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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 2:06:59 GMT
Karen Gillan proves in both films why the 2005 revival of Doctor Who is known for casting top class actors before they become famous. I'm afraid I can't entirely agree with that, the original series also had the honour of superb actors that went onto become even bigger masters of their trade, household names and known both here and across the pond. For instance, Tim Pigott-Smith, Pauline Collins, Martin Jarvis, Hywel Bennett and Martin Clunes proves that it isn't just the revival. On top of that, John Cleese, Julian Glover, Jean Marsh, David Graham... Big Finish even managed to keep up this trend by casting David Tennant for Colditz and Sympathy for the Devil before his turn as the Doctor. During the 1980s, there was also the serious possibility of picking up high-profile actors like Donald Pleasance ( Escape from New York), David Bowie ( Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence) or Edward Woodward ( The Equalizer) for roles as well. There was a lot of staying power to the classic series at many points in its history.
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Post by Whovitt on May 9, 2017 3:48:12 GMT
I definitely liked Volume 2, but Volume 1 was far superior in my opinion. Volume 1 felt like it was NEW, in every sense - new cast, new setting, but more importantly, new STORY. It's not every day you get original feeling stories. Volume 2, on the other hand, was more a cobbling together of regular movie tropes/cliches with the Guardians characters mixed in. The result is definitely still good (it's Guardians of the Galaxy!), but not as good as the first instalment.
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Post by bohnny on May 9, 2017 5:28:25 GMT
First one - easily. If was fun. The second one was tedious and overwrought. But then, I'm so over super hero movies - unless they poke fun (ant man, deadpool)
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Post by bohnny on May 9, 2017 5:32:33 GMT
This (I've excluded the text about v2 being good though; I can't go that far ....😔)
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 9, 2017 8:56:49 GMT
Karen Gillan proves in both films why the 2005 revival of Doctor Who is known for casting top class actors before they become famous. I'm afraid I can't entirely agree with that, the original series also had the honour of superb actors that went onto become even bigger masters of their trade, household names and known both here and across the pond. For instance, Tim Pigott-Smith, Pauline Collins, Martin Jarvis, Hywel Bennett and Martin Clunes proves that it isn't just the revival. Fair enough, it just feels like the new series does it more to me. I think it's because with the new series it tends to happen with The Doctors and companions as well as the guest cast, whereas the only classic series Doctor (as great as they all are) who has gone onto bigger things is Sylvester McCoy and I can't even think of any classic companions who have become big.
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Post by doomlord on May 9, 2017 14:50:28 GMT
I'm afraid I can't entirely agree with that, the original series also had the honour of superb actors that went onto become even bigger masters of their trade, household names and known both here and across the pond. For instance, Tim Pigott-Smith, Pauline Collins, Martin Jarvis, Hywel Bennett and Martin Clunes proves that it isn't just the revival. On top of that, John Cleese, Julian Glover, Jean Marsh, David Graham... Big Finish even managed to keep up this trend by casting David Tennant for Colditz and Sympathy for the Devil before his turn as the Doctor. As Big Finish was forged from the classic series, then you're bang-on about David Tennant. As for the others, I would say they were famous before their stints on DW. Cleese already had Python and Towers, Glover was already a rising stage and familiar screen actor. Jean Marsh was probably yet to make a name for herself here in the UK, although she did seem to have small, steady film and TV appearances in the US (The Twilight Zone, Disney). David Graham, probably not famous but was a familiar face and voice throughout the 1950s too.
