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Post by theotherjosh on Dec 2, 2017 17:38:49 GMT
Flynn has promised Special Counsel 'full cooperation' in Russia probeRetired Lt. Gen Michael Flynn has promised “full cooperation” in the special counsel’s Russia investigation and, according to a confidant, and is prepared to testify that Donald Trump directed him to make contact with the Russians, initially as a way to work together to fight ISIS in Syria. Anyone says anything about “fake news”, we can now respond with “Michael Flynn” and walk away. If candidate Trump instructed Flynn to reach out to Russia, well, it would be game over in a sane and rational universe. The ones who should be losing major sleep tonight are Mike Pence and Jared Kushner. Yeah. If there was quid pro quo, and Mueller seems prepared to demonstrate there was, that should be it. But, as you observe, that only holds true in a sane and rational universe and not the one we inhabit. Fox News has referred to Flynn as "an Obama official". When this news was breaking the headline on their website was about new revelations about the Clinton/Lynch tarmac meeting. (Remember that ginned-up controversy?) They're not going to make this easy.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Dec 3, 2017 1:28:35 GMT
Anyone says anything about “fake news”, we can now respond with “Michael Flynn” and walk away. If candidate Trump instructed Flynn to reach out to Russia, well, it would be game over in a sane and rational universe. The ones who should be losing major sleep tonight are Mike Pence and Jared Kushner. Yeah. If there was quid pro quo, and Mueller seems prepared to demonstrate there was, that should be it. But, as you observe, that only holds true in a sane and rational universe and not the one we inhabit. Fox News has referred to Flynn as "an Obama official". When this news was breaking the headline on their website was about new revelations about the Clinton/Lynch tarmac meeting. (Remember that ginned-up controversy?) They're not going to make this easy. I know. I had to shut someone down today about Obama and Flynn. "You do know that Obama fired Flynn and warned Trump not to hire him, right?" I got crickets in reply.
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Post by theotherjosh on Dec 5, 2017 13:38:34 GMT
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Post by tardybox on Dec 5, 2017 15:45:06 GMT
Um... 0_0 a) Trump having his own, private spy army is honestly terrifying, especially if their intended purpose is to counter what he sees as opposition to him in the standard intelligence agencies. b) How is the idea of a private spy even legal?
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Post by omega on Dec 5, 2017 18:17:24 GMT
Um... 0_0 a) Trump having his own, private spy army is honestly terrifying, especially if their intended purpose is to counter what he sees as opposition to him in the standard intelligence agencies. b) How is the idea of a private spy even legal? Screw the law, he's the President! But seriously, I recognise the signs and they aren't good. There's a word to describe people who enforce their opinion throughout the population. Dictator.
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Post by theotherjosh on Dec 6, 2017 16:28:18 GMT
Um... 0_0 a) Trump having his own, private spy army is honestly terrifying, especially if their intended purpose is to counter what he sees as opposition to him in the standard intelligence agencies. b) How is the idea of a private spy even legal? Screw the law, he's the President! But seriously, I recognise the signs and they aren't good. There's a word to describe people who enforce their opinion throughout the population. Dictator. I've heard it said that Trump doesn't want to govern, he wants to rule. My daughter is eleven years old and she's wanted to read The Hunger Games for a long time, but her mother has always resisted because she's a bit iffy on the whole concept of a book about children killing other children. She finally relented and we checked the book out from the local library. Because my wife is concerned I'm kind of following along with the story and reading the occasional passage. One of the things that stuck with me was how Katniss says that an important component of the Hunger Games is the ritualized humiliation of the Districts by the Capitol. "We are so much more powerful than you are that we can take your children, make them kill each other and you're going to have to suck it up because we'll destroy you if you don't." I couldn't help but think back to that passage when I read your response. A number of their decisions only make sense with the understanding that humiliation and degradation of their “enemies” is what they’re after. Crushing your enemies, seeing them driven before you and hearing the lamentations of their women isn’t part of the process; it’s the end goal. Look at the recent Jerusalem decision. It’s going to lead directly to more violence and endanger US troops in the Middle East and it was done in such a way that we derive no benefit from it. But Gosh, we sure looked tough when we did it and did you see how mad the Libs got about it?
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Post by jasonward on Dec 6, 2017 16:56:09 GMT
My blood runs cold. I'm beginning to think the unthinkable when it comes to Trump.
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Post by barnabaslives on Dec 6, 2017 21:31:37 GMT
Creating more shadow government by carrying out a neoconservative blueprint for dictatorship is all well and good (and I'm glad we have it on the table that there actually is such a thing), but if they really want to keep his presidency from being undermined, maybe the first thing they should do is close out his Twitter account so he doesn't keep undermining it?
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Dec 8, 2017 12:43:15 GMT
Trump has murdered us all.
But seriously, he doesn't want peace at all in the middle east or Israel/Palestine
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Post by jasonward on Dec 8, 2017 13:13:22 GMT
Trump has murdered us all. But seriously, he doesn't want peace at all in the middle east or Israel/Palestine I suspect its more that he's utterly clueless, which seems born out by the fact that saying Jerusalem in Isreals capital will help with the peace process, I don't think he's lying, he just a dumb clueless fool.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Dec 8, 2017 20:21:46 GMT
Trump has murdered us all. But seriously, he doesn't want peace at all in the middle east or Israel/Palestine No. It is an appeal to his base. American evangelicals are hugely pro-Israel.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Dec 9, 2017 13:54:04 GMT
Oh i know that, i was just being doomsday ie lol
But he has managed to cause some deaths with his worlds, because of the protests that have started
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Dec 9, 2017 14:05:38 GMT
Trump has murdered us all. But seriously, he doesn't want peace at all in the middle east or Israel/Palestine yeah, cause announcing the obvious is bad for liberals...even though Obama said he was going to do it, he just didn't have the go nads...My president has plenty...
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Dec 9, 2017 14:07:11 GMT
Trump has murdered us all. But seriously, he doesn't want peace at all in the middle east or Israel/Palestine I suspect its more that he's utterly clueless, which seems born out by the fact that saying Jerusalem in Isreals capital will help with the peace process, I don't think he's lying, he just a dumb clueless fool. you mean the peace process that has lasted my entire life? What a joke of a process...
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Dec 9, 2017 14:10:00 GMT
Oh i know that, i was just being doomsday ie lol But he has managed to cause some deaths with his worlds, because of the protests that have started yeah, it didn't have anything to do with the people who actually committed the killings...
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Dec 9, 2017 14:16:47 GMT
EDIT: Going off on a tangent, in my opinion this demonstrates why a Parliamentary system of government is better than an elected Presidency. Let's imagine a parallel situation where a person with no government experience, ability or rational programme became PM on a wave of popular support from party members and about half of voters but without the support of most legislators in their own party. Once in office, their unsuitability and incompetence is quickly exposed and their national popularity plummets. How long would it be before their own MPs tipped them out and chose a better leader and PM? But with an elected President, you're stuck with them. (Apologies for reminding our American friends of this under current circumstances.) Edit: Somehow my response got eaten. Paraphrasing my original reply: The gist of it was that There are remedies for the removal of an unfit president( this article examines the history and limits of impeachment), but the problem is that Trump did not arise in a vacuum. He's the product of thirty years of deliberate misinformation and willful ignorance. Congress can remove him, but they won't until it's in their best interest. It's very frustrating. just in case you ain't noticed, the swamp is being drained...ask Conyers, ask Franken, ask my crooked Senator, Bob Corker...if you ain't in Washington, workin toward the betterment of the American people, son, you ain't gonna be in Washington much longer...and only 7 more years until President Pence...
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Dec 9, 2017 14:19:53 GMT
As much as I'd love for the protests to have that effect, a lot of measures would probably be taken to prevent him seeing any of it. In practice I know it couldn't happen - the visit will take place in a helicoptered bubble of official proceedings, worlds away from normal life and he'll learn nothing except that the Queen has even more bling than he does. "So UNFAIR!" I guess your both correct on these counts, but I just keep thinking about the rise to power of the Nazi's in Germany, and I can't but keep coming to the conclusion that anything less than loud in your face protest is nothing less than collusion through inaction. I find myself in a deep quandary, my fears for the US and about Trump grow day by day, and I increasingly see his actions as extremely dangerous and destabilising, and I see his support of Nazis and White Suprematists not only morally abhorrent, but a clear and present threat to the UK national security and interests. I'm no fan of Theresa May or her government, and handling the poison chalice of Brexit is probably enough for anyone, but to add a Russian controlled racist Nazi as president of the US actively promoting his message of hate and intolerance whilst trying to divorce the UK form Europe, seems like attempting to reach for the not only impossible, but for what 2 years ago looked bizarrely improbable, I mean, which policy makers and academic thinkers thought we'd be here, or had done any preparation for it? Maybe I'm paranoid, but I don't think I am, maybe I'm being pessimistic, I hope beyond hope that I am, but I'm scared for the future of the country I live in like I have never been scared before. a racist nazi who hates Israel...I love it...where do you folks get your news and views? Cause their really out there.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Dec 9, 2017 14:26:25 GMT
Yup. Not to put too fine a point on it, but it's absolutely terrifying looking at it over here. It looks like Trump will be reshuffling his officers again and Tillerson will be out at State, replaced by Trump goon Pompeo and Tom Cotton will move into Pompeo's position as the head of the CIA. I remember about a year ago. I was talking to my wife and we agreed that Trump couldn't be allowed to win, because he would consolidate his power to erode democratic institutions to such a point that it would ensure permanent right wing hegemony. I'm trying to phrase this in such a way so as not to sound alarmist, but it sure looks like that's what he's doing. If Mueller is terminated and Trump is not removed from office because of that, I say without any hint of irony whatsoever that this will mark the beginning of the end of American democracy.Trump being elected was a decay in American democracy. He tapped into the cruel, outdated subconscious of American, playing on the worst of them in their racism, gun pride and intolerance of the different. He failed tact, diplomacy and well-reasoned argument, but that hasn't failed him because of Benghazi, emails, Crooked Hillary and lock her up! He said he could shoot someone in the street and not suffer any consequences. Sadly that's looking very much like the reality. son, you're talkin bout 59 million people...60 million people believe in Trump, and think Hillary is a criminal and that was last year...now she's still a criminal, and still wondering around aimlessly trying to figure out, how she lost...
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Dec 9, 2017 14:28:01 GMT
Trump being elected was a decay in American democracy. He tapped into the cruel, outdated subconscious of American, playing on the worst of them in their racism, gun pride and intolerance of the different. He failed tact, diplomacy and well-reasoned argument, but that hasn't failed him because of Benghazi, emails, Crooked Hillary and lock her up! He said he could shoot someone in the street and not suffer any consequences. Sadly that's looking very much like the reality. Yup. And I'll add that it's an indication of how weak democracy has become in America that I candidate as unqualified as Trump was elected. yep, undoing all the wrongs that Obama did, don't take a lot of qualifications, just some common sense.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Dec 9, 2017 14:40:41 GMT
Your President is backing a man accused of assaulting Young girls. Thats not common sense its insanity just because he wants something through government. Al Franken stepped down fromsenate, why doesnt Roy Moore step down from his race for a seat huh? answer me that
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