of this country for five years. Whatever your politics, get your right to vote sorted out. If you need to, sort out a postal vote. On June 8th, get out in plenty of time and vote.
If you do not use your vote on June 8th don't you dare complain about the result. I was unable to vote in last year's referendum as my daughter was in hospital and I was not in my usual constituency.
Finally, we are very lucky in this country. We have a choice, a real choice. There is discussion, debate and free speech. People in other countries have no choice as to who governs them. Use this opportunity to educate yourself about what each party plan to do. Yes,they can all be "economical with the truth"; but try if you can, to challenge these people who seek your precious vote.
Vote based on what is important to you now and for the next few years into the next decade.
That was a party political post on behalf of the Make Your Vote Count Party. Thank you for your time...
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Post by eldersensorite on Apr 18, 2017 22:30:31 GMT
Finally, we are very lucky in this country. We have a choice, a real choice. There is discussion, debate and free speech. People in other countries have no choice as to who governs them. Well... I of course appreciate that we are better off than a lot of countries when it comes to democracy, but we have an unelected head of state, an indirectly elected Prime Minister, an unelected upper house, and a lower house that is elected with such a terrible system that it may as well be unelected. Doesn't seem like much of a choice to me, and that's before even considering what those choices are.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 5:54:08 GMT
It's going to be a strange election as Tories are going on a hard Brexit mandate and Liberals are going on a hard anti-Brexit one. Labour are left in the middle as given their current electorate they have to appeal to both. Leaving Corbyns problems aside (and I've alwayd felt he would have been fine if only his own MP's had supported him instead of being more interested in power than principles) he's on a hiding to nothing as his message will necessarily become a complicated one and will likely get drowned out.
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Post by acousticwolf on Apr 19, 2017 8:15:35 GMT
To be honest ... I really don't know! Tough choice this time, I admire what May is trying to do but I have real concerns with my own MP and all party's policies - I know this election is all about leaving the EU (I hate the word Brexit) but I'm worried about what comes next (whoever is in control) . When I heard, I echoed the lady in the street who said "Oh for God's sake!"
Cheers
Tony
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Apr 19, 2017 8:22:18 GMT
Imagine if someone started a
Stay in Europe party...
Like ukip but with logic.
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Post by acousticwolf on Apr 19, 2017 9:32:36 GMT
Imagine if someone started a Stay in Europe party... Like ukip but with logic. Isn't that the Lib Dems? Only prob with that is no one knows if Article 50 can be reversed now ... Cheers Tony
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Apr 19, 2017 10:07:36 GMT
We are a democracy...
We are people
We can do anything
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Post by mark687 on Apr 19, 2017 10:10:30 GMT
I don't think it'll change anything in England Those who voted Brexit will vote to keep it on course, and although I'm against it, the Blues are the only party with anything remotely approaching a plan for it and governance for after.
The interesting outcome I feel will be Scotland because publicly May was saying better together, then they meet, she refuses Indy 2, then gives the whole country a General, there by possibly ensuring a total SNP representation in Parliament unless May thinks there's a real possibility of the SNP losing seats.
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mark687
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Post by jasonward on Apr 19, 2017 10:23:54 GMT
So fix term parliaments were introduced to stop Prime Minister from picking the moment when they thought it best for them and their party, a sort of guarantee on fairness.
Theresa May's announcement that she will seek a parliamentary vote (she will in fact be asking for a vote of no confidence in her government, and any that oppose the vote will in fact be voting to say they have confidence in her government) is in my view a cynical for a number of reasons, but the one that alarms me most, and the one that I've seen no one else comment on, is that she looked at the law, a law specifically designed to stop her from doing what she's doing and side stepped it.
Next time some circumvents planning permission, or a corporation runs rings around some law meant to prevent an action or other, how can politicians or indeed the government say anything? What good for goose is good for gander.
From this date forward, the parliament act 2009 is irrelevant.
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Post by muckypup on Apr 19, 2017 11:02:53 GMT
Oh yippee
The lies begin again.
With all this talk of legitimiseing May.....its smoke screen it's fear they will need to fight bi-elections because of dodgy campaigning for the last bloody election.
It's get in quick before Tories get their imaged damaged, and while riding high in the polls.
This is not democracy, there is no one telling the truth out there.
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Post by lidar on Apr 19, 2017 13:03:54 GMT
From this date forward, the parliament act 2009 is irrelevant. To be fair to the current PM it always was irrelevant. In the absence of a written constitution nothing is really set in stone anyway. Whatever the legislation says the practical politics of the situation is that the opposition, whatever party it happens to be, cannot be seen to be running away from an election and a PM wishing to call an early election would almost always be able to get his or her way. Maybe that is an argunent for a written constitution but in a parliamentary system where the executive needs the confidence of the legislature there has to be some provision for a situation where the executive loses that confidence. In a democracy that provision is most obviously an election. Once you start to give politicians a bit of wiggle room they will inevitably use it to their own advantage, hence the current election. I wouldn't be too hard in Theresa. The fixed term parliament act was never going to work. Sooner or later a PM was going to do exactly what she is now doing. It was a sop to the lib dens and imho simply proves yet again that the sort of cinstitutional change about which the lib dens are so passionate is almost always a distraction from the real issues.
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Post by sherlock on Apr 19, 2017 13:14:28 GMT
So fix term parliaments were introduced to stop Prime Minister from picking the moment when they thought it best for them and their party, a sort of guarantee on fairness. Theresa May's announcement that she will seek a parliamentary vote (she will in fact be asking for a vote of no confidence in her government, and any that oppose the vote will in fact be voting to say they have confidence in her government) is in my view a cynical for a number of reasons, but the one that alarms me most, and the one that I've seen no one else comment on, is that she looked at the law, a law specifically designed to stop her from doing what she's doing and side stepped it. Next time some circumvents planning permission, or a corporation runs rings around some law meant to prevent an action or other, how can politicians or indeed the government say anything? What good for goose is good for gander. From this date forward, the parliament act 2009 is irrelevant. *2010, it was a coalition thing. Tbh this was always the case, even the A-Level politics syllabus mentioned how easy it was to get around. I have no idea who I'm voting for, my seat's dead safe anyway so it doesn't make much difference in the grand scheme of things. What a time to be studying politics though, third national poll in three years. Brenda from Bristol is my spirit animal, I think most politics students would appreciate it slowing down a bit. We've got Trump, French elections, German elections, Brexit, and now a UK election to follow.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Apr 19, 2017 13:24:26 GMT
the one that alarms me most, and the one that I've seen no one else comment on, is that she looked at the law, a law specifically designed to stop her from doing what she's doing and side stepped it. Well, then, good news for you - that's not what's happening. Since Parliament cannot bind itself, there was always the option to repeal this legislation, but they're not doing that. The Fixed Parliament law set elections every five years unless a government can get a two-thirds majority in the House of Commons to hold one earlier.... what's happening to day is entirely in accordance with the law and the intentions of those who drafted and passed it. My biggest concern is that a lot of people on that noisy o' internet (and rest assured I'm not thinking about Jason here, or anyone on this particular website, in fact) haven't learned the lessons of the American election, and are banging on about their completely erroneous interpretation of the constitution (e.g. those who don't understand why Theresa May hasn't had to face an election already, or why the referendum went the way of the side that got the most votes, or why Scotland can't stay in the EU when the people who live there voted to stay, or why George Osborne can have outside work, although now he's quitting Parliament - although not necessarily forever - that's not so much of an issue). People need to work within the system we have, or else seek to change the system - there are too many people who prefer to think things are *already* they way they'd like them to be and it's just everybody else that's got it wrong. Actually, my *biggest* concern is that either the pollsters are still getting things wrong or that everybody's fed up with voting with the result the wrong side get in by accident.....
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Post by acousticwolf on Apr 19, 2017 13:47:50 GMT
It's just been confirmed by Parliament.
522 voted for 13 voted against SNP abstained
It's happening people ...
Cheers
Tony
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Post by mark687 on Apr 19, 2017 13:54:40 GMT
SNP Abstained 1st point to Ms May perhaps?
Regards
mark687
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Post by dasmaniac on Apr 19, 2017 14:46:49 GMT
British Politics fascinate me. What is the difference between Labor and Lib Dems though? They're both center-left parties right?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 14:47:44 GMT
SNP Abstained 1st point to Ms May perhaps? Regards mark687 Not terribly sure it's first point to anyone. The motion was going through anyway just based on the big 2, so the SNP didn't want to vote along with the parties they're about to spend a month and a half attacking and even longer fighting for Indy2. If any Scottish party has learned anything from the collapse of Labour in Scotland, it's that you don't stand should to shoulder with Tories. Bit hard for the SNP to attack May for putting her party ahead of the Brexit negotiations if you back the motion, after all. Yet at the same time, the SNP can't look like they're just unwilling to lose their own virtual monopoly on the seats here. Abstention was really the only option that made any real sense. The real joke is Labour voting this through so easily when the alternative would have been to vote it down and force the Tories to pass a motion of no confidence in their own leader. They didn't. Corbyn and co didn't even bother to say "Well, we'll vote for it if you agree to a live TV debate. They have - as they have done since the PLP and the leadership became so distant - just given the Tories a blank cheque. Lynton Crosby must be laughing.
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