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Post by doomlord on May 9, 2017 15:04:34 GMT
I'm afraid I can't entirely agree with that, the original series also had the honour of superb actors that went onto become even bigger masters of their trade, household names and known both here and across the pond. For instance, Tim Pigott-Smith, Pauline Collins, Martin Jarvis, Hywel Bennett and Martin Clunes proves that it isn't just the revival. Fair enough, it just feels like the new series does it more to me. I think it's because with the new series it tends to happen with The Doctors and companions as well as the guest cast, whereas the only classic series Doctor (as great as they all are) who has gone onto bigger things is Sylvester McCoy and I can't even think of any classic companions who have become big. Well that's a different category altogether if you're narrowing down roles (or moving goalposts). My reply to you was solely because you 'proved' it was only the new series that was known for casting top actors before they became famous when in fact it isn't just the new series. Maybe the new series does it more for you because you haven't seen the majority of the original series and have a narrow range with regards to watching films, which in-turn probably limits your scope on famous or familiar actors.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 21:05:34 GMT
On top of that, John Cleese, Julian Glover, Jean Marsh, David Graham... Big Finish even managed to keep up this trend by casting David Tennant for Colditz and Sympathy for the Devil before his turn as the Doctor. As Big Finish was forged from the classic series, then you're bang-on about David Tennant. As for the others, I would say they were famous before their stints on DW. Cleese already had Python and Towers, Glover was already a rising stage and familiar screen actor. Jean Marsh was probably yet to make a name for herself here in the UK, although she did seem to have small, steady film and TV appearances in the US (The Twilight Zone, Disney). David Graham, probably not famous but was a familiar face and voice throughout the 1950s too. That's a good point, wasn't Martin Jarvis in The Web Planet though? A couple years before he did the Forsyte stories?
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Post by Timelord007 on May 9, 2017 21:26:59 GMT
Number 1 but only just.
Both are excellent movies however.
Both I'd rate 9/10
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Post by constonks on May 10, 2017 0:35:43 GMT
I'd say Vol. 1 over Vol. 2 partly because it was new and partly because it was cleaner narratively.
Although, a friend of mine saw Vol. 2 first and watched Vol. 1 that night and said his favourite part of either was Yondu's storyline in the second.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 10, 2017 7:32:20 GMT
I'd say Vol. 1 over Vol. 2 partly because it was new and partly because it was cleaner narratively. Although, a friend of mine saw Vol. 2 first and watched Vol. 1 that night and said his favourite part of either was Yondu's storyline in the second. The Ravagers funeral scene at the end was so sad.
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Post by doomlord on May 10, 2017 11:51:25 GMT
As Big Finish was forged from the classic series, then you're bang-on about David Tennant. As for the others, I would say they were famous before their stints on DW. Cleese already had Python and Towers, Glover was already a rising stage and familiar screen actor. Jean Marsh was probably yet to make a name for herself here in the UK, although she did seem to have small, steady film and TV appearances in the US (The Twilight Zone, Disney). David Graham, probably not famous but was a familiar face and voice throughout the 1950s too. That's a good point, wasn't Martin Jarvis in The Web Planet though? A couple years before he did the Forsyte stories? Yes, I mentioned Martin Jarvis for that very reason as well as to mean his other film and TV work. As for McCoy only going on to 'bigger things' (what limited scope are we talking about? The Hobbit? Pah!), well that's just shows ignorance of other 'Doctors' lengthy film careers both before and after their stints as the Time Lord. Hartnell came from bigger things for one. The Sinbad and Hammer Horror films were popular worldwide in several languages and The Omen was a blockbuster.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 10, 2017 11:57:58 GMT
That's a good point, wasn't Martin Jarvis in The Web Planet though? A couple years before he did the Forsyte stories? Yes, I mentioned Martin Jarvis for that very reason as well as to mean his other film and TV work. As for McCoy only going on to 'bigger things' (what limited scope are we talking about? The Hobbit? Pah!), well that's just shows ignorance of other 'Doctors' lengthy film careers both before and after their stints as the Time Lord. Hartnell came from bigger things for one. The Sinbad and Hammer Horror films were popular worldwide in several languages and The Omen was a blockbuster. The discussion was about classic series Doctors, companions and other actors who have gone onto bigger things, not gone from doing bigger stuff to Doctor Who. William Hartnell as you point out was already well-known before Doctor Who, as was Jon Pertwee, Peter Davison and Paul McGann. You could perhaps make a case for Jon Pertwee, but was Worzel Gummidge bigger than Doctor Who? It's certainly not in the same way that Karen Gillan has gone on from Doctor Who to becoming a Hollywood movie star.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 13:57:07 GMT
As for McCoy only going on to 'bigger things' (what limited scope are we talking about? The Hobbit? Pah!), well that's just shows ignorance of other 'Doctors' lengthy film careers both before and after their stints as the Time Lord. Hartnell came from bigger things for one. The Sinbad and Hammer Horror films were popular worldwide in several languages and The Omen was a blockbuster. Yes. Peter Davison came from All Creatures Great and Small, which was fairly high profile at the time. Colin Baker had The Brothers and a couple episodes of War & Peace, Pat Troughton costarred in a number of Shakespeare adaptations as well as appearing in The Adventures of Robin Hood, Bill Hartnell had The Army Game and Carry On Sergeant, etc. Which reminds me, Tom Baker has never been freakier than when he asks Kali to dance for him. I really need to watch the whole of The Golden Voyage of Sinbad one of these days. And track down a copy of Brighton Rock...
