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Post by number13 on Apr 29, 2017 13:42:58 GMT
It's a crap job. Like being England football manager Not so. His 'team' is the Doctor and the Doctor almost always wins...
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 29, 2017 13:57:49 GMT
If an episode is controversial then they are doing something right. The best episodes get people talking. You don't see many discussions of 42, but people are still talking about the likes of The Unquiet Dead or Victory of the Daleks. People talk about The Unquiet Dead? Never mind controversial some his episodes are actively hated, such as Sleep No More and Victory of the Daleks. I've certainly heard a lot of talk about it.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Apr 29, 2017 14:20:30 GMT
It's a crap job. Like being England football manager Not so. His 'team' is the Doctor and the Doctor almost always wins... that's one of the problems. He needs to start losing a few. the current doctor has lost, what, one time.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 29, 2017 14:29:08 GMT
Not so. His 'team' is the Doctor and the Doctor almost always wins... that's one of the problems. He needs to start losing a few. the current doctor has lost, what, one time. The 12th Doctor 'loses' in Listen (as in he doesn't find out if the creature exists), Sleep No More and Face The Raven. Three times.
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Post by eldersensorite on Apr 29, 2017 14:32:41 GMT
Honestly, if Gatiss was showrunner after Moffat I wouldn't have bothered returning to TV Doctor Who after I stopped watching part way through Series 9.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Apr 29, 2017 15:01:41 GMT
I'd argue Chibnalls record with Doctor Who is fine. Gatiss on the other hand comes bottom of many people's lists. Lots of hate goes around for Sleep no More and Robot of Sherwood in particular. If an episode is controversial then they are doing something right. The best episodes get people talking. You don't see many discussions of 42, but people are still talking about the likes of The Unquiet Dead or Victory of the Daleks. People also talk about Twilight, 50 Shades, Bayformers and the Seltzerberg spoofs like Disaster Movie and Starving Games. And you can turn it back and say 'no one talks about Idiot's Lantern or Cold War or Crimson Horror'. Sorry, but your counter-argument is really weak.
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Post by mrperson on Apr 29, 2017 15:28:05 GMT
I enjoyed Cold War. I think I may have enjoyed Unquiet Dead. But that's about it....
Not a big Gatiss fan.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Apr 29, 2017 16:13:02 GMT
Also they want to sell the show, and "Broadchurch" hits a bigger range than "League of ..."
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Post by jasonward on Apr 29, 2017 16:30:41 GMT
Thing is, what we don't know, and what Mark Gatiss probably doesn't know, is did someone approach his agent and get knocked back from them? You need only look at other interviews and Who, especially when it comes to BF, where actors say "I've not been asked" and BF say "We made an approach". We also don't know if Mark at some stage made a comment to Moffat et al about being glad he wasn't the showrunner, and so was discounted because he was taken at face value. Sure it looks like a missed opportunity, but even if he had been asked, do we know he would have accepted? It's far too simple to blame people for things when full circumstances are not known.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Apr 29, 2017 18:01:57 GMT
Sherlock's a different show though and I don't think how many episodes a writer has written under the departing showrunner should be taken into account. It's not really a proper indication of what their era would be like. What makes you think I don't understand that Sherlock is a different show? They still both worked together on it, and Gatiss has written more episodes under the present Doctor Who showrunner than anyone else, so there is a closeness there that I think the BBC is trying to stay away from for the new start they are hoping for Doctor Who. However, as Mark Gatiss has made it clear he doesn't want the job, a thread entitled 'What the hell, Moffat (and the BBC)', indicating he wasn't offered the job, has no bearing on reality. Thank you.
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Post by dalektimecontroller on Apr 29, 2017 23:59:57 GMT
I can understand why they went for Chibnall given the huge success of Broadchurch and the Saturday Night Takeaway sketches, but he doesn't have the most consistent track record with Doctor Who. Well to be fair, neither does Gatiss. Chibnall's stuff I have found to be mostly throwaway but of average quality - fine as a filler episode but I'm not likely to watch it again (although I've found a new appreciation for Dinosaurs on a Spaceship, just can't get past why the Silurians suddenly have an ark). Gatiss is much more hit-and-miss. Some episodes have been good ( The Unquiet Dead, The Idiot's Lantern (I like it anyway), The Crimson Horror), but others have been absolute stinkers ( Victory of the Daleks, Sleep No More, Robot of Sherwood). They both obviously have great talent. Chibnall's other work ( Broadchurch) proves his capabilities. Gatiss' other Doctor Who work has been of high class as well ( Phantasmagoria, Invaders from Mars, Nightshade, An Adventure in Space and Time). On the whole I think they went with the better option of the two. Chibnall has good writer/producer experience and a history of making television that draws people in. It's undeniable that Doctor Who is losing television audiences, even factoring in changing viewing habits. It's starting to look a bit tired in the eyes of the public, I believe. I think Chibnall has a chance of bringing back the casual viewers. Everyone was talking about the first season of Broadchurch before the finale. I for one am excited to see what Chibnall brings to the table as the man in charge as I think his previous episodes may have been hampered by their briefs. (I can only assume that episodes like The Hungry Earth and Dinosaurs on a Spaceship were conceived plot-wise by Moffat and then outsourced to Chibnall; he's even said as much in interviews.) Roll on Series 11.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Apr 30, 2017 0:07:22 GMT
I am rather fond of Dinosaurs on a Spaceship as well. Goofy, lighthearted fun until it stops being both goofy & lighthearted.
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