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Post by newt5996 on May 12, 2017 15:57:25 GMT
I understand that discussion on US politics has proven volatile in the past, but I also think this is a topic worth discussing. So...the termination of James Comey. Thoughts? Feelings? I feel like this will mark the moment when everything changes for my country, one way or the other. Either the tide turns against Trump, or he shows that he's going to be able to shut down any investigation into his administration. The tide is already rolling in full force, but it's not anti-Trump. It's anti-establishment...Trump is just the man who was in the right place at the right time... I thought Corney should have been terminated years ago. And I sure don't know what he was thinking with the leak bout Clinton's emails right before the election. I think it could have been a man desperately trying to save his job, and help keep Clinton out of office. and if that was the case, or it was plausible, I think there should be an investigation into that. No one seems to want to talk bout the things that actually make sense. They(the democrats) are just far to determined to undermine Trump. Doesn't anyone, besides me, get ticked off that we have an election season that lasts, basically every 2 years. What I mean is, the new Congress just took over, and we are already talking bout who's running in the next election, and those in office will spend much more time politicking for reelection than actually trying to do the job which they were elected to do. Anyway, Washington is just a bigger WWE soap opera with a huge dose of Hollyweird thrown in for good measure, without the actual in ring activity. It's just a story being put on for those in control to continue to stay in control, while those of us who work for a living(which number is increasing greatly under Trump) just sit back and watch. I'm glad Trump terminated Corney, it was long overdue. As far as anyone being able to investigate Trump, there's nothing there, if there was, in today's age, you would know it. You just don't want to admit that. Now, let's get to work putting Hillary where she belongs, in prison. Yall have a good day U.S.A. Sums up my feelings on the matter quite well except I'm a bit suspicious still about the timing.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on May 12, 2017 21:57:09 GMT
Yeah, to be as successful at business as he was, his timing since he announced he was running for election has been horrible. But the thing is, he just don't care, he's reached out to the working population, won the election, and angred over half the country. And he doesn't care.
Every time you think he cares, it's only cause he's playing watch my right hand, while my left one is otherwise occupied. He loves feeding the news organizations, it feeds the masses whatever they want them to hear. Finding unbiased news reporting is almost impossible now on the national side, it leans one way or the other, instead of just reporting what they know, they have a lot of supposition.
The facts: a man killed a police chief and 2 others in Ohio today, the shooter is dead, and that's all we really know, but it will be everywhere on the net by the morning, and we will make snap judgments about the shooter and his motivation. Welcome, to the brave new world, go to the store, you better be carrying a gun, otherwise, you could be the victim.
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Post by theotherjosh on May 12, 2017 22:26:52 GMT
Trump "warns" Comey not to leak any information.Given that a) Comey knows one would expect better then even Trump what the consequences of a leaking information be and b) the fact this warning is made in public, I can't see how this "warning" is anything other than a threat from a fearful man, if Trump knows he and his team are innocent of wrong doing, what is it that he fears Comey could leak? The most viscerally disturbing part about the whole thing (aside from the fact that the President of the United States fired the official in charge of the investigation into his misdeeds) is how brazen he is. He's lying, we know he's lying, he knows we know, but he doesn't care. This article lays out the time line neatly. One of these two statements has to be true. - The White House purposely concocted a false narrative — with supporting documents — to give cover to a president who wanted to fire an FBI director investigating his campaign.
- President Trump lied about the reason he fired his FBI director, and we don’t have a real answer as to why he fired the man investigating his campaign more than six years before his term ends.
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Post by shutupbanks on May 13, 2017 23:05:09 GMT
As far as anyone being able to investigate Trump, there's nothing there, if there was, in today's age, you would know it. You just don't want to admit that. Now, let's get to work putting Hillary where she belongs, in prison. Yall have a good day U.S.A.
Mr Trump and the GOP have been trying to "get" Mrs Clinton for I-don't-know-how-long and have never succeeded - do you think that there might be more chance that "there's nothing there, if there was, in today's age, you would know it. You just don't want to admit that."
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 0:31:07 GMT
Mr Trump and the GOP have been trying to "get" Mrs Clinton for I-don't-know-how-long and have never succeeded - do you think that there might be more chance that "there's nothing there, if there was, in today's age, you would know it. You just don't want to admit that."
