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Post by theotherjosh on May 10, 2017 12:27:30 GMT
I understand that discussion on US politics has proven volatile in the past, but I also think this is a topic worth discussing.
So...the termination of James Comey. Thoughts? Feelings?
I feel like this will mark the moment when everything changes for my country, one way or the other. Either the tide turns against Trump, or he shows that he's going to be able to shut down any investigation into his administration.
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Post by muckypup on May 10, 2017 12:46:29 GMT
from my point of view, trump is doing what Putin did 15 years ago in Russia.
very scary stuff.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on May 10, 2017 12:47:33 GMT
I think the tide will turn even more against Trump. I think it'll put a Rocket up the ass of the Russian Probe. The fact that Trump is trying to get rid of people going against him, shows he has plenty to hide. I think because of it, he wont last a full term.
I read that Comey thought it was a prank when he got the letter saying he was fired
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Post by acousticwolf on May 10, 2017 12:51:55 GMT
It seems like even some Republicans aren't happy with this turn of events.
Cheers
Tony
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Post by theotherjosh on May 10, 2017 13:01:09 GMT
I think the tide will turn even more against Trump. I think it'll put a Rocket up the ass of the Russian Probe. The fact that Trump is trying to get rid of people going against him, shows he has plenty to hide. I think because of it, he wont last a full term. I read that Comey thought it was a prank when he got the letter saying he was fired I saw that too. Someone online pointed out that the decision to remove Comey was probably a rational one simply because the Trump team thought it was the best option open to them. They take some heat now, and some "Principled Republicans" make noises about it, but nothing gets done and everything gets buried. Should the Democrats retake Congress in 2018 (certainly no guarantee), this will be "old news" and "settled facts". It's frightening. This is how republics end.
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Post by jasonward on May 10, 2017 13:01:23 GMT
It seems like even some Republicans aren't happy with this turn of events. Cheers Tony I suspect many Republican representatives are feeling sore after a weekend at home facing the wrath of voters about to loose out under Trumpcare and are left thinking they need to be seen to not be too soft on or cosy with Trump.
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Post by kimalysong on May 10, 2017 13:43:40 GMT
I don't trust the corrupt GOP to do anything about this. They have shown time and time again that they are more loyal to party and power than country. They are a bunch of hypocrites the lot of them. I of course hope to be proven wrong. And I hope we can vote them out in 2018 but I don't trust them to not try to steal that election. At the very least with voter suppression (ID cards) and gerrymandering. I honestly feel hopeless and depressed right now what is happening with this country. edit: And what did I tell you. Here is one of the biggest hypocrites of them all www.cnn.com/2017/05/10/politics/congress-james-comey/
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Post by mrperson on May 10, 2017 18:08:49 GMT
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Post by Audio Watchdog on May 10, 2017 18:59:15 GMT
So far Trump has fired the three people investigating ties between his campaign & transition and Russia or investigating people close to his sphere. If anything yesterday's action should finally get us a independent prosecutor. The country deserves to know the truth.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 0:03:10 GMT
I just hope it doesn't turn into a new bout of McCarthyism for you guys. That's the very last thing you need right now.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on May 11, 2017 14:37:03 GMT
Trump fatigue. I don't agree with everything Bai says but I do think his take on where we are is a interesting one.
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Post by jasonward on May 11, 2017 18:07:28 GMT
I just hope it doesn't turn into a new bout of McCarthyism for you guys. That's the very last thing you need right now. I don't see the corollary between the two, one was witch hunt based on fear and paranoia that was supported at least at first across the mainstream political spectrum, and had an enormous chilling effect across the country and political spectrum. Trump could sack a load of people, he could pervert the course of justice, but he has no way to get the political buy in that McCarthy had.