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Post by doomlord on May 10, 2017 19:45:41 GMT
Yes, I mentioned Martin Jarvis for that very reason as well as to mean his other film and TV work. As for McCoy only going on to 'bigger things' (what limited scope are we talking about? The Hobbit? Pah!), well that's just shows ignorance of other 'Doctors' lengthy film careers both before and after their stints as the Time Lord. Hartnell came from bigger things for one. The Sinbad and Hammer Horror films were popular worldwide in several languages and The Omen was a blockbuster. The discussion was about classic series Doctors, companions and other actors who have gone onto bigger things, not gone from doing bigger stuff to Doctor Who. It's certainly not in the same way that Karen Gillan has gone on from Doctor Who to becoming a Hollywood movie star. Then you obviously didn't read my post properly as I pointed out examples of both before and after stuff but I was just throwing it out there anyway as you were the one that mentioned 'bigger stuff' after DW as though to belittle other actors (from the classic series) not quite so 'successful' (in your eyes) when of course 'bigger stuff' happened to many before DW and therefore should not be discounted. Hollywood has changed a heck of a lot from their day anyway, mainly due to the world-wide-web and the ball of hype being kept firmly in the air from the makers and we, the receivers. If the www had been around back in the 1970s then Troughton in The Omen would be getting exactly the same amount of hype Karen has had with GotG. I'm not disputing her success, I'm really happy for Karen and I hope in the often vicious circles of Hollywood where a huge or popular star can be dropped in an instance, she finds plenty more work out there. But in my eyes 'Hollywood' as it is today does not necessarily mean the pinnacle of film. I was probably right about The Hobbit too.
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Post by kurumais on May 11, 2017 3:12:55 GMT
both are really fun but im going with 2 i wasnt crazy about the way gunn filmed the fight scenes in 1 especially the gamora vs nebula hand to hand fight. also i was a bit disappointed with gamora's characterization in 1. i read the whole dan abbnett and andy lanning cosmic run. gamora is a deadly tough chic and the gamora in the first moie was sort of big eyed anime girl who looked like she was going to start crying at any minute. the thing is zoe saldana could do the gamora from the comics easy. in 2 i think gamora was better and i thought the action was filmed much better.
i think the sound track for 2 is just a shade better as well.
and the john crichton cameo was great
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 11, 2017 8:35:06 GMT
i think the sound track for 2 is just a shade better as well. I think it's a shame Hooked On A Feeling wasn't in Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 2, given that it has basically become the iconic Guardians of the Galaxy song. I don't know where it would have fitted in but it would have been nice.
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Post by doomlord on May 12, 2017 16:57:08 GMT
The music in Vol.2 gave the film a 70s prog rock and disco vibe.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 12, 2017 18:00:03 GMT
The music in Vol.2 gave the film a 70s prog rock and disco vibe. I don't think the music was as strong as in Volume 1. Mr Blue Sky was probably the best song track used IMO.
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Post by escalus5 on May 12, 2017 19:07:46 GMT
i think the sound track for 2 is just a shade better as well. I think it's a shame Hooked On A Feeling wasn't in Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 2, given that it has basically become the iconic Guardians of the Galaxy song. I've always associated the song with RESERVOIR DOGS.
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