I say this without malice, "government" and "transparency" are two words that rarely go together. Otherwise, the United States wouldn't have had the Watergate scandal and later on, the Iran-Contra affair. That latter one's particularly notable because it became illegal, state-sponsored terrorism provided by the United States against the Nicaraguan government. That's a really dark part of history, but it is a part of history. As much as Superman and Daffy Duck punching Japanese saboteurs and playing silly buggers with Nazis in World War II era cartoons. I'd say nowadays it's gotten even easier to hide these kinds of things because of digital media. Everything is both true and false. Feed enough falsehoods or even just half-truths into a population and the lie becomes accepted as the truth. We call that media currency. "No one is bankrolling the Contras," "There are WMDs in the Middle East," "The Viet Cong have gotten into the American embassy," etc.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on May 14, 2017 1:24:05 GMT
Trump "warns" Comey not to leak any information.Given that a) Comey knows one would expect better then even Trump what the consequences of a leaking information be and b) the fact this warning is made in public, I can't see how this "warning" is anything other than a threat from a fearful man, if Trump knows he and his team are innocent of wrong doing, what is it that he fears Comey could leak? Let that roll around in your head for awhile. The sitting POTUS threatened the former FBI Director via Tweet after admitting on national TV that part of the reason he was canned was due to the investigation Comey was heading up into ties between Trump & Russia. Trump is out of control & lashing out like the spoiled child he has always been. And the spineless GOP sits on its hands, heads in the sand.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on May 14, 2017 1:37:16 GMT
Mr Trump and the GOP have been trying to "get" Mrs Clinton for I-don't-know-how-long and have never succeeded - do you think that there might be more chance that "there's nothing there, if there was, in today's age, you would know it. You just don't want to admit that."
Far as I can tell, the one thing that Trump has backed off on, is the fact that he is not going after Hillary. There were as many "Hillary for Prison" signs as there were Trump/Pence signs, that I saw all over the roads during the election, and one of the things that got Trump elected was that. If he wants to let it go, he might find out that losing the popular vote and winning the electorial college is a lot harder to do a second time. especially when he angers his actual base. As we proved, we don't put up with that crap for long anymore, we've had enough of the lies that have built Washington into the greatest den of thieves ever seen on the planet. Now, do I really need to list what we actually know about Hillary? About what laws she broke, and why she should be put in prison? And prison time for treason, I don't think should even be an option. But, I'm coming to think that sometimes, prison is better than capital punishment, but that's a different thread.
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Post by shutupbanks on May 14, 2017 2:05:55 GMT
Mr Trump and the GOP have been trying to "get" Mrs Clinton for I-don't-know-how-long and have never succeeded - do you think that there might be more chance that "there's nothing there, if there was, in today's age, you would know it. You just don't want to admit that."
Far as I can tell, the one thing that Trump has backed off on, is the fact that he is not going after Hillary. There were as many "Hillary for Prison" signs as there were Trump/Pence signs, that I saw all over the roads during the election, and one of the things that got Trump elected was that. If he wants to let it go, he might find out that losing the popular vote and winning the electorial college is a lot harder to do a second time. especially when he angers his actual base. As we proved, we don't put up with that crap for long anymore, we've had enough of the lies that have built Washington into the greatest den of thieves ever seen on the planet. Now, do I really need to list what we actually know about Hillary? About what laws she broke, and why she should be put in prison? And prison time for treason, I don't think should even be an option. But, I'm coming to think that sometimes, prison is better than capital punishment, but that's a different thread. I'm finding it harder to believe after countless "inquiries" into Benghazi, emails, Whitewater, school food and whathaveyou that there is any real evidence against Mrs Clinton. From here in Australia it looks like a endless and costly witchhunt.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on May 14, 2017 3:18:30 GMT
The gap between what conservatives think they know about Mrs. Clinton and her supposed misdeeds and what the record and reality shows us is a unusually large one.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 8:09:42 GMT
The gap between what conservatives think they know about Mrs. Clinton and her supposed misdeeds and what the record and reality shows us is a unusually large one. Large depending on what you consider large to be. This large gap is actually a rather small gap in my perspective.
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Post by sherlock on May 14, 2017 10:08:41 GMT
Must say from an outsider perspective (across the Pond no less), what actual hard evidence has there been of Clinton committing an actual crime punishable by a prison sentence?
Also a sitting President just threatened someone he just fired to keep quiet as he might have taped their conversations. I mean is that just how US Presidents roll, because that sounds weirdly like a cover-up of something from where I'm sitting.