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Post by newt5996 on May 11, 2017 19:06:19 GMT
I understand that discussion on US politics has proven volatile in the past, but I also think this is a topic worth discussing. So...the termination of James Comey. Thoughts? Feelings? I feel like this will mark the moment when everything changes for my country, one way or the other. Either the tide turns against Trump, or he shows that he's going to be able to shut down any investigation into his administration. As an American, I'm conflicted. 1. Comey should have been fired when he refused to open up the Clinton email case after the second round of leaks (I also think Clinton should be prosecuted as the codes surrounding how communication works is one of the first things briefed to a Secretary of State. ) 2. Trump's timing is extremely suspicious. Just when he asked for more money to investigate him. Eh here's hoping the democrats will expel the identity politics and idiocy from their party by the next election.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 22:44:16 GMT
I just hope it doesn't turn into a new bout of McCarthyism for you guys. That's the very last thing you need right now. I don't see the corollary between the two, one was witch hunt based on fear and paranoia that was supported at least at first across the mainstream political spectrum, and had an enormous chilling effect across the country and political spectrum. Trump could sack a load of people, he could pervert the course of justice, but he has no way to get the political buy-in that McCarthy had. Not Trump himself, but someone in the government perhaps and much further down the line than a hundred days or so into office. Everyone's watching far too closely for him to try another Red Scare or even something as daft as the Lavender Scare. I was probably just thinking of It Can't Happen Here. Buzz Windrip rides in promising economic prosperity, championing traditional American values, etc. The whole thing falls apart because they can't actually deliver on their promises, even in the midst of a police state (which is where the title comes from, people assure themselves that "It can't happen here."). It's not as well-known as something like Brave New World, but it's a good book nevertheless. Interesting to read knowing it's from an era when eugenics was considered fashionable, even in places like the United States. I'm not easily spooked, mind. Personally, I was more bemused than frightened to discover the phrase "make Britain great again," in the opening pages of 1988's V for Vendetta. The termination of an FBI director made controversial due to bad timing? If they decide to fire the special prosecutor, then you've got shades of Watergate. At the moment though, there's not really much to worry about. It's early days yet. The PR team must be pulling their hair out.
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Post by newt5996 on May 12, 2017 0:07:16 GMT
I don't see the corollary between the two, one was witch hunt based on fear and paranoia that was supported at least at first across the mainstream political spectrum, and had an enormous chilling effect across the country and political spectrum. Trump could sack a load of people, he could pervert the course of justice, but he has no way to get the political buy-in that McCarthy had. Not Trump himself, but someone in the government perhaps and much further down the line than a hundred days or so into office. Everyone's watching far too closely for him to try another Red Scare or even something as daft as the Lavender Scare. I was probably just thinking of It Can't Happen Here. Buzz Windrip rides in promising economic prosperity, championing traditional American values, etc. The whole thing falls apart because they can't actually deliver on their promises, even in the midst of a police state (which is where the title comes from, people assure themselves that "It can't happen here."). It's not as well-known as something like Brave New World, but it's a good book nevertheless. Interesting to read knowing it's from an era when eugenics was considered fashionable, even in places like the United States. I'm not easily spooked, mind. Personally, I was more bemused than frightened to discover the phrase "make Britain great again," in the opening pages of 1988's V for Vendetta. The termination of an FBI director made controversial due to bad timing? If they decide to fire the special prosecutor, then you've got shades of Watergate. At the moment though, there's not really much to worry about. It's early days yet. The PR team must be pulling their hair out. 1. Actually just finished Brave New World, excellent novel and I'll have to give your suggestion a read. Love political fiction and dystopias. 2. Bad timing could be the simplest answer to what happened and I'm remaining skeptical if it is or there isn't something else that will come out.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 0:12:28 GMT
Not Trump himself, but someone in the government perhaps and much further down the line than a hundred days or so into office. Everyone's watching far too closely for him to try another Red Scare or even something as daft as the Lavender Scare. I was probably just thinking of It Can't Happen Here. Buzz Windrip rides in promising economic prosperity, championing traditional American values, etc. The whole thing falls apart because they can't actually deliver on their promises, even in the midst of a police state (which is where the title comes from, people assure themselves that "It can't happen here."). It's not as well-known as something like Brave New World, but it's a good book nevertheless. Interesting to read knowing it's from an era when eugenics was considered fashionable, even in places like the United States. I'm not easily spooked, mind. Personally, I was more bemused than frightened to discover the phrase "make Britain great again," in the opening pages of 1988's V for Vendetta. The termination of an FBI director made controversial due to bad timing? If they decide to fire the special prosecutor, then you've got shades of Watergate. At the moment though, there's not really much to worry about. It's early days yet. The PR team must be pulling their hair out. 1. Actually just finished Brave New World, excellent novel and I'll have to give your suggestion a read. Love political fiction and dystopias. 2. Bad timing could be the simplest answer to what happened and I'm remaining skeptical if it is or there isn't something else that will come out. Thanks. Mmm. I'd say given this government's track record so far, facepalming may be the most appropriate response.
