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Post by lidar on May 6, 2017 8:09:11 GMT
Problem for me is one of credibility. An actor can only play an ageless character for so long before they look too old. Not saying Barrowman is at that point yet but he does look older than he did in 2005/6.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 6, 2017 8:13:06 GMT
Problem for me is one of credibility. An actor can only play an ageless character for so long before they look too old. Not saying Barrowman is at that point yet but he does look older than he did in 2005/6. Assuming that he eventually becomes the Face of Boe, it could be more that he ages incredibly slow - so that to us and the characters in the show he appears ageless, but in actual fact it just takes a lot longer for him to show grey hairs.
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Post by agentten on May 6, 2017 8:20:53 GMT
I believe it was established that Jack does age. He comments in an episode that he found his first gray hair, as I recall. One way around the aging issue could be that the next time The Doctor or Gwen or whoever sees Jack, it's a few years on for them, but thousands of years have gone by for Jack, thus explaining a few extra wrinkles on Barrowman's face.
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Post by Ela on May 7, 2017 7:13:30 GMT
Yes, it was established that Jack does age.
He's not ageless. He just can't die.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 7, 2017 8:53:13 GMT
Interesting theory I've seen online : Pop Goes The Weasel is often a tune played in Jack In A Boxes = Captain Jack is literally in a box = Jack is in the vault.
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Post by omega on May 7, 2017 9:06:07 GMT
Problem for me is one of credibility. An actor can only play an ageless character for so long before they look too old. Not saying Barrowman is at that point yet but he does look older than he did in 2005/6. That's why the kid who played the Annoying Anointed One in season one of Buffy was killed off start of season two, he'd have visibly aged too much to be playing a perpetual child (he was going to be the Big Bad of season two). That's one reason young adults are cast as teenagers instead of actual teenagers, they've gone through their growth spurt and their puberty already.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on May 8, 2017 11:18:53 GMT
Problem for me is one of credibility. An actor can only play an ageless character for so long before they look too old. Not saying Barrowman is at that point yet but he does look older than he did in 2005/6. That's why the kid who played the Annoying Anointed One in season one of Buffy was killed off start of season two, he'd have visibly aged too much to be playing a perpetual child (he was going to be the Big Bad of season two). That's one reason young adults are cast as teenagers instead of actual teenagers, they've gone through their growth spurt and their puberty already. I thought they only did it because they like the performances of Spike and Drusila, so swapped round who was going to get killed
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Post by omega on May 8, 2017 11:20:42 GMT
That's why the kid who played the Annoying Anointed One in season one of Buffy was killed off start of season two, he'd have visibly aged too much to be playing a perpetual child (he was going to be the Big Bad of season two). That's one reason young adults are cast as teenagers instead of actual teenagers, they've gone through their growth spurt and their puberty already. I thought they only did it because they like the performances of Spike and Drusila, so swapped round who was going to get killed Spike and Drusilla, and later Angelus, were certainly more compelling but the actor aging while playing a character who didn't was a strong motive to kill him off.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on May 8, 2017 11:25:29 GMT
I thought they only did it because they like the performances of Spike and Drusila, so swapped round who was going to get killed Spike and Drusilla, and later Angelus, were certainly more compelling but the actor aging while playing a character who didn't was a strong motive to kill him off. That is very true. Although a part of me would have liked to have seen where a Season two Annoitted Plot would have gone. Actually thinking of it, they could have killed him off near the end of Season Two and Angelus takes over the plan as he wants the power.
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Post by bobod on May 8, 2017 11:36:21 GMT
That's why the kid who played the Annoying Anointed One in season one of Buffy was killed off start of season two, he'd have visibly aged too much to be playing a perpetual child (he was going to be the Big Bad of season two). That's one reason young adults are cast as teenagers instead of actual teenagers, they've gone through their growth spurt and their puberty already. I thought they only did it because they like the performances of Spike and Drusila, so swapped round who was going to get killed I've definitely been aware of Joss saying he realised he'd slipped up and there was no way they could practically have a kid vampire in the show and so made the decision he had to go.
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Post by omega on May 8, 2017 11:45:32 GMT
I thought they only did it because they like the performances of Spike and Drusila, so swapped round who was going to get killed I've definitely been aware of Joss saying he realised he'd slipped up and there was no way they could practically have a kid vampire in the show and so made the decision he had to go. That's why vampires and other immortal characters are teenagers, and why teenager characters are usually played by actors in their early 20's or older (usually up to early 30's). It's easier to maintain internal character continuity when the actors aren't going though puberty or visibly aging.
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Post by bobod on May 8, 2017 11:55:27 GMT
I've definitely been aware of Joss saying he realised he'd slipped up and there was no way they could practically have a kid vampire in the show and so made the decision he had to go. That's why vampires and other immortal characters are teenagers, and why teenager characters are usually played by actors in their early 20's or older (usually up to early 30's). It's easier to maintain internal character continuity when the actors aren't going though puberty or visibly aging. Oh that's easy - just waggle his tail.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 26, 2017 16:04:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 16:50:06 GMT
This is exactly the same news you started this thread with, just a new facebook video from John.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 26, 2017 16:51:38 GMT
This is exactly the same news you started this thread with, just a new facebook video from John. That confirms he's definitely leaving.
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Post by bobod on May 26, 2017 21:06:34 GMT
This is exactly the same news you started this thread with, just a new facebook video from John. That confirms he's definitely leaving. Which the original link you provided did. What does the new one *ADD* to make it seem "more likely" he'll return?
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 26, 2017 21:22:14 GMT
That confirms he's definitely leaving. Which the original link you provided did. What does the new one *ADD* to make it seem "more likely" he'll return? John Barrowman saying himself he won't be returning to the Arrowverse.
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Post by SG. on May 26, 2017 22:07:41 GMT
Which the original link you provided did. What does the new one *ADD* to make it seem "more likely" he'll return? John Barrowman saying himself he won't be returning to the Arrowverse. Which is exactly what the first link says too. Him saying it twice doesn't make an entirely unrelated thing more likely.
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Post by sherlock on May 26, 2017 23:42:07 GMT
No offence, but it isn't. All this does is confirm what we knew anyway. This means Barrowman's available to play Jack I guess, but it doesn't meant Chibnall actually wants to bring the character back.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 7:37:53 GMT
Jack should only return to Doctor Who if the story warrants his return, to include Jack just to fanw..k the Who fan's should never happen.
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