Whatever you make of Comey, the timing of this is bizarre. If Trump wanted to do it due to his actions in the election why not fire him three months ago? If he was acting on advisors, what brought on this new advice? Ocam's Razor conclusion: Something changed that meant Comey was no longer wanted.
Whether that something is a pending investigation into Trump or his campaign, we don't know yet for certain (and won't if Comey takes Trump's tweet to heart).
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Post by theotherjosh on May 14, 2017 11:56:10 GMT
Must say from an outsider perspective (across the Pond no less), what actual hard evidence has there been of Clinton committing an actual crime punishable by a prison sentence? No, there isn't. Whenever Trump needs a distraction, he mentions her name and his surrogates slither out of their holes to chant, "Lock her up!" and everyone forgets that hey, the President of the United States just fired the director of the FBI for investigating if he's the tool of a hostile foreign power.
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Post by kimalysong on May 14, 2017 11:57:41 GMT
Anyone who thinks Trump has nothing to hide is a complete fool or a liar. It looks like his top choices to take over for Comey are extremely partisan and one at least has been shouting there are no ties with Russia on Twitter surprise surprise!
Trump is trying to squatch the investigation because he does have something to hide. Otherwise why does he keep firing these people investigating him? What is he afraid of? An innocent person would be happy to show that there is nothing to hide, especially in politics when transparency is important. It is the same reason he won't show his tax returns.
This country has been taken over by a corrupt bunch of cronies.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on May 14, 2017 12:27:56 GMT
The gap between what conservatives think they know about Mrs. Clinton and her supposed misdeeds and what the record and reality shows us is a unusually large one. Large depending on what you consider large to be. This large gap is actually a rather small gap in my perspective. the question is, is there enough evidence, and can 12 or more, impartial, people be found in any state in the union, to justify the amount of money and resources it would take to prosecute. I can't see conservatives willing to spend that kind of money, when it just takes 1 to hang a jury up. Any trial would just be for show. And a huge waste of our money.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on May 14, 2017 12:42:09 GMT
Must say from an outsider perspective (across the Pond no less), what actual hard evidence has there been of Clinton committing an actual crime punishable by a prison sentence? No, there isn't. Whenever Trump needs a distraction, he mentions her name and his surrogates slither out of their holes to chant, "Lock her up!" and everyone forgets that hey, the President of the United States just fired the director of the FBI for investigating if he's the tool of a hostile foreign power. she only deleted 33000 emails and lost 13 different cell phones. Now I can see having 2 phones. One for business and one for family. And I once dropped mine into a pool of liquid asphalt. And I almost reached for it, instinctively. Glad I didn't, cause I still have my hand. How does someone lose 13 phones? She could just answer that question. I'm sure she didn't carry more than a few with her, but were the others all in a bag that should have made a right turn at Albequrcie?
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 12:55:20 GMT
Anyone who thinks Trump has nothing to hide is a complete fool or a liar. Definitely not rude and offensive, that.
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Post by theotherjosh on May 14, 2017 12:56:50 GMT
Must say from an outsider perspective (across the Pond no less), what actual hard evidence has there been of Clinton committing an actual crime punishable by a prison sentence? No, there isn't. Whenever Trump needs a distraction, he mentions her name and his surrogates slither out of their holes to chant, "Lock her up!" and everyone forgets that hey, the President of the United States just fired the director of the FBI for investigating if he's the tool of a hostile foreign power. Sometimes they mix it up and say, "But cell phones!" instead, as if that answers the question.
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Post by kimalysong on May 14, 2017 13:03:24 GMT
Anyone who thinks Trump has nothing to hide is a complete fool or a liar. Definitely not rude and offensive, that. Sorry here is this man destroying my country. I am going to call it as I see it.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 13:22:39 GMT
Definitely not rude and offensive, that. Sorry here is this man destroying my country. I am going to call it as I see it. At the offence of others who don't agree with you. That's plain bigotry, as far as I can see it.
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Post by kimalysong on May 14, 2017 13:42:08 GMT
Sorry here is this man destroying my country. I am going to call it as I see it. At the offence of others who don't agree with you. That's plain bigotry, as far as I can see it. If I am bigoted against Trump supporters than so be it. But it's kind of amusing that Trump supporters & conservatives call liberals snowflakes. This isn't a simply a difference of opinion about whether you like or dislike Doctor Who. This difference of opinion is affecting people's livelihoods.
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