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Post by omega on May 12, 2017 0:16:50 GMT
1. Actually just finished Brave New World, excellent novel and I'll have to give your suggestion a read. Love political fiction and dystopias. 2. Bad timing could be the simplest answer to what happened and I'm remaining skeptical if it is or there isn't something else that will come out. Thanks. Mmm. I'd say given this government's track record so far, facepalming may be the most appropriate response. I'd say that meme of the Star Trek three face palms isn't enough.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 1:13:22 GMT
Thanks. Mmm. I'd say given this government's track record so far, facepalming may be the most appropriate response. I'd say that meme of the Star Trek three face palms isn't enough. A modern progression of the three wise monkeys. I think what I find the most facepalm-worthy at the moment is the fact that they're not exactly sure when they fired him. To paraphrase Street Fighter:
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Post by jasonward on May 12, 2017 13:13:25 GMT
Trump "warns" Comey not to leak any information.Given that a) Comey knows one would expect better then even Trump what the consequences of a leaking information be and b) the fact this warning is made in public, I can't see how this "warning" is anything other than a threat from a fearful man, if Trump knows he and his team are innocent of wrong doing, what is it that he fears Comey could leak?
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Post by ulyssessarcher on May 12, 2017 13:54:33 GMT
I understand that discussion on US politics has proven volatile in the past, but I also think this is a topic worth discussing. So...the termination of James Comey. Thoughts? Feelings? I feel like this will mark the moment when everything changes for my country, one way or the other. Either the tide turns against Trump, or he shows that he's going to be able to shut down any investigation into his administration. The tide is already rolling in full force, but it's not anti-Trump. It's anti-establishment...Trump is just the man who was in the right place at the right time... I thought Corney should have been terminated years ago. And I sure don't know what he was thinking with the leak bout Clinton's emails right before the election. I think it could have been a man desperately trying to save his job, and help keep Clinton out of office. and if that was the case, or it was plausible, I think there should be an investigation into that. No one seems to want to talk bout the things that actually make sense. They(the democrats) are just far to determined to undermine Trump. Doesn't anyone, besides me, get ticked off that we have an election season that lasts, basically every 2 years. What I mean is, the new Congress just took over, and we are already talking bout who's running in the next election, and those in office will spend much more time politicking for reelection than actually trying to do the job which they were elected to do. Anyway, Washington is just a bigger WWE soap opera with a huge dose of Hollyweird thrown in for good measure, without the actual in ring activity. It's just a story being put on for those in control to continue to stay in control, while those of us who work for a living(which number is increasing greatly under Trump) just sit back and watch. I'm glad Trump terminated Corney, it was long overdue. As far as anyone being able to investigate Trump, there's nothing there, if there was, in today's age, you would know it. You just don't want to admit that. Now, let's get to work putting Hillary where she belongs, in prison. Yall have a good day U.S.A.
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