UK General election 8th June

OK, but I've not heard any politician express that 'regret' - and that hypothetical scenario underlines why a statist ID scheme was such a bad idea. Extremists may have suggested 'deporting EU nationals' but has any serious politician of any mainstream party? The argument will be over relative rights for E.U. citizens here and British citizens in the E.U. I think the outlook is hopeful for 100% continuation of all current rights, because both sides want it and want it as a priority. But it will still be complex to achieve at a technical level (e.g. should the European Court adjudicate? That's the E.U. suggestion but an obvious non-starter in post-Brexit Britain), one indication of how incredibly complex Brexit is going to be.

Personally I was fully in favour of the free movement of E.U. nationals and would be perfectly happy to see that continue as a quid-pro-quo for continued mutual free trade, but then I was also happy to Remain.

'Doctor Who' fans who follow politics will likely enjoy the typically lighthearted Round Up of the political week on 'This Week', starting at 19:35 into the programme - and this week it's apparently presented by "the Doctor" himself - that must be an incarnation I missed, sure I recognise the hat and scarf though ...

This Week - 20/04/2017

I can't believe that jo ports memorial will be delayed...


Oh incase we accedently hear some of her policy's being read out.


I've a hate inside me.... it's like dispare but with teeth

Oh right, I'll reframe that then.  They care about Brexit but only in their own tiny idealogue way, which is based on nothing. I'll step by the idea that leaving was even right or wrong, that's a different argument entirely.  I'll take NI for example.  Never mind the lunacy that enforcing a 300 plus mile border is, and the UK is lucky in that Ireland is a pleasant neighbour unlike Spain at the moment (and they should have seen THAT coming) but legally every UK citizen born in NI is entitled to an Irish passport and Irish citizenry, and that isn't EU citizenry via membership of the EU, it's a bigger thing that still allows EU citizenship.  So is that going to keep on?  Can they actually revoke it?  What will happen if they keep it?  If they don't?  Not a single one of these questions has been raised or dealt with by the government.  I know for a fact that the Irish government set up an entire internal department to deal with it just after the referendum result was announced, yet they're not in the driving seat because they can't be, and still May's government has no plan.  We should blame Cameron because he was an idiot and as you said handed over a loaded shotgun.  

How do you solve it?  Right, Brexit is going ahead so you make damn sure that the Johnson/Gove mentality is removed from your government and you behave like grown ups and you have preliminary talks.  The EU refused to have talks?  Course they did, and then you talk to them anyway because that's how diplomacy works and that's why we have a Foreign Office and HAD an ambassador to the EU. Because all I see is "We're taking our ball and going home" except it's not your ball.  Hi EU, we're respecting the democratic (but still non binding!) wishes of our people and leaving, and we have to trigger the article to do that so can we all sit down and work out how to do that without crippling each other?  

I'll stop.  Otherwise I'll just go on more.  Vote.  If you vote Tory I will not understand you but whatever you do, vote, especially you 18 to 24 year olds. Apathy in politics in not an answer now, and never has been.  Sure, parts of it are dull but so is a large swathe of life, get over yourself and vote.

Well, when every citizen of one of the four countries of the UK retains the right to be an EU citizen and the others don't then there's a major discrepancy there.  And it's all part of the peace process rather than the government of Ireland just granting it to them ad hoc, so THEY can't simply remove it nor would they. It's a loophole where all the angles haven't been thought through because no thought was given to it at all frankly.


As for solving? Yeah, you're correct.  We're going to have that ball of string to unravel for years to come.  Wait until the GREAT ACT OF REPEAL arrives, or whatever Darth May is calling it now. 

Nope.  That's not the issue.  The right of UK nationals to have EU citizenship despite having left the EU and still not living in it is the issue, and that only dates since about the Good Friday Agreement.  I am an Irish citizen living in the UK and I'm fully up on what MY rights are re the UK, it's the other way around that is the thing that wasn't considered.

Darth May!!, lmao, Charlesuirdhein you have made my day with that line .

As I understand it, the GRB does repeal the Act which took us into the EEC and made European law applicable in the U.K.
But yes, it also transfers all applicable existing EU law into U.K. law. So the name is accurate, but only partially descriptive.

I agree that little or no thought was given to the effect that Leave would have on Ireland / Northern Ireland, or Gibraltar for that matter (and much more).
The Remain side did warn about the problems, but they were so sure of winning that no government preparation was done as to what would happen in the event of Leave, a huge mistake.

As a general point, I think that dismissal of certain groups and their views over many years is the main reason we are in this mess.

Re: Darth May. Don't agree, but presumably that means Obi-Wan Corbyn? (Can't quite see that either but he has the beard at least! )
So, perhaps we could skip the next seven weeks, save a lot of time and money and let them settle it right now, with light-sabres! "The polls are weak in you..."

I was comparing her more to Darth Tyranus as opposed to